The Wipeout HD Cup

[OBH]

Oh, so he is :) woops.

[UB3R~JKP]

Yo Kanar, I was wondering as a Raptor...I could make an official WipEout HD Cup Soundtrack?

Thoughts guys?

UB3R

[stin]

Go for it!:hyper

stevie:)

[kanar]

lol! you're free to go, make a thread at the command center if you need any thoughts btw. Or yeah, just talk about that here, sure.

[blackwiggle]

I'm still trying to taunt DjKyoto and 2 others that no longer seem to visit the zone in to racing in the tournament, I think I might as well talk to a brick, I'll check my PSN messages in a moment to see if he or the others have taken the bait.

[kanar]

yeah blackwiggle hope some old timers change their mind. Not like I'm a fan of unresponsive kiwis so far in that case but I'm just thinking about the competition, more aces on the track = more fun. Cos' one thing i like in this story is : jeeez we'll have a wipeout HD world Champ in the end :), all in the 1vs1 fairness

[Dark_Phantom_89]

I had a few races with TheBulletDodger7 last night and he was pretty good. Managed to keep up with me for a couple of laps on Moa Therma, Metropia and Vineta K. I could see him being a good contestant if he's interested?

[Oryx Crake]

I think I can do this, and if other people are able to also edit it and put in results that would be even better :).

@darkdrium I am quite certain your board is alot sexier ^^

[OBH]

Im really looking forward to this; with no practice comes no pressure :)
just........ keep.......... telling yourself this!.....

[Olol]

i'm having no time to practise :\
gt5, cod and a whole load of replaying old games due to my ps3 yloding on me, didn't back it up :\

still... BRING ON THE CUP! :D

[kanar]

eh eh it's coming it's coming! gah mate my first YLOD tonight, 50 mn ago exactly pfffff. Old snake ps3, first series. Weird to see this fkin yellow light. Seems like you're hearing Sony at this time, saying "fuuuuuuuuuuuu.. you morron, you bought my stuff 600€ for the release date & 4 years after my stuff dieeeeee. Welcome to the real world. The world of mass consumption. Hopefully I anticipated the YLOD a while ago, wth my 2009 series (just before the slim). Gah I hate even more than ever Sony right now.

[blackwiggle]

Yeah I just retired my 60G BC FAT PS3 last week, even though it's still got 1 years warranty left on it, for a 160G Slim mainly because it was unusable since it returned from the Sony service center in June.
The Fan was so loud that you couldn't hear dialogue in movies or games, and now since Summer is starting here soon every time the temp hit 21C I'd get a "Shutdown console Overheating warning", which was within 3 minutes of turn on.

[mikrucio]

lol nice work Sony. It was probably repaired by a numbot with zero braincells.

[mic-dk]

That sucks, Kanar! You're welcome to join my "I hate all consumer electronics with a passion" club. It would be on Facebook, except I'm not a member, because I hate that too... :p

[mikrucio]

lol i hate facebook too.. lets make a " i hate facebook" facebook page.
but first we need someone with facebook lol

[Colonel]

It's the look of disbelief on people's faces when you tell them you're not on Facebook that annnoys me. Sorry, drifting off topic, but that bloody site gets on my t*ts.

[OBH]

OLOuk???

[rdmx]

Ah what the heck, might as well join this for old times sake :)
Knowing my luck anyway, I'll probably get matched up with some ridiculous opponent >_>
If you need a bracket software, try out ALJ Tournament Maker 2.1
I'm not sure if it will support 256, but its worth a go

[kanar]

rdmx :hyper:hyper. FINALLY! ah ah, tbh I had good hopes you'll change your mind. And don't worry, lot of us are just coming out of retirement. REALLY glad you're joining, and exactly, this cup is for old times sake. We spent so many great times on this game since its release, we met so many great persons online & some of 'em, for me, even in real life...

So this event is just to thank you all for these awesome memories.

Regarding the board mate, Darkdrium designed a sexy huge board, divided into 8 parts of 32, for better viewing & updating on WZ.
Oryx came with a board in direct access wth the website challonge, so we'll have a board visual on this website too, updated by Oryx & me so far (hope challonge isn't blocked by the firewall at my job eh eh).

[xaedrek]

Yes! I want to be part of this. ;)

[kanar]

yeah! my final psn spam salvo was useful! welcome here xaedrek, really glad you're joining us!

[kat-kun]

OMG 4 slots left, this is so exciting! yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[GameKyuubi]

Sign me up.

PSN ID: GameKyuubi

[kanar]

welcome to the cup GameKyuubi! yep 4 slots left on the paper but I think we need at least 10/15 more pilots, cos' of the possible last minute withdrawals.

So as I said previously, I'm launching the registration confirmation process this sunday; so check out your psn inbox in the next few days. I'll need basic infos like your country, Fury or not Fury, timezone, fav speed class & ship & of course I'll ask you if you're still up for the cup lol.

Oh & the seeded player list is being processed atm (thanks to everyone who participated), should be up in a few days.

[OBH]

What about those of us relying on others ps3 and cant access their psn inbox? :)
Oh wait, its just me lol

4 slots left and the threads got over 20,000 views mate :) Your grand plan is almost underway!!

[kanar]

Ok guys, finally sorted out the list. Massive thanks to Leungbok, JJPAP, Blackwiggle, KGB1971, Pirahpac, SaturnReturn, Ace3 & Fyue3, DP89, OBH, Triboy, Yeldar, GS & Luna. The seeded pilots, chosen by the pilots. Good stuff. These 64 pilots will be divided 1st into groups of 8 randomly tossed, & will be randomly tossed into the 8 blocks of 32 (means 24+8 seeds in each part of the board). WARNING : the number is NOT your seeded rank. It's just for the toss.


1 Ace3cube 2 Aiirwolf 3 aka-sho
4 alteregorr 5 Amorbis 6 amplificated
7 andybob35 8 AnErare 9 Asayyeah
10 chaos80 11 Chesterknight 12 CHRIS-REDFIELD
13 Connavar 14 Constrictor4U 15 Danterich
16 Dark_Phantom_89 17 Deepmix 18 Drmannevond
19 ElHabib 20 Elois-13 21 ericd7m
22 Expitarius 23 fabimus 24 flaflasat
25 fyue3 26 Greenix 27 G-Superpilot
28 Hellfire 29 IDReaper 30 il_mago_di_doz
31 imre92 32 JJPAP 33 JPA2097 34 kanar
35 KGB1971 36 kingheim 37 kyonshi
38 Leungbok 39 Luna_bgd 40 luxoflux
41 morfeo378 42 OBH 43 ONlock
44 phaeton_PL 45 pirahpac 46 pp234
47 Rezatron 48 SaturnReturn 49 Shapealot
50 Shawnfrecle 51 Stinkleroy 52 TarotcardKiller
53 TarquinFarqhuar 54 Tug_14 55 Unctuous
56 Vartazian 57 Wellington86 58 Woopzilla
59 Wotan998 60 XBARNSTERX 61 Xtriko
62 Yeldar2097 63 Z1R0rEi 64 Zoth-Ommog

[blackwiggle]

There's only 61 listed there

[R3BU5ER]

Not that I really Mind or anything, but what is this seeded player list based on exactly?

[kanar]

Leungbok, JJPAP, Blackwiggle, KGB1971, Pirahpac, SaturnReturn, Ace3 & Fyue3, DP89, OBH, Triboy, Yeldar, GS, Luna & me based ourselves on :

-Online rankings
-Connavar Rankings
-Avalon tournaments
-Other Zone tournaments
-Common knowledge of the level playing field

Then they gave me their list, and I realised a poll of their thoughts. Here are the most quoted names. I've some kind of seeded waiting list too, in case a seed would have to withdraw before the start of the competition.

Seeded pilot groups is being sorted out atm, results will be given shortly

[R3BU5ER]

Okay that seems pretty clear.

[OBH]

Cant help but notice there's a distant lack of Japanese names in there.....

[kanar]

not sure I understood OBH, but there's only 2 japanese pilots registered in the cup, & they're both seeds (pp234 & aka-sho). We did everything we could. Everyone. I even renamed the cup as "kawai wipeout hd cup" in the end, in my psn pms lol.
Arh it's christmas, business is business maybe.

[morfeo378]

hi kanar, VENEZUELA70 , also wants to play
greetings

[OBH]

Oooooooh I got my Mr. Fix-it mate repairing my ps3 at the moment :D If you see me on later its worked!! :beer

@kanar
reach-big7 & rerealm i was mainly thinking of :)

[yeldar2097]

hn9354 and PONTA12 too ;)

[SaturnReturn]

ananta_cloudian wants to participate, but mistakenly hit report on a social group message instead of reply, so it went to my inbox instead.



I would like to participate greetings to all

[OBH]

Oh yeah, hn9354 is a badman :) Harimau HD to the bitter end! :beer

[kanar]

really guys, I/we harrassed all these japanese guys, & nothing happened. Too bad.

[OBH]

Oh i dont doubt for one second you put the effort in to recruit them my friend :beer

[kanar]

lol I know, and I'm the first sad to see only 2 japanese registered. But more important there :


WELCOME BACK OBH !!! :hyper:hyper:hyper:rock:rock:rock

(take care of your ps3, smoke => outside, like at the pub)

[OBH]

Haha, ill try :g
Still as loud as a hoover, I hope the old girl can handle it :beer

[Oryx Crake]

Good seed list I must say. and all of the ones I've raced are also very nice people (not that that really matters on the track) it'll probaly take a few ounces (or tons) of effort to make a name for oneself in this tournament :D

I'm anxious to get started to say the least. :beer

[kanar]

eh eh yeah you can be anxious, jeez this is way too much emotions for a simple videogame lol. For sure I'm going to practice a bit more this 1vs1 racing in the next few weeks, it's really a control pressure thing (nah of course it's practice first, but stress can also ruins your racing lines eh eh). Anyway that's going to be awesome fun there for sure, and yeah the most important thing is to participate, really. OOOOh btw guys, I had the confirmation today we're secretely followed by SCEE eh eh. AArh sadly no support or anything like that I think (except the online ads errr well no in fact lol, seriously why they couldn't put our teasers instead for god sake), but it just feels good to know they're lurking a bit around! STUDIO LIVERPOOL ROCKS GUYS! FOREVER!

8 SEEDED PLAYER GROUPS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE SOON (tomorrow or monday)

[Medusa]

:hyper:rock

I'm sooo excited for this guys, it's scary! Especially now that I know the list of seeded players I will definitely lose to...all you others, look out, I'm TNT (watch me explode)!! LOL
This is going to be exciting even just to follow, super cool stuff, and whoever is so fortunate as to record their matches, even more awesome. I look forward to getting my slow train whipped, and you make sure you whip it, whip it good.

[kanar]

oh you're right Medusa, the word is scary yes. I'm actually watching the seeded player list & now I've an idea of their group affectations, definitely the scariest thing ever. And there's a lot more pilots not seeded & wth the same level : OMG that's going to be crazy. From Round 1 to the end, I strongly suggest you guys to record all the races. Cos' we're about to see a fantastic show. By far the best line up ever, without the japanese sadly, & Flashback_Jack lol. One slot left Mike, coooooooommmmmmmeeeeee oooooooooonnnnnnnnnn...

[Szei]

I'm really excited to watch this. Everyone who can please post videos! =) Wish I could take that last spot, but I can only play WipEout at my uncle's and it's a 45 minute train ride to get there so it's not very practical. >.<

[Mr Phlanj]

just thought i would say that when i faced Leungbok i found out i can (and will) use my Mr Phlanj account.

hope its not too much trouble to ask to change it kanar :beer

p.s. also ill add the friends i have on ploppy1988 to MrPhlanj

[kanar]

that's ok mate, just changed it 1st post. Ok Blackwiggle ran the randomizer machine (with the setting "no more than 2 pilots of the same nationality"), and here are the seeded groups of death... Please not there will be another random toss wth the other 24 pilots in each division. No meeting between seeds at least til round 3 ;).

Makana West sidaz_________________ Makana East sidaz

Kestrel ____________________________Hawk (CCM = JJPAP)
Luna_bgd (SER) ________________________Z1r0rEi (UK)
Aiirwolf (SWE) _________________________chaos80 (SWE)
Dark_Phantom_89 (UK) __________________kingheim (FRA)
Ace3cube (FRA) ________________________OBH (UK)
Tug_14 (FRA) __________________________Kyonshi (CAN)
andybob35 (UK) ________________________TarotCardKiller (USA)
CHRIS_REDFIELD- (ITA) __________________JJPAP (DAN)
Constrictor4U (GER) _____________________Asayyeah (FRA)

Eagle _____________________________Owl
Leungbok (FRA) _________________________ericd7m (FRA)
SaturnReturn (HOL)______________________ TarquinFarqhuar (UK)
Elhabib (AUT) ___________________________Connavar (BEL)
G-Superpilot (FRA)_______________________ Danterich (AUT)
Shawnfrecle (ITA) _______________________Drmannevond (NOR)
Unctuous (USA) _________________________Fyue3 (FRA)
Hellfire (UK) _____________________________Shapealot (UK)
Stinkleroy (UK) __________________________Xtriko (POR)

Falcon (CCM= KGB) _____________________________buzzard
KGB1971 (UK) _______________________________________fabimus (NOR)
Amorbis (UK) ________________________________________Wellington 86 (UK)
IDReaper (USA)______________________________________ Luxoflux (HOL)
Expitarius (FRA) _____________________________________ONlock (NOR)
Chesterknight (FRA) __________________________________morfeo378 (SPA)
Flaflasat (ITA) _______________________________________Elois-13 (FRA)
Yeldar2097 (HOL) ____________________________________Greenix (UK)
Alteregorr (ITA) ______________________________________Imre92 (FRA)

Vulture (CCM = Kanar)________________________Merlin
kanar (FRA) _____________________________________XBARNSTERX (UK)
Aka-sho (JAP) ___________________________________AnErare (HOL)
JPA2097 (GER) ___________________________________Woopzilla (UK)
Deepmix (PR)_____________________________________ il_mago_di_doz (ITA)
Vartazian (CAN) __________________________________pirahpac (FRA)
Zoth-Ommog (FIN)________________________________ pp234 (JAP)
amplificated (AUS) ________________________________wotan998 (FRA)
Rezatron (CAN) ___________________________________phaeton_pl (POL)

[amplificated]

Oh god, seeded! :blarg

One very small thing I noticed when I saw (AUS) next to a couple of names, aren't Danterich and eLhabib Austrian (AUT)?

[kanar]

lol thanks for noticing that amplificated, yeah don't hesitate guys to help me to correct the nationalities or anything else! tbh all these groups are really scary stuff :paperbag. Awesome.

[amplificated]

lol yeah, I'm looking at the groups trying to think about which one I'd rather be in and it's really tough; they all look... really tough! :lol

[kanar]

yeah I realised just yesterday night the line up was like the first page of the online boards (minus the glitchers lol) or Connavar ones. I'm about to launch the registration confirmation process, and I REALLY HOPE everyone who registered will participate. It's definitely LEGENDARY STUFF on the paper. Crazy. Now best hopes everyone is motivated by this Matrix trip :rock

[Dark_Phantom_89]

Wow, those seeded groups are REALLY tough - I think everyone is going to have a difficult ride when they have to face off against each other. 8)

[kanar]

oh yeah you make me think about this little precision DP, here's the scheme of the boards :

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So yeah a fantastic trip to world of wipeout for everyone, and I think there's about 64 -or more- other pilots who could have been seeded too so woah you get the picture. MATRIX STUFF lol

[blackwiggle]

There are a lot of seeded pilots that newer pilots might not of heard about or have raced before, mainly because they've been "retired" for a good while.

I'm imagining a few "WTF! where did this guy come from?" sort of match reports when some of the new pilots race the old during this tournament. :)

[Dark_Phantom_89]

Just noticed that there is still a slot reserved for a Russian player. Did he ever get back to you about it Kanar?

[OBH]

Oh my days!!!! My group is UNBELIEVABLY tough!

Z1r0rEi, chaos80, kingheim, Myself, Kyonshi, TarotCardKiller, JJPAP & Asayyeah!!!????

:o:o:o:o:o

I bet JJPAP's poor little face dropped when he saw that :)

[kanar]

lool good you noticed that, let me tell you the story then. I was curious about this russian tournament organised by silversword, then I made a google search & I effectively found a russian wipeout tournament organised by silversword lol. I let him some more time to come back to us wth a winner for now. Funny story anyway.

[phaeton_pl]

I see myself in a group of death beside Rezatron? LOL Are you serious? I'm really crappy at multiplayer racing, far from top 100 :brickwall

[kanar]

I am into Rezatron board (vulture board). It's maybe even worse for you mate lol, you're in merlin division, wth pirah, wotan... I know I know it's scary. I'm not a multiplayer pilot too... BUT. 1vs1 REALLY LOOKS LIKE OFFLINE I SWEAR IT, just check the logs of the actual avalon cup or the 1vs1 thread.

OH & REMEMBER GUYS :

EASTSIDE = LEFT PART OF THE BOARD

WESTSIDE = RIGHT PART OF THE BOARD

& NO SEED OPPOSITION TIL ROUND 3

scheme of the boards :

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[KGB]

Well done Kanar and Blackwiggle for getting that sorted out, don't think I'll be making it out of the Falcon group alive ;). So is that how we are positioned on the board, I'm in the top slot and then Amorbis is in the second seeded spot?

[kanar]

Ok I just sorted this out wth blackwiggle, KGB;

seeded groups of death order is not your definitive position in the boards (we'll draw the order as soon as we'll have the definitive 192 listing. Oh & there's a list of waiting seeded player too, in case of an early seed withdrawal.

[blackwiggle]

No KGB it's not a seed rank in each group.
I just gave each of the 64 seeded pilots a number, ran a random sequence generator and that's basically how the groups ended up turning out.
Your number came up first in F group.
We had to make about 10 changes as there was a few instances of too many pilots of one country in a group.

[kanar]

I think my answer is better suited for kgb's question there mate lol (or my english understanding is def a no-go, which is possible too). Ok guys, a final explanation there, & I'm going to tweet this one.


Makana Westsidaz_________________ Makana Eastsidaz



Kestrel ____________________________Hawk (CCM = JJPAP)
Luna_bgd (SER) ________________________Z1r0rEi (UK)
Aiirwolf (SWE) _________________________chaos80 (SWE)
Dark_Phantom_89 (UK) __________________kingheim (FRA)
Ace3cube (FRA) ________________________OBH (UK)
Tug_14 (FRA) __________________________Kyonshi (CAN)
andybob35 (UK) ________________________TarotCardKiller (USA)
CHRIS_REDFIELD- (ITA) __________________JJPAP (DAN)
Constrictor4U (GER) _____________________Asayyeah (FRA)



Eagle _____________________________Owl
Leungbok (FRA) _________________________ericd7m (FRA)
SaturnReturn (HOL)______________________ TarquinFarqhuar (SCO)
Elhabib (AUT) ___________________________Connavar (BEL)
G-Superpilot (FRA)_______________________ Danterich (AUT)
Shawnfrecle (ITA) _______________________Drmannevond (NOR)
Unctuous (USA) _________________________Fyue3 (FRA)
Hellfire (UK) _____________________________Shapealot (UK)
Stinkleroy (UK) __________________________Xtriko (POR)


Falcon (CCM= KGB) _____________________________buzzard
KGB1971 (UK) _______________________________________fabimus (DEN)
Amorbis (UK) ________________________________________Wellington 86 (UK)
IDReaper (USA)______________________________________ Luxoflux (HOL)
Expitarius (FRA) _____________________________________ONlock (NOR)
Chesterknight (FRA) __________________________________morfeo378 (SPA)
Flaflasat (ITA) _______________________________________Elois-13 (FRA)
Yeldar2097 (HOL) ____________________________________Greenix (UK)
Alteregorr (ITA) ______________________________________Imre92 (FRA)


Vulture (CCM = Kanar)________________________Merlin
kanar (FRA) _____________________________________XBARNSTERX (UK)
Aka-sho (JAP) ___________________________________AnErare (HOL)
JPA2097 (GER) ___________________________________Woopzilla (UK)
Deepmix (PR)_____________________________________ il_mago_di_doz (ITA)
Vartazian (CAN) __________________________________pirahpac (FRA)
Zoth-Ommog (FIN)________________________________ pp234 (JAP)
amplificated (AUS) ________________________________wotan998 (FRA)
Rezatron (CAN) ___________________________________phaeton_pl (POL)

====> these are the seeded groups of death

and this

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is the board representation (x eight)
Order of the seeds in the seeded groups of death to be drawed soon (there's a list of waiting seeded player too, in case of an early seed withdrawal)
EASTSIDE = RIGHT PART OF THE BOARD

WESTSIDE = LEFT PART OF THE BOARD

& NO SEED OPPOSITION TIL ROUND 3

BOARD SAMPLE HEREhttp://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=2850&albumid=210&dl=1289131025&thumb=1 (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=210&pictureid=2850)

NOW HERE'S A BASIC EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN (LOL don't take that for real)

quarter-finals (fantasy stuff)

Luna Vs Leungbok
yeldar Vs JPA2097

AND ON THE OTHER SIDE

TarotCardKiller Vs ericd7m
Wotan998 Vs Luxoflux

FAQ
WTF are these seeds?

===> Leungbok, JJPAP, Blackwiggle, KGB1971, Pirahpac, SaturnReturn, Ace3 & Fyue3, DP89, OBH, Triboy, Yeldar, GS, Luna & me based ourselves on :

-Online rankings
-Connavar Rankings
-Avalon tournaments
-Other Zone tournaments
-Common knowledge of the level playing field

Then they gave me their list, and I realised a poll of their thoughts. Here are the most quoted names. I've some kind of seeded waiting list too, in case a seed would have to withdraw before the start of the competition.

WTF ARE THESE SEEDED GROUP OF DEATH?

-We launched a randomizer to sort 8 groups of 8 seeds, tweaked by nationality. Seed order in each group will be tossed later, with the definitive 192 pilot listing.


Hope I've cleared up everything there now.

[KGB]

Yeah, I didn't mean I thought I was the top seed in the group of course ;).

[Olol]

though i only 3 names atm, i hope to know more once this is done
cannot wait for this!!!

[JJPAP]

I bet JJPAP's poor little face dropped when he saw that :)

LOL, you bet it did, comrade :lol :eek
My entire head dropped off my shoulders! In fact I´m writing right now w/o a head, but it must be somewhere in the neighbourhood, I guess. I better take a walk trying to find it pretty soon, ´cause we have Nordic Sessions tonight ...
And thinking of 24 more fast madmen entering the Hawks Group in december, makes it all the more hardcore, almost surrealistic!
Wish I had to race every single one of you :)

[Jav]

Sensational line-up!

So question from me, are you put in 1 of the groups and play 1 opponent or do you play some of them / all of them?

[kanar]

hey jav, reread this one http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185492&postcount=564

then let me know if something's missing in my explanations, in short:

seeded order in their group to be sorted out, and global 192 toss to be done; you have 1 chance over 3 I think, to draw a seed first round. direct elimination like tennis mate remember gah no more battery on my laptop lool

[amplificated]

I think it would be like this:

-Group 1-
Seed 1------\___Seed 1------\
unseeded---/........................\____Seed 1
......................................... /
unseeded---\___ Seed 2------/
Seed 2------/

-Group 2-
Seed 1------\___Seed 1------\
unseeded---/........................\____Seed 1
......................................... /
unseeded---\___ Seed 2------/
Seed 2------/

And both Seed 1's would then play each other? I don't think you face anyone from the East Side if you're West side until the finals. Am I right?

[kanar]

exactly mate, & hope you guys will have a clear view with this post http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185492&postcount=564

seeded order in their group to be sorted out, and global 192 toss to be done; you have 1 chance over 3 I think, to draw a seed first round. And no possible seed opposition until round 3. direct elimination like tennis. The final huge massive board will be up real soon guys anyway.

[Jav]

Totally right.

256 players in 8 groups means 32 players in each group. 8 players are seeded in each group, and 24 are not. 1/4 chance you get a seeded, and 3/4 chance you get an unseeded player.

It also means you will only play someone from another group if you are the 'winner' of your group (the only one to come out of it alive).

Tough competition!

[amplificated]

One last thing worth clarifying that I can tell at the moment:
It's written here (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185492&postcount=564) that East Side is the left side of the board and West Side the right; but above the group listings it has West Side on the left and East Side on the right, which I think should be correct since that's the horizontal axis while facing North (as is typical..).

[OBH]

Cant believe it.
My repaired ps3 survived one day :-:paperbag

[kanar]

thx amplificated, corrected it now. OBH that's baaad news there. Tbh when you talked about the hoover sound I wasn't sure you'd keep it alive for long anyway. These old bit***s are like a first XBOX360 series RING OF DEATH = total crap.

[SuperNova]

Make that 2 open slots kanar, Forgot I was going to nepal/china/japan for 6 weeks starting December 14th.

Shame I get to miss this :(

[kanar]

woah what a nice trip there mate. Better than wipeout obviously I'm jealous. Big thanks for the update there, you're saving my time!

[mic-dk]

Those seeded groups are deadly :eek

One minor niggle, Kanar; Fabulous Fabimus is (DEN), not norwegian, but I'm sure Fabi won't mind much to be an honorary Norwegian for this cup :p

[kanar]

thx mic for noticing this, correct now. Jeeeeeez spent the night sending confirmation pms. PLEASE guys answer asap, and let me know quickly if you're on the moon or something and can't compete in December. Also, these dates (dec 20 to January 9) can be tweaked a bit in function of your status by that time (means you could maybe arrange your meeting before, if we can sort the line up in advance, or to the contrary we could give you a few more days after Jan. 9 to complete your round (in the case you'll be back in the middle of the meeting scheduled window). Ok so guys, please confirm your status asap, so we could maybe begin the party earlier eh eh.

[Mr Phlanj]

dont worry haydn you can still use my ps3.

and if by some miracle you win your group then the final will be split screen :D

[kanar]

Yeah really hope he could sort this out soon. I can send him my dead ps3 if he wants to pick some parts too lol. MrPhlanj I sent you the confirmation pm, answer it when you have time to confirm your registration.

[stin]

I can give you my confirmation today but I don`t have a fav ship just yet and working on it!

stevie:)

[Danterich]

hey kanar
i received your psn confirmation message, but an error occured whilst trying to copy the attachment: "content was deleted from server" !!!

please try to send it again or post it here, thx

[kanar]

yeah it's weird, the attachment is working half of the time, for whatever reason. I'll send it to you again over the ps3 at 12:00

[Danterich]

thanks , and one question:

Is it allowed to change ship , e.g. for rapier icaras and for phantom harimau?
(referring to the choice of fav ship)

[kanar]

of course of course, these fav settings are just a hint for your future opponent mate, but you're free to play wth whatever you want

[blackwiggle]

I've used the random selector to sort ALL 192 Unseeded pilots into 8 groups.

I'll leave it to KANAR to post the sorting as it came up.
It uses the numbers he gave everybody as they joined the tournament.
Check your name/number against the pilots list on the first page of this thread to see what group you are in.

This is ONLY what group you are in, not who you are racing against.

I'll do a separate random draw for each group to see who races who once that group has 100% confirmation.

Be patient, we want to get this right.

[kanar]

yeah there's some minor adjustments to be done, I'll do my best to sort this out tonight as I'm at work atm, but not sure cos' I've already the registration confirmation process to follow (collecting your datas=> then modifying your status first page/answering to your questions in the same time/or sending again this fkin rule pic which is corrupted 0kb half of the time/OR just hearing you'll be on the moon in December/you changed your mind cos' you're finally not interested).

A very important thing now. Once again feel free to invite people into this cup, I've already 3 withdrawals, and I'm suspecting a lot more. So it's not 4 slots left, it's probably around 10/20 left in the end. So if you could convert some skilled randoms into nice zoners this month, or just invite them to participate, THAT would be great.

[Storm_FF]

hey kanar
i received your psn confirmation message, but an error occured whilst trying to copy the attachment: "content was deleted from server" !!!

please try to send it again or post it here, thx

I've the same problem (damn ps3) :frown:

[stin]

Put my son on please, it`s huteer

stevie:)

[someguy789]

Don't have time to use my PS3 today
I'll reply to the confirmation tomorrow

[Robe-94]

Count me in
Psn id: Robe-94

[mic-dk]

I obey Mr Fett :nod

(picture was corrupt here as well)

[kanar]

I never encoutered this error. pic has been deleted from server you said guys? Really feel like I'm considered as a spammer by Sony there. Or it's just the pic maybe, but it's not the resolution or the size as when I'm sending it a second time it's working. Pfff. Anyway, I'll send you again Storm & mic the rule pic in a few minutes, when I'll turn the messaging machine on lol. A warm welcome to Robe-94 & huteer, thanks for joining this monster cup. Yeah definitely a monster one there.


Don't have time to use my PS3 today
I'll reply to the confirmation tomorrow

no worries, asap doesn't mean today anyway. I just need a real quick answer FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WITHDRAW; THIS FOR SAVING MY FKIN TIME.

[Woopzilla]

I'm missing the picture too (and probably everyone else too).

If you want to keep the picture hidden (don't want to show it in this thread) then you can maybe send a PM with the image URL to imageshack or something.

Or maybe you can make a Wipeout HD Cup social group with all the information that is invite-only (invitation after you confirm registration via PM on PSN)? Maybe it's too much work though (do all 256 contenders even have an account here?).

[amplificated]

For a change of pace, I'll just say I for one did get the picture, though I opened it very soon after Kanar sent it out...

[kanar]

no it's not a secret code, it's only the detailed rules & regulations of the cup by Saturn. It's working half of the time, then people got it on my 2nd try. Erich123 just got it after 4 tries. It was just for helping you guys to have the rules directly on your ps3.

Starting to be a bit paranoid there

though I opened it very soon after Kanar sent it out...

Seems like my attachments are considered as spam now.

This pic is natively way too much massive & can't be reduced to 800x600. Here's the .pdf LINK (thx Sat) HERE (https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B5vUkOSdapg3Y2YwM2NmNDUtOWQ2OC00Y2JiL Tg1Y2YtM2NhYWE1YWIxNWRj&hl=en&authkey=CImIiKsG) ==> your Cup Community Manager aka Raptor will send you the pic in a few weeks anyway. Or feel free to share it wth friends if you got it.

[MetaKraken]

Just wanted to give a quick heads-up for the first post; while I may be from the USA (even though it's a country initials, seeing as how Puerto Rico is a US territory), PR should also be classified as PUR (got this idea from the FIFA code for the soccer team in PR) :P.

[kanar]

awwright. Worked all afternoon on that :

http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=2859&albumid=210&dl=1289314680&thumb=1 (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=210&pictureid=2859) http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=2860&albumid=210&dl=1289315487&thumb=1 (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=210&pictureid=2860) http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=2861&albumid=210&dl=1289316120&thumb=1 (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=210&pictureid=2861) http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=2862&albumid=210&dl=1289317347&thumb=1 (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=210&pictureid=2862) http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=2863&albumid=210&dl=1289317884&thumb=1 (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=210&pictureid=2863) http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=2864&albumid=210&dl=1289319709&thumb=1 (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=210&pictureid=2864) http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=2867&albumid=210&dl=1289322606&thumb=1 (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=210&pictureid=2867) http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=2866&albumid=210&dl=1289319709&thumb=1 (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=210&pictureid=2866)

This is the board matrix. Sorry I forgot to use another color for the seeded players, just remember there won't be any seed opposition 'til round 3. (Seeded player list => HERE (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185492&postcount=564))

Your name appears if you confirmed your status before 15:00 gmt+1 today. I'll update these clouds on a daily basis if I can (contrary to the global line up code, updated 3 times a day). The numbers corresponds to people who didn't confirm yet. And a CCM is a Cup Community Manager aka Raptor, the one who follow your journey into this cup from the start until your elimination.

There's still a final draw to make, and obviously we can't do it now, with less than half of confirmed slots;
Your final position/opposition in your board. Just remember one thing, no seed opposition 'til round 3, 1/4 chance you get a seeded, and 3/4 chance you get an unseeded player.

Oh of course these ugly pics will be replaced soon by Darkdrium' gorgeous board.



CUP COMMUNITY MANAGERS aka THE RAPTORS ARE : Kanar, JJPAP, KGB, Jasmin, Blackwiggle, triboy, R3BU5ER, UB3R~JKP

[Jambo]

Confirmed my entry today, am prepared to be destroyed!

[Woopzilla]

I think Bazzman32 wants to sign up if you check the comments on Connavar's Site (http://wipeout.gamerstats.net/). Not sure what his circumstances are so that he can't post himself. :o

[kanar]

thanx for the info Woop, just sent him a pm. Ok line up status updated, I'll update the board matrix tomorrow. Up for some Black Ops now lol.

[Aeroracer]

can someone ask brmmpha, infinity or emily anderton if they want to compete..they may not know about world cup all of them are good players and might want to show off their skills in the world cup..

thx

[Darkdrium777]

Well I have submitted novide and my work. I will let the organizer present it :g

Thanks novide (And sorry JJPAP I tried doing my idea that we talked about but it didn't look good IMO in the end so I scrapped it, but thanks anyways :)) Also thanks to a friend who helped me a good deal (He's not on this forum.)

I'm still gonna work on it some more but it's near final. I just have to figure out a way to make this all work under 50KB for the main post if it's possible without it being too ugly. It just has to be functional.

[mic-dk]

My heart dropped when I saw my group, I'm pretty sure I won't survive round one. But then again, looking at all the other groups they are equally bad! Killer lineup! :eek

What does the numbers after some of the names mean?

[kanar]

oh numbers in the matrix are just people who didn't take their red pill yet (read didn't answer to my pm lol). Btw mic as Jav said a few days ago; 1/4 to pick a seeded player, 3/4 to get an unseeded. But yeah everyone looks like :mr-t in this cup lol. Darkdrium that's great news, right on schedule! Thanks for the awesome job.

[mic-dk]

Oh god, that means there'll be more of them... :D

Really looking forward to this one!

[kanar]

eh eh, & I just had a look at Darkdrium's board..... :+:+:+:+:rock:rock:hyper

OMG this is professional stuff. I'll add it here soon, but first, the fkin job lol.

[DjM1zw1z]

Will there be a WO Cup next year, im thinking of applying im not a great player. im decent and wins against some pro's, next year ill be epic :rock (hopefully)

[kanar]

uuuuurrrrgh mate. I could say "never say never" but well not for me. I felt I couldn't retire without organising a grand finale with all my friends, but I didn't realise the massive amount of work that had to be done for that lol. Darkdrium warned me, but to my mind 256 was so cool... It is. But woah this is really huge, need constant attention, coordination wth the others at the command center, endless hours spent sending pms/mail/updating stuffs... Crazy thing, and tbh the wife is hating you guys already lol. So another cup is a no go for me. And there's the fact lots of the registered pilots are on the same line as me, I mean it's their wipeout grand finale too (gt5 is coming lol). I suggest you to join us on this one mate, you won't regret it, and tbh there's all level playing fields, I'm sure you could get through round 1.

[Mr Phlanj]

my group (merlin cloud) looks badass :D

[kanar]

yeah all these parts of the board are full of uber skilled pilots. Blackwiggle just sorted out the seeded player order in their groups, I'll do my best to replace all these ugly matrix board pics with Darkdrium's board today. Should be up late in the night, but I'll do my best.

[DjM1zw1z]

I wish i could join, im rank 22 which is dodgy but rank means nothing upon skill
(quote from wizardplay)
If i can join the Cup sign me in! but im not awesome

[ProblemSolver]

... If i can join the Cup sign me in! but im not awesome
Worth to be posted in the Need a good laugh? thread. xD

[Medusa]

Heheh, please do join and don't feel bad. I'm far from being good at it, and I'm in!
@Mr.Phlanj: LOL...yes, that Merlin cloud. I'm going to need Merlin's help to win a race!

[DjM1zw1z]

yea im confused how do ya join it,

[Medusa]

I believe kanar will send you a PSN message with the rules and you'll need to confirm that you accept them.
Welcome to the zone, by the way!

[DjM1zw1z]

Thank you very much 8) But How do i know i will get it because i guess there will be other pending responces i guess, Kanar doesnt know im joining (i think)

[amplificated]

He checks this thread out a lot so if you don't get a confirmation PM via the PSN soon, send him a message to his PSN account and he should get back to you soon thereafter.

[il_mago_di_Doz]

I confirmed to partecipate in page 15...
I went out few weeks, and I see my name is still under "pending confermation"... :(
I'd love to partecipate :)

[kanar]

heeey, the fkin guys in charge of the firewall at my job blocked definitely my access to wz this morning lol. newgroups/games category GAH. Of course djm1zw1z, I'm signing you in & I'll update the whole stuff tonight anyway. Mago, just answer to the pm I sent you on the ps3, that's why you're still pending. I asked you all some basic infos & sent you the detailed rules in attachment, just answer this pm & you're definitely in.

EDIT : Ok I just made a massive update first post, finally got rid of the insane code & detailed the board matrix wth all the names of the pilots. Blue pill = not confirmed yet. Red pill = ready to fly.

And of course the beauty right here :
http://img574.imageshack.us/img574/4645/11kestreldivisionicon.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6648/kestreldivisionver1.png)http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4566/miniboardcenter1.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/507/wipeouthdcupbackgroundc.png)http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1522/21hawkdivisionicon.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2606/hawkdivisionver1p.png)
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9109/12eagledivisionicon.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7500/eagledivisionver1.png)http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7779/miniboardcenter2.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/507/wipeouthdcupbackgroundc.png)http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/1251/22owldivisionicon.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2658/owldivisionver1o.png)
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5016/13falcondivisionicon.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8184/falcondivisionver1.png)http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/668/miniboardcenter3.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/507/wipeouthdcupbackgroundc.png)http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7907/23buzzarddivisionicon.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5814/buzzarddivisionver1x.png)
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5184/14vulturedivisionicon.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3978/vulturedivisionver1.png)http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/176/miniboardcenter4.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/507/wipeouthdcupbackgroundc.png)http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8393/24merlindivisionicon.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/1130/merlindivisionver1w.png)

Just click on your part of the board, & you'll find all the seeds position. MASSIVE THANKS TO DARKDRIUM777 HERE, this is the sexiest board ever.

[Aeroracer]

fantastic board...credit to DD for a brilliant piece of work..

to all other raptors (the guys/girls who have 32 players each to help out)

I have started up a new group (eagle cloud group)

all its members have been contacted by me who belong here the other will be contacted tommorow.

http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/group.php?groupid=61

purpose is to help in organising and making world cup easier


have a look at it.

perhaps create your own group too if it helps you too organise

way I see it is when the cup starts this thread is going to be bombarded and if each group has their own page the raptor can feed all results and information to kanar just to make things a bit better.

just thought i would share...if anyone needs some ideas

many thxs

[yeldar2097]

That a VERY sexy looking board right there.

Falcon...I like it! :g

[Feisar31]

Yes, the board is excellent! 8) Great job DD (and kanar of course).

I wonder who I'll have to face off against in the Hawk group...

[Jav]

Bloody hell, you'll be lucky to get out of the Merlin group! :O :)

[MetaKraken]

Awesome, I'm one of the Vulture groups :D!

[Darkdrium777]

People have seen the big one?

http://b.imagehost.org/t/0704/WipEoutHDCupBackgroundComplete.jpg (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0704/WipEoutHDCupBackgroundComplete)

novide - background, logo (+ panda head?)
kantham - making the background compatible for me (GIMP doesn't do well with .psd files :g)
me - name fields, lines, layout, etc. :D

[Mr Phlanj]

hmm ill only be able to race my bro if HE makes it to the semi final but i wont be holding my breath for him :P

as for me, kanar should slap a "reserverd for Mr Phlanj" on the 1st place spot :g

edit: nice one dark, novide and kantham :+ it looks sic

[DjM1zw1z]

Sweet, hawk group

[stin]

Wow!, nice set up!!

Btw, my wife ordered me to play HD instead of MotorStorm!:cold, if I don`t?, she will punished me severely:cold!!!

stevie:paperbag

[JJPAP]

So great looking, DD!!! :+

[kanar]

Heey thanks for the feedback guys & gals! Yeah sorry DD777, it was 3am when I finished so I forgot to show the big One. Also I would like to thank you once again, & of course thank kantham for me too. Yeah Panda head is from novide lol, our talented official wohd cup graphic designer eh eh.
Glad you like the boards guys. Next step is to color all the names in red eh eh. Oh and Oryx_Crake (& me when I'll have time) will see what could be done regarding the future challonge board (2nd board visual at challonge.com); maybe it will be possible to add yt links to vids for eg.

Oh I forgot, would like to thank already Jasmin for taking her Raptor duty so seriously lol. As we said, communication will be the key to success so my fellow Raptors don't hesitate to motivate your troops for the cup, by any mean necessary ah ah. Jeez havn't played HD 'til my defeat against Luxo lol. Hope I'll find time for some speed lap today.

[Constrictor]

Great work! :clap

My end is nigh

[Dark_Phantom_89]

That board is AMAZING. So well designed and professional looking - massive kudos to all of you guys. :clap

I'm really looking forward to this.

[kanar]

yeah I was seriously stuned when I saw the final result (the work in progress was already badass, but now OMG). Btw guys, please report any errors in the board compositions or whatever. It was sooo late yesterday when I finished, some copy/errors gremlins are maybe still hidden there. I forgot to report Constrictor4u in his Kestrel group for eg. (fixed), I forgot to register TarquinFarqhuar (he said yes sept 26 gah) and hopefully it's fixed too. But yeah my brain has been really overclocked with the cup these past few days (OMG the drawed numbers transformed to names, took fkin ages) so I hope everything's ok now.

[Constrictor]

Hi, as I did not follow the complete rules decision process and did not find anything on why eliminator is not allowed (when both opponents have fury add-on) during the cup, is there anyone from the steering committee who is able to clarify - for me ;) ?

btw, rules are ok and no Eliminator is ok w/ me, too. Though a 1 vs.1 eliminator is quite interesting, needs good skills and tactics and is not as quake dependent as in 4+ player races.

[OBH]

Excellent stuff guys:+

Board looks brilliant.
Hopefully once this is over, we can have the big board saved with all the results somewhere on wz for all eternity :)

The big one really shows off the scale of the tournament your trying to achieve :clap

p.s
On a personal note, i like that the 1st seeded players i may come up against are kingheim then JJPAP or TCK.
Wipeout oldies ftw :beer

[Jav]

In my opinion Eliminator games completely ruin the flow of a good 1v1 session. Takes ages and it's dull, imo. :)

[Medusa]

@stin
LOL! You better listen to cool lover, she knows what she's talking about...
go go team stindah

[kanar]

To be honest constrictor, we talked a lot about that (eliminator mode), and well we chose to stay on the racing style. ZB integration created already a lot of controversy lol, although it's a fantastic mode, requiring the same amount of skills as single races. I'm not saying eliminator requires no skills, it's just about what I said above, as for the avalon cup, we decided to stay on the racing basis. But, there's still the gentleman's agreement "hidden rules". Not written, but if you're falling against someone you know well, and if you guys are both ok; you're free to customize the default settings like; you're both up to tweak the gameplay, adding some green races or eliminator? go for it. But only if you're both ok. Any other case ===> Default settings aka single race weapons on, single race weapons off, zone battle.

[kat-kun]

woah. tournament table huge.....and epic

[ProblemSolver]

Awesome set-up, awesome board. Good job! :):+

But I'm slightly irritated by the cup's name, shouldn't it read
WipEout HD Cup (capital E)?

[Constrictor]

Thx kanar! I'm able to follow ... For me it will be interesting to see if there are some skilled and openminded +eliminator pilots around in Krestel. Most (all?) of the high skilled racers are normally not present (or run away) in those races.

@Jav: You're right in terms of 'flow' when one is in classic racing mode. Dull, well, that hurts :redface: :) I might use this term with respect to ZB ... ups, a weak spot ... maybe

subthread closed :coffee

[KGB]

The board is superb, just a question though. Why have you got such a big image for the finalist part of it, can it be resized?

The Falcon group is looking a bit empty of confirmed pilots!

[slimjim]

oh dear looks like i have alot of work to put in to do well in merlin :banzai

[kanar]

I think Darkdrium let some spaces in case we would like to add stuff or something like that. And yeah hope everyone will realise soon they have to confirm their registration to definitely enter the cup. I'll make a massive reminder sunday, feel free to take your Raptor functions btw kgb, by maybe accelerating the registration rate.

[Darkdrium777]

The board is superb, just a question though. Why have you got such a big image for the finalist part of it, can it be resized?I made the whole thing so that all eight groups could feature in one image. I arbitrarily decided that the board would be 4000x2000 in resolution, with each group's board being 1000x500.
The finalists part right now is basically the center part of the huge 4000x2000 board, so it's 2000x2000.
I could make a smaller version for sure for the mini-board to link to instead of the center because it's only eight players at this point.
But when all is said and done I think people will like to show off the big board and say "Look mom, I won the whole thing!" ;)

[KGB]

Yep, I thought that was the reason ;). It's just that going from the particular groups which fit the computer screen to one that I need to move about to see didn't feel right to me. Not being picky though, it's a fantastic thing of beauty :clap.

@Kanar: I shall begin with my Raptor duties tomorrow and contact anyone that hasn't replied to you and get to make some new friends including the good Administrator himself :). I'll definitely have to make a new account for some of them though.

[SaturnReturn]

I was still unsure about this (even only 10 minutes ago) after my Avalon Cup debacle, but seeing my name on that board has swayed me (because it :rocks). I guess I'll go confirm my entry.:)

[R3BU5ER]

Yeah! Let's dance Dutchy! :) :hyper

I'll contact the unconfirmed pilots of my group tommorrow afternoon!


****'s looking awesome guuys! Big probs right there

[UB3R~JKP]

I leave for a week and bloody hell look at the updates! :D


Sorry Kanar my man, now i'll give it my best > : )

Kestrel cloud CCM in the house!

[OBH]

Im concerned about how I confirm my registration if I dont have a ps3 :? ??

Boba's sent me nothing.

[kanar]

you're confirmed right now (in a few secs mate). I'm not blocked by the firewall at work anymore, this is magic ah ah. Yay!

[stinkleroy]

Wow this is turning into one huge piece of work, congrats to everyone involved! :)

I have one gripe though....although I am very flattered to be amongst the seeded players list, I'm not sure it's right. I've barely played HD in a year and am beyond rusty, and I wasn't even that good to begin with lol. Might be better to give someone else the privellage?

Just an idea.

Anyway I will confirm myself via ps3 this weekend, and look forward to getting my ass whooped ;)

[kanar]

hey Cat, good to see you there! Well the majority of the people who took part to the poll voted for you. And fact is you were deadly at some point of the wipeout hd story lol, and you still have a month to get back in good shape for the cup. The seeded player stuff is not so important anyway, was just to not see something like yeldar vs unctuous or Luna vs XBARNSTERX well you know what I mean first round.

[stinkleroy]

Ah thanks ducky, well it's nice to know it was down to a vote, I just didn't want to give off any false pretences. Last time I played HD (300 years ago) I even had trouble beating the elite AI...I was very disturbed at this :p

But seeing as this is all for fun I'll just let it go and try my hardest to practice before the cup...wish me luck :/ ;)

[yeldar2097]

Don't be so modest Ms Stinkleroy, you were a dead cert in my (impartial I'll have you know :P) seeded list :g

[Aeroracer]

@stinkleroy

cat, if you can match or come close to your old time trial times i am still trying to come close too you will do super fine for sure..

[Cyberio]

I'm in!

[OBH]

In my Seed to definitely cat :)

Yourself, JJPAP, Zoth. Picking who i thinks fastest out of you guys was a nightmare!

[kanar]

ok just a small update on the cup. Confirmation process started last sunday, and we have 67.96 % confirmed pilots so far. I think we'll reach 75/80% in the next few days, judging by the names who haven't confirmed yet. But there will be inevitably this 10/15% (hope it won't be more) of people who changed their mind for whatever reason. We already have 3 more slots available, so if you want to join us, you're more than welcome. Once again, this cup is nothing but FUN. We're not bot pilots chaining 5 phantom PL laps each race, & practicing 10h a day. We're simply wipeout fans, and we just want to honour Studio Liverpool's masterpiece all together, a last time.

And of course this one for Marcus too. I'm sure he would have been among the first pilots to confirm his slot.

[TheGermanOne]

Please count me in if there's a free slot.

[Reezy]

I've just thought, I wonder if anyone has more than one account in this :O

[Aeroracer]

the group leaders (raptors) are suppossed to check for these as well as weirdo players who have signed up for the cup and have not even played wipeout (sounds dumb but its has already happened to kgb)
Kanar checks the group leaders so everyone gets double checked to make sure its cool..and im sure players themselves will raise any concerns they have too if something weird or strange happens during the cup.

[KGB]

Yeah I'm 100% sure we will have a few second accounts in the cup, which is a shame for people who want to play. I have found two players in the Falcon group that don't have Wipeout HD listed on their trophy list :dizzy. There might be some reason for it but I can't think what it could be.

I think I got the most reticent group of players in my group as not many have replied to my friend request/confirmation reminder. I'll try another bombardment tomorrow.

[kanar]

yeah the cup community managers are actually doing a fantastic job so far. This is the most critical part of the cup atm. Gettin rid of the hidden quitters/weirdoes is not an easy task, cos' in all these blue IDs there's probably busy people/lazzy people too, still interested by the cup. Hopefully there's still a month to register nice chaps like TheGermanOne.
256 is a huge number, hard to find a stable 1st round line up but I'm sure we can make it. We'll have a definitely stable board after round 1, 128 pilots & probably all motivated to continue the adventure.

[Medusa]

So last night, I spoke to Merlin the wizard in a dream. I asked him, "Do you have some magic spell to help me if I end up against one of the super pilots like pirhapac in the very first round?"
He said, "I'm afraid you're beyond help." (!! OHHH NOOO!) Then he said, "No, I'm only pulling your leg. What you need is the spell of Boredom: Venom. 20 laps. Weapons off. Barrel rolls off. But you must be careful not to fall asleep yourself, as this is a very potent spell. Whoever gets bored first will lose."
And so I thanked Merlin for his help, but I think I'll petition the Turbo Fairy instead, as she has been good to me in the past. ;)

[MegaGeeza22]

Im looking forward to this, il need to get sum practice in methinks...
u cant test me!!

[kanar]

lol of course I admit there's a bit of a competition thing here, along with the "most important thing is to participate stuff" lol. But tbh & as we said lots of the long timers are a bit out of practice, so the level playing field of this cup is really balanced.

Surprisingly lots of stuffs happened in just 2/3 hours, we're virtually out of slots once again (a warm welcome to narren, bazzman32 & thegermanOne), 'til the next MIA pilot hunted down by my dear Raptors lol. So don't hesitate to contact me over the psn or here if you're interested in the cup, you're sure to take part in the end.

[triboy]

So last night, I spoke to Merlin the wizard in a dream. I asked him, "Do you have some magic spell to help me if I end up against one of the super pilots like pirhapac in the very first round?"
He said, "I'm afraid you're beyond help." (!! OHHH NOOO!) Then he said, "No, I'm only pulling your leg. What you need is the spell of Boredom: Venom. 20 laps. Weapons off. Barrel rolls off. But you must be careful not to fall asleep yourself, as this is a very potent spell. Whoever gets bored first will lose."
And so I thanked Merlin for his help, but I think I'll petition the Turbo Fairy instead, as she has been good to me in the past. ;)

:lol :+

[Aeroracer]

Yeah I'm 100% sure we will have a few second accounts in the cup, I think I got the most reticent group of players in my group as not many have replied to my friend request/confirmation reminder. I'll try another bombardment tomorrow.

@KGB1971

your so right

as for suspect accounts i got 7 on my list

one is a blatent fake account who should be thrown out unless they can prove their main account is not already entered.

4 are suspect so i need another raptor or kanar to check these due to iregularities in trophey timescales

I have two fake primary accounts.these are known main accounts that are fake looking based on their trophey timescales but unless I can find their secondary less known account and it is also entered into the world cup they are fine too play in the cup.
as the only rules is you can only enter once and second ids are fine if you are not entered multiple times.

[kanar]

Kgb, Jasmin, and all the other Raptors of course, you guys are doing an excellent work so far. Tbh I'm not too worried about a possible second account registered in the cup. Because obviously we'll discover him soon enough, especially if it's a good pilot lol. This 256 pilots line up still needs to be cleaned of all the remaining ghost quitters, but we're still right on schedule for Dec. 20. I even would like to begin earlier for some pilots who have family obligations during Christmas, and give a delay to others in the other hand. So we'll have a long lasting first round for sure, from Dec. 10 (best expectations) to January 16 (last deadline). One more quitter hunted down today btw, so one slot free (and around 10 to 15 virtual ones:donut).

Oh I thought it could be good to go back once again to the basics with the rules, as I felt some of you guys had difficulties regarding certain aspects and so on. So once again, a simple explanation try there :

1vs1, direct elimination tournament based competition, best of seven rounds (detailed board redirections first post).

ALLOWED MODES :
-SINGLE RACE WEAPONS ON
-SINGLE RACE WEAPONS OFF
-ZONE BATTLE

YOU PICK 3. YOUR OPPONENT PICKS 3. RACE 7 IS ALWAYS ANULPHA PASS FWD, WEAPONS ON, RAPIER.

SUB-SETTINGS INTO THESE MODES ARE FREE (LAPS/SPEED CLASS/BR ON-OFF)

YOU MUST PICK AT LEAST 2 DIFFERENT MODES FOR YOUR 3 CHOICES (EX : 2 ZB & 1 SR WEAPONS ON)

HIDDEN RULES/GENTLEMEN AGREEMENT

=>IF BOTH PILOTS REACH A COMMON AGREEMENT :

-ELIMINATOR MODE CAN BE ADDED
-GREEN RACES CAN BE ADDED
-3 ZB OR 3 SR WEAPONS ON OR 3 SR WEAPONS OFF CAN BE SELECTED
-YOU CAN PLAY YOUR MEETING ON GT5 (JOKIN)

As soon as we drawed lots :

You establish contact with your opponent. You exchange your CUP ID CARDS. You have 72h to make your 3 choices & submit them to your opponent. You quickly set some possible dates for your meeting with your opponent. You finally play your meeting, and finally both pilots report the result to their Raptor. They're free to write a complete report here btw. There will be some kind of report thread, to be confirmed.

[Temet]

-YOU CAN PLAY YOUR MEETING ON GT5 (JOKIN)

That's a very good one :g

[Frailavi]

I'd like to register! Do I need send a PM from my PSN or is that just for confirmation?

My PSN is my forum name.

[kanar]

hey there Frailavi, I'm going to send you a pm on your psn inbox in a few min, and you'll just have to answer to my basic questions (country, fav ship & speed class, gmt+?). You'll be in the Falcon board, wth kgb1971 as manager

[Frailavi]

Thanks! Can't wait for the tournament to come around. I haven't played a WipEout game is ages, just got this recently. So I'll be practicing for 30 days straight. Hoping to make it past first round!!

[Rubix42]

Been a long time. I got this message on PSN some time ago about the cup, but I have been insanely busy in real life.

My skills have completely eroded, but if you need someone to fill a spot, I will do my best. I used to be competitive when the game first came out.

[kanar]

Rubix! glad to see you around again, after all this time; I'm registering you asap, we just need to hunt down another quitter camper, should be done quickly eh eh.

[akirapill]

I disagree with the way this is shaping up so add 1 to the free slots.

When I entered I thought it would be all the names in a hat, 2 picked out and
they play, whoever thay are. That was fair in my mind - it gave the underdog a
chance. Plus I find the seeded player list insulting, to be perfectly blunt, I'm
better than half of them.

Good luck to morfeo378 from the group I was put in, you beat me most races
anyway.

[kanar]

First, thanks for the update there Akirapill, as I prefer to read that kind of stuff now & not next month.
You find the seeded player list insulting? So you're insulting these people's choice there ; Leungbok, JJPAP, Blackwiggle, KGB1971, Pirahpac, SaturnReturn, Ace3 & Fyue3, DP89, OBH, Triboy, Yeldar, GS, Luna & me.
You find the system unfair? 3 chances over 4 to pick an unseed, 1/4 to pick a seed. You said you were better than half of the seeds anyway (Laughin my ASS loud)

I think I never raced you in 2 years, and god I spent some time online. So we obviously can't say if you're good or not, and we'll never know anyway now lol. Did you ever participate to some online tournaments organised here? (not specially from me btw). Farewell and thanks for letting Rubix42 enter the cup.

Reading that kind of feedback comforts me in my decision to end with all the organisation stuff after this cup.

[DjM1zw1z]

Merlin group is deadly got Barnsterz Pirparac Woopzilla and it goes on

[amplificated]

TBH, I'm surprised that I'm a seed over some players (I'm only online level 40 and have never competed in any online events like Avalon, Xpand, etc.), and there are a lot of signed up players who are really good and yet unseeded...

However, the seeds are just to help divide the pool and reduce the chances of really good players being eliminated in round one. If you're good enough to beat most seeds, good for you, and you could do well in the tournament - and that should probably be more important to you than being on a list generated by people you mostly don't, or barely, know.
There are definitely a decent number of unseeded players IMO that are really good and could get pretty far, and I'm sure there's a decent possibility of seeded players getting knocked out round 1 (probably just jinxed it for me right then :P).

I think quitting because you supposedly aren't in the top 64 most favourited to win is beside the point of the cup, which is just to have nice, gigantic, WOHD tournament. The people who are taking charge of the event are just trying to make things fair, and I think they're doing a fine job so far. No one is doing this for money - it's all just for fun. And bragging rights :P

[blackwiggle]

Your probably better off being a seeded pilot as it means you won't meet another seeded pilot at least until round 3

[mic-dk]

On the other hand you could face off with one of the many very good unseeded pilots in the first or second round and still get to wear your bottom as a hat. I spot at least 3 or 4 unseeded players in my group I rather wouldn't want to face in any round.

While all the seeded players are good, you're only as good as your last race and I too expect a few upsets in the first round.

Oh and it is rather amusing someone actually is insulted not to be seeded. Get over yourself and prove to the world how good you are!

[R3BU5ER]

Me Also wouldn't be surprised if some of the seeded players will be defeated in the first or second round... There are lots of unseeded players with skill, who will get people surprised I guess.

P.s Sorry fellow raptors, my real life has been busy last few weeks but I'm off for 2 days now, so I will contact the unconfirmed pilots of my merlin group TONIGHT! Peace

[kanar]

no worries R3BU5ER, we still have time. As you said guys, we'll probably see lots of surprises round 1. Amplificated, you're in the seeded player list regarding your overall wipeout HD career. As I said, we based ourselves on :

-Online rankings
-Connavar Rankings
-Avalon tournaments
-Other Zone tournaments
-Common knowledge of the level playing field

When I'm doing a search on Connavar's website with your name, I easily understand why you're seeded. When I'm doing the same search wth akirapill, I don't see someone able to beat half of the seeds, even a seed who retired last year, or an injured seed playing with one single hand or his foots. Seriously I can't understand people sometimes. Did you ever see me one single time bragging about my speed lap times?
Of course we had to make a choice, otherwise we would have around 100 seeded players.

PS : They fked my access at WZ once again at work, so see you guys later around 17h gmt+1.

[R3BU5ER]

I know Kanar, Just wanted to keep you informed :)

And you're right About the seeded player list. People can complain about it, but it has no use at all...the connavar is discutable though, many pilots haven't or couldn't ( like me) filled in any times there. And there could tactics be used against the titans. There will be surprises indeed. Let's rock wipers!

[Darkdrium777]

Plus I find the seeded player list insulting, to be perfectly blunt, I'm better than half of them.Erm okay.

I'm retired now (been so for about a year) but let me just give you what I know.

I've played against or know everyone on the seeded list but the following people:

AIIRW0LF
CHRIS-_REDFIELD
FLAFLASAT
MORFEO378
PP234

That means that everyone else on the seeded list has:
-Been playing the game for two years, including online play; or
-Been active in the community enough that I recall their names somehow.

And that's not entirely accurate even because now that I think about it real hard I recall seeing AIIRW0LF posting on the forums here and CHRIS-_REDFIELD from maybe an online race?

Also, that's not the end of it. From the players left unseeded, there are many more who have been playing for equally as long that I know for certain.

What I'm doing is putting this in perspective. You said you are better than half the seeded players (Who were chosen by a group after careful consideration.) That also means you are better than the unseeded players I know of who are also very good (In theory land anyways.)
If you are this confident in yourself, why did you back out?

It's a shame because even though it's a tournament it isn't all about winning it's also about being a part of it in some way. I can't race but I was motivated enough to make these boards you see, because this whole thing is for the whole community.

Now you will be missing out on your occasion, just because of a list that in fact doesn't really mean much because if you are the best you will win (Unless there's some bad luck.)

Too bad I guess, but I hope that now with what I told you you realize that you were not the only one who is good (probably I haven't raced you I don't think) but unseeded. Don't be insulted next time if there is another occasion.

[erich123]

Bhu Bhu,im not seeded.Come on folks,if someone thinks they are so fuc... good. Just race and kick their ass:twisted.( If you can)

[OBH]

:):+erich123
I don't know why some people take the seeded list so personally. Its just a mild indicator to try and get the groups to have a nice mix of players. I'm greatly looking forward to some potential big upsets in round 1!!

@D777
You must have raced morfeo???? He's the fast, friendly Spanish lag machine :beer

[KGB]

Personally, for me, it's hard to tell how good someone is when you have maybe raced them 5 times in two years. I can imagine a few people upset with not being seeded, the best way to answer that is show your worth on the track and prove us wrong. Time will tell if we got it right with the seeds or not.

[akirapill]

I'm not really bothered about whos on the seeded list (I wasn't expecting to be
on it anyway), it's the way it's been set up, it's like saying your all good and
the rest of you are just here to make up the numbers, yea it'll be more likely for
two big names from the list to be in the final, but do we want that? Wouldn't
we rather have random races where the is a slim chance, but still a chance
that someone we've never heard of will be in the final. Yea all the good players
are more likley to get there but the way it is now the underdog has no chance
of getting through the group stages.

Do you see what I mean?

[OBH]

No one here is to "just make up the numbers".
It would be impossible to do this without each and every one of us.

[Mr Phlanj]

no, because im going to win anyway :P

[KGB]

I do see what you mean, but every knockout competition in the world is done like this, if it's good enough for the darts it's good enough for us. :+

[blackwiggle]

We probably could of picked 100 seeded pilots if it would of suited the layout of the competition board.
I think Kanar chose the correct amount, any more than 25% of the field would of been overkill.
I'm not expecting to last very long at all in this tournament, I haven't played seriously in ages, just a few quick games now and then, I'm just in it for the fun of it.

[akirapill]

I do see what you mean, but every knockout competition in the world is done like this, if it's good enough for the darts it's good enough for us. :+

I prefare the way the FA Cup is drawn which had no seeds.

[KGB]

:P You have a point there! But it's not the way Kanar wants it and I happen to agree with him, I hope you reconsider though.

[akirapill]

And Kanar I played you the other week, and after I thanked you for the torney invite? You remember where you didn't win a single race? Laught that off.

[R3BU5ER]

I prefare the way the FA Cup is drawn which had no seeds.

Or like the soccer world cup....Italy, France and Holland in one group WTF!
But this is little different with sudden-death from the start.

Actually Akirapill, I sort of agree with you. I would also have liked to see it drawn that way, but it just isn't. And I'm totally fine with it. And I totally disagree with the way you're posting your 2 cents here. Very immature and sad. Too bad man. :paperbag

[akirapill]

Your saying I shouldn't post about the Wipeout HD Cup in the Wipeout HD Cup
thread? I'm just having a discussion about it, Kanar shows up and laughs at
me? I defend myself. Who immature? Forget it, I wont post in this thread
anymore.

Good luck to everyone anyway. Hope you all have fun.

[R3BU5ER]

No akira, that's not what I'm saying! To start your post like this is immature!


I disagree with the way this is shaping up so add 1 to the free slots. y.

So when you disagree with some of the rules you just quit? And when I say something about it you react like this; well I won't post anymore...you guys have fun blabla...I just think that's immature. Or childish..if you like. Well, if you feel better now, I'm happy. Cheers!

[Medusa]

So someboday takes the blue pill, so what guys? The rest of us can still take this tourney to where it should be, back to the good old roots of wipE'out".
LEt's bE friEnds! LEt's forgEt all this Ego garbagE, put the gamE to whErE it should bE: friEnds in spEEd!
Blah blah blah who wins onlinE blah blah...this is wipEout--it's always been a lot about luck and chance.
LEt's havE somE fun Everybody! :)

[JJPAP]

Hope you all have fun.

THANKS, my friend - We will for sure!!! :rock (That´s what it´s all about after all!)

[Jav]

I actually agree with akira, but he could've chosen his words more carefully. Rather than being so blunt you could've just said you think a system without seeded players would've been more fun and I agree with that. :)

And I'm sure you'll understand not everyone can be a seeded player, I know for a fact you're a great pilot (I raced you a few days ago I believe?). So no hard feelings man.

[akirapill]

...you guys have fun blabla...

Ok I'm posting again because that was actually sincere but doesn't sound that
way now. I'll say it again, good luck to everyone.

[kanar]

Kanar shows up and laughs at
me? I defend myself. Who immature? Forget it, I wont post in this thread
anymore.

I defended my mates, as I usually do. And Yeah I laughed at you because of that :


Plus I find the seeded player list insulting, to be perfectly blunt, I'm
better than half of them.

That was totally disrespectful regarding the guys in the list, and as DD777 pointed out, regarding the entire line up. You come from nowhere and you're saying that HERE. This behaviour totally pissed me off when I woke up this morning. Such disrespect toward people who litterally INCARNATED the game for 2 years now. You seem to have no idea of what these people are representing for the game & the community. Just keep in mind that every shortcut, every boost spot, every single good line is a little thanks to them. Did you miss the wipeout video thread or?
And last but not least. FYI, I'm playing online only when I'm drunk & high. Even if I'm respecting multiplayer 8 pilots cambodia races, I focused myself on the offline competition for a long time ago now. So tbh, I REALLY DON'T GIVE A **** about the result of the race, as it's just to share some good fun/rockets in the ass online. You want to play me fully powered? Just ask for it on the 1vs1 thread. Or ask to kgb if you can enter the UK line up for the upcoming UK/FR team meeting.

You clearly asked for an airstrike here. Seriously, who showed up first. And wtf with the FA cup? Am I a football team all by myself (or the other pilots), or did I miss something? Is wipeout about team or individual competition? Do you believe there will be a Federer/Nadal opposition first round next Wimbledon tournament? Can I ask for a wild card then? As R3BU5ER said, I you feel better now, I'm happy for you. But don't ask me if I'm happy now myself, no I'm ****ing pissed off by your behaviour because it's the kind of behaviour I have to face at my job, with the huge difference I'm paid for that. I can't tell you the entire world of wipeout story because I'm not paid for that. And I only know a little part of it, as I arrived here during the post pure, pulse era. You clearly missed way too much episodes. So I can only encourage you to do some forum search, so you could understand a little better this mysterious seeded player list/conspiracy theory you can't bear and you're able to beat anyway, at least for half of them if I recall correctly.

[Rubix42]

Picking up from my post yesterday, thanks for having room for me. I'll keep an eye out and try to check this at least once a day to make sure I don't miss when I need to play. Just tell me when and where I guess.

[OBH]

And Kanar I played you the other week, and after I thanked you for the torney invite? You remember where you didn't win a single race? Laught that off.
Is there really any need for that?

I cant see how youd expect to be seeded, or indeed care so much, if people dont know who you are......?? pretty impossible to judge a mans talents if youve never seen him play...

[akirapill]

There no need for all that Kanar man. I understand that you've put a lot of
time and effort into this and I respect you for that, so your opintion does
mean something to me. Everyones entitaled to have an opinion and I've
voiced mine. You think it's funny, big deal.

Who said anything about being football team all by themselves? I'm talking
about the way the cup is setup, the draw, I'm not sure if your deliberately
trying to make me look foolish or you missunderstood. Basically I think having
a seed list is sh*t because it almost guarantees a big name orgasmic climax,
(and I didn't think that that was what this cup was about, my mistake?) you
think it's great. You think giving EVERYONE a random chance is sh*t, I think
it's great. I wouldn't have had a list.

The problem with having a list is that it divides people and this happens. Now
I'm insulted because I think I'm better than half of them, they're insulted
because I said that. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks they're
better than half the people on it, but it's a hard thing to put together. Arsed.

And the only reason I said I wouldn't post here again was because I didn't
want the thread to get to far off track and for this to happen.

[OBH]

Much better reply mate :):+

Still think you should compete though. If your as fast as you say id love to see you up against some stiff competition!!

[akirapill]

Man, do you think they'll all be gunning for me? lol!

[SaturnReturn]

Bottom line is that the setup isn't "shaping up" in any way other than how it was set out at the beginning. The Avalon Cup was posted right at the start as an example. That tournament was billed from the start as the Wimbledon of WipEout. It had seeds. I didn't see any strong objection to that. I did, however, see strong objection to one of the biggest names going out first round. None of that is opinion or preference, it's just fact. It was plain and clear to everyone IMO, so if anyone doesn't like the format then they should simply get over it this time around and learn to look into things a little more before accepting next time around.

So let's all move on from this now.

[R3BU5ER]

Well we'll all need a new big tournament organiser after this one is finished after all, So I think we found ourselves one. But first, just shape up and kick some seeded ass in the Wipeout HD cup! ;)

[yeldar2097]

Unless you're in my group in which case be nice :)

Still trying to convince fantmusik (in case there's a free spot later on) but he's a right lazy so-and-so. Might need to bribe him with a kebab or something. Erf.

P.S. Tournament winner gets a special (shiny) prize from me, I'll post details later :g

[Aeroracer]

I think arikil should chill.if he is better than half the seeds as he claims that means in a worse case scenario he will win half of hs matches guranteed.
also i can ubderstand kanar point of view.he has bent over backwards for the last 6 weeks aranging something fantastif and at the 11h hour someone pops up whining about how this comp has been arranged.
personally i dont want a lucky did comp where it could be possible for a crap player to win.i want to see a real champion.if you even chance competition i suggest national lottery instead.
the seeds that were chosen are players from the history of wohd.for there legendary playing skills during there active period.im sure every seed will show us top level play during the comp.
I think we shoudl all help make this competition as fun as possible and stop splitting hairs and busting kanars balls..remember he does this out of lve for wohd its not a paid job

[MegaGeeza22]

I no im new here so i dont expect my opinion to hold much ground but i think the seedling is a good idea and they were picked fairly! dont fall out over them just prove that ur the top dog on wipeout! sesame seeds or not i will own u all and claim the braggin rights!:nod

[Dark_Phantom_89]

That's the spirit - top man! :+

[Darkdrium777]

@D777
You must have raced morfeo???? He's the fast, friendly Spanish lag machine :beerI don't think I did. I remember lots but sometimes details escape me so it's always possible.

[OBH]

Hes highest multiplayer level too if i remember correctly.

Could be a load of rubbish though :)

[IDReaper]

No you're right, morfeo has achieved level 101. Every now and then we bump into each other online. He has the speed for phantom but I think he prefer's rapier or flash if I'm not mistaken?

@MegaGeeza22
Go for it =D not being a seed is just fine too, worked for me in the avalon cup ;D

I have to make sure my camera is working and my playlist is huge for this, starting now xD.

[blackwiggle]

The seeded list would have some names that would be unfamiliar to people that weren't playing HD when it first came out, there are a few "Out of retirement" pilots that wouldn't have been seen online in a very long time, at least 12 months, some longer.
They were chosen as seeds for a reason, basically because the are consistently very fast.
If they are still any good after such a long absence I guess we shall find out.

The tournament is all supposed to be just a BIG FUN GG to celebrate Wipeout and how it has brought us all together to play a game we all love.

I'm not that competitive to worry about my possible progress in the tournament, or who I might end up racing once the draw is done, it really doesn't matter to me.

It shouldn't really matter to anybody who understands the spirit in what this tournament is all about.

[Aeroracer]

perfectly said ..:)

[OBH]

It's not the winning, it's not even the taking part,

It's just beating Yeldar :)

[Aeroracer]

well for me its about seeing some of these seeded french p***heads pass out during their deciding race cos they overdid the wine and special ciggarettes and managing to catch the whole event on video..

[IDReaper]

@OBH

Truth! Hopefully I'll make it far enough to get that chance. :D Just gotta be cool and look out for the ninjas that are out there.

[ONlock]

When I entered I thought it would be all the names in a hat, 2 picked out and
they play, whoever thay are. That was fair in my mind - it gave the underdog a
chance.

I understand what you mean.. If I were to arrange a cup myself and didn't know how to set things up, this would seem like a good alternative to me. It seems to me like you have jumped to a conclusion that the system is bad, without the knowledge of how competitions in general are played. That's just what it seems like to me. But then again, I way be wrong.

__________________________________________________ _______________

The problem with two names out of a hat:

To make the competition most enjoyable for the people playing and for the eager ones that follow the competition, the last thing you want is to randomly pick out the two best players in the entire competition to face each other in the first round. While it will most likely be a good show then and there, you really wanna save those extra-special races for the finals. With two names out of a hat, you can get this problem. I can't really find any positive things about this system.

Seeding system:

The way to avoid the above mentioned scenario is to seed players, simply based on their skill. While this is a superficial way of arranging a cup. It's clearly the best, and is used in most competitions in the world. It gives almost everyone an enjoyable experience, and following the progression of the competition becomes an evermore exiting affair for the viewer. A negative side of this method is probably the seeds itself, but that is if they are misunderstood. When you hear that a competition is going to have seeds, it only means that the competition is trying it's best to be fun and balanced, and not trying to create a gap between the newbies and the elite.

__________________________________________________ _______________

I won't bother going into to much detail, but that's just the basic premise of it.

And you say: "it gave the underdog a chance." A chance of what? Winning the tourney? Yes, actually. Your "two name out of a hat" system could potentially grant a very inexperienced player the title of winner of the entire tourney, if they only met low skilled opponents, and all the top players eliminated each other during the first rounds. But then you have to ask yourself: Did the winner really deserve it?

Props to kanar again for being an awesome guy, and for everything you did/do for this commuinty. You honestly couldn't have done anything better when it comes to how you handle this cup, and I mean it! Thank you.

[ProblemSolver]

... Props to kanar again for being an awesome guy, and for everything you did/do for this commuinty. You honestly couldn't have done anything better when it comes to how you handle this cup, and I mean it! Thank you.
Fully signed. I feel the passion kanar is into and this is so great. Dedication,
for me, is the only thing to wake up for. Anything else is secondary.

[R3BU5ER]

For now, none of the uncomfirmed pilots of the Merlin group have replied to my message...:( But we'll wait some more.

[QjonPL]

To make the competition most enjoyable for the people playing and for the eager ones that follow the competition, the last thing you want is to randomly pick out the two best players in the entire competition to face each other in the first round. While it will most likely be a good show then and there, you really wanna save those extra-special races for the finals. With two names out of a hat, you can get this problem. I can't really find any positive things about this system.
That's why in fighting games tournaments the Double Elimination ladder is used, but in our case it'd make whole event muuuuuchhhhhh longer, so imo it's fine as it is.

[yeldar2097]

It's not the winning, it's not even the taking part,

It's just beating Yeldar :)

Nice to to know I have you cheering me on OBH. I held a DS3 the other day, felt right awkward in my hands :blarg

[akirapill]

I understand where your comming from with the seeding system ONlock, but for
me personally, knowing which group I'd be in and knowing who I can beat in
there and who I'm more than likely to lose against just takes the fun out of it
for me, I just can't see the point of going through the motions. I know I'm not
the best and I wasn't expecting to get into the final, but I can see how I'm
going to go out before I've even started and it depresses me. I said this to
Rezatron last night, I'm de-motivated. And I know it's more about the taking
part, but it's just not fun for me. The names out of a hat system would keep
me interested, not knowing who I'm upagainst next I'd be involved in it and I'd
just except it.

[Ota]

hey guys'n gals.
just answered on the psn.
sorry, it took a while, but i had to confirm that i'm here by end of the year.
going straight to altitude training now.
b.t.w. thanks for all the fuzz.
this is going to be fun. :nod

[kanar]

no worries there Ota, we're still at 1 month of the start. KGB I affected under_the_mayo on your board (confirmed). Thanks for your kind words guys btw.

[akirapill]

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[JJPAP]

Maybe I should shut just my mouth, but Akiparill why act (in this thread) - when you´ve already decided not to participate in the WOHDC (and I´m honestly sorry for that!) - like the strange man entering every single chapter of Kiezlowski´s Decalog without any reasonable purpose?
I´m pretty sure you´ll meet a lot of "Seeded" (and extremely good and uberfast "Un-Seeded" pilots) if you go online in the evening around 21-22 GMT or later. Mostly pretty relaxed people, who doesn´t bother too much if they loose a race or ten.
Personally: Just send a Friend´s Request through PSN and we can practice when ever I (and you) have the time: Mostly monday and friday mornings, tuesday around noon - even sometimes in the evening, when the kids are sleeping quitely and the missus don´t overrule my need to occupy the telly.
But don´t forget to invite the "Un-Seeded" pilots for your practicing as well! After all: We´re All ("Seeded" or "Un-Seeded") Friends in Speed!

Aki, you could even do a new "Invitational Thread", ´cause this thread is all about the Grand Fiesta of gathering as much wipers, interested in ... Well, having a party - because of their dedication to WipEout.

[KGB]

Just looking at the seeds and hacenetchik wasn't made one ( I did vote for you mate :P) Watch out he's super fast. Glad I won't be racing him.

[Darkdrium777]

I just had a thought that the seeded players should ignore your request akirapill but maybe I'm too much of an asshole.
They can decide on their own based on what you said about them after all.

Now I'm gonna be a bit more friendly and if you want to play with people in the 1v1 environment of the cup (but without the cup part) there's this thread (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7691).

[SaturnReturn]

hacenetchik was one of my seeds as well. There are some others not on there that I had chosen too. QjonPL and Jav are two others that spring to mind, lus loads more I couldn't have due to my initial list of over 100 seed choices :eek But it was a fairly robust system, so if our choices didn't end up as seeds then I guess we just have to assume we know better than the others. :P

I'm looking at the seedings and marlin buzzard divisions look like the toughest from where I'm sitting. Possibly with buzzards being the very toughest. Luxo, Wellington, Greenix, Elois are all ridiculously fast. Then the other four - fabimus, imre, onlocke, morfeo - are also very fast, but additionally killer online players, That is some scary stuff.:cold

I think it's fun to look at the chart and see who you might face, and to cheer on their opposition along the way. ;)

[Aeroracer]

just occured to me what this seeded problem is..
what they should of done is an unseeded list of 64 players.they probally would of but couldnt find enough rubbish players to put on it.problem with wipeout is nearly everyone is fantastic at playing.chances are that those who are not will be as they really only have to be good on there 3 tracks and the default one to beat their opponent.
in theory if you were good enough you could say to your opponent "hey look we will just assume you won all your races so lets just do mine and then win the default race.shame i would never be in a position to do so but im sure there are a few who could comfortably do this.

[Oryx Crake]

woah! difficult cloud >.<! this is gonna be hard! back to training so as not to embarrass myself :rock... too much:paperbag

Oh man I'm in the buzzard group! hope I dont humiliate myself too much...

[FunkyMunkyy]

Am looking forward to this :) been trying to get a bit of practice in the evenings, just hoping to get through the first round tbh! Raced a few crazy-fast people already :/. And awesome job setting this up, looks like a lot of effort! :) Cheers.

[DaMiGi63]

I'm back again. Had one heck of a time getting into my e-mail account to get my username & password combo, but I'm here nonetheless.. hehehe

[mic-dk]

Oh man I'm in the buzzard group! hope I dont humiliate myself too much...

You and me both, Oryx... :eek :lol

[stin]

Guys and Gals, if you are reading this?

I just don`t care if I`m playing on against any seeded or not seeded players, that is the question!!!!

As long I beat whoever I`m playing against after first round!, I`m happy! :bat

Just keep it going mad kanar!:clap

stevie:g

[JFthebestJan]

hey kanar, 2 things:
1.DrMannevond is listed in 2 different groups (owl + falcon)
2.im not listed in any group, although i send u a confirmation via PSN on 7th november, i want definitively to participate.

[kanar]

lol, big thx for pointing out this obvious copy/paste mistake, correcting that in a few minutes

EDIT : Found it, you're in Falcon group, messed up with the numbers & the excel file.

[JFthebestJan]

thx 4 editing, now i got my id card from jjpap too :)

[OBH]

Great to see more new names showing their excitement :):+

[slow-train]

thx 4 editing, now i got my id card from jjpap too :)

how cool is that id card! luvly jubbly