The Wipeout HD Cup

[kanar]

ah ah of course you're not of that kind, as you quickly realised I was legit. As I said I'm spending more time than I should on this crazy project, so this little incident made me over-react myself too. Hopefully we're cool now, and yeah wipeoutZone is definitely the place of the good guys.

[SenGoku81]

Hopefully we're cool now, and yeah wipeoutZone is definitely the place of the good guys.

Mate, no worries. You've nothing to be sorry for. You wern't the one being a a smeg head ^^

[kanar]

a very special thank to SpaceboyG for joining, as I said you by pm mate, really good to see the old guard mobilized on this one. This event is what I dreamed of, wanted to reunite the entire zone & "the crazy acrobats of wipeoutArena" at least one time in the wipeout history. During a week-end of tournament there's always guys away, busy with their real life. With this format, everyone can be involved, as the competition is based on 1vs1 confrontations, with a large delay to play your meeting. And contrary to our previous phantom-only events, this time you're choosing your own settings (well except the eliminator mode lol). Arrrh. Such a great story so far. And can't wait for the massive playstation Home party early december, when we'll reveal the boards after drawing the lots.

Oh btw Dardrium, I thought about the names of the different parts of the huge board : what about Makana West & East, with Northwest & southwest parts (4x64)

[blackwiggle]

You are going to need 8 boards/Groups A to H with 32 pilots in each, 8 seeded pilots in each group.

[Challenger #001]

I was actually thinking of splitting the boards into leagues based on predatory avians. Given that the moderators are all 'Raptors', it made sense to have:

Eagle League
Falcon League
Kestral League
Hawk League
Merlin League
Owl League
Vulture League
Buzzard League

And then the Raptors could refer to their groups by the birds. So for example, Jasmin could open a thread to all 'Merlins'.

[mic-dk]

Who do I bribe so I don't draw Leungbok in the first round again? Come to think of it it'll probably be too expensive, since I have to "insure" me against pretty much everyone...

But seriously, BW, are you for sale...? We won't let anybody know!

[kanar]

eh eh mic, hope you'll get a better pick this time yes!
Oh yeah you're right guys btw, Blackwiggle, Challenger, what you said makes sense to me now. Ok 8 little parts of boards, just like on the avalon cup, but X8, ok. then the bird names on them. But regarding the managers taking care of each part of the boards, maybe you'll get some difficulties with your friendlists no? Hope you'll have enough slots left.
Oh challenger, I just saw your point about the threads for each part of the board; mm maybe Sat or Rob could gave us some advices regarding the way to go to the arena section. As there's already some competitions on it, I can't see 8 new more threads realated to this cup. Or 4. Arh this stuff is really huge lol.

[billychanxtr33m]

after the first group of elites are seeded, i think it would be wise to bracket pilots by region. this would keep language and time zones from being an issue in the first few rounds.

[kanar]

mmm I see your point there billy, but I think we can deal with these timezone issues, as we have 3 weeks to set our meetings. I like to see this cup as an international, mixed one, just like the online servers.

[yeldar2097]

What's the seeding system going to be based on? Conna's site or general consensus? Or a bit of both?

[Challenger #001]

Re: Billy's idea of nation-specific zones, why not make one bird group Roosters, so all French pilots can go in there?

[SaturnReturn]

If it weren't for the fact that there are so few Dutch players (and they will, I expect, largely be seeded) then I'd personally be very against the grouping by country idea. So while it's not a personal thing, I think it's not much fun to only race fellow countrymen in the first few rounds. Not just because of the patriotism aspect, but also because, for some, it could mean knocking out their closest friends in every round up to about the quarter finals or something. Perhaps it's unlikely with the seedings and all, but I still think it would be more fun to generally distribute people randomly, if it can be done practically. What's the point in an international event if we don't get to race and make friends with people from around the world? That wouldn't happen for people making an early exit from a nation-specific section.

[kanar]

Billy came with a valid point with some kind of confederation system then the best of the different regions will come up for the quarter finals, that kind of thing. But I think we should stay on a tennis-format like, with a random, mixed board. And to answer your question Yeldar, seeded players list will be based on Connavar site and the online boards, and our common judgement at the command center. I don't want to do that alone lol. Blackwiggle system, as far as I understood, will permit to put 8 seed into each group of 32 pilots. Should be pretty good. And with the bird names it will be funny lol.

[SaturnReturn]

I think the bird suggestion is really cool too.

[Aeroracer]

no federations or zones or countrys or any crap to complicate things.

like Kanar says wimbeldon style and dedicated to markus..

if i have to play a austrailian player i will make the effort to play them and not use the time zone to mess around.

as for languages you got babelfish.if they can sign up for this competition they obviously have some understanding and communication should not really be an issue.

keep it 100% random with seeded players and unseeded players.Using wipeout time site to see who is seeded.

[yeldar2097]

If it weren't for the fact that there are so few Dutch players (and they will, I expect, largely be seeded)

TFD pwnage

[OBH]

I like the seeding idea, but please, please dont sort anything by nation. Somehow it just doesnt seem fair to do so for what is an individual's tournament.

If people that concerned about concerned about time problems in the early rounds, then by continent at least.... though that does narrow most people down who arent european..

[blackwiggle]

Just leave it how the draw falls, no sorting by country.
It's only 7 races after all, it's not going to take a lot of time to actually race.
And when it's all said and done 80%- 90% of people are most likely going to be based in Europe anyway.

As soon as you have you list of seeded pilots just number them 1 to 64 and I'll get the randomizer to sort them into 8 groups of 8.
We can do that early on if you wish since the names would be pretty much known by all already, it's up to you.
It could cause some added excitement for all unseeded pilots wondering [ or Dreading ] which group they will get drawn in and who they could possibly be racing against.

Then, when we have 256 total, just give every unseeded pilot a number from 1 to 192 and I'll run it with those to give 8 groups of 24.

I then add the seeded & unseeded back together again into 8 groups of 32.

So it would look like so.
Kestrel group 8 Seed 24 Unseed
Duck group 8 Seed 24 Unseed
Chook group 8 Seed 24 Unseed
etc

Then I run it again for each group of 32 to see who races who.
Or, since most of the sorting has been done already you could do 8 final group draws at the WIPEOUT HOME MUSEUM for added tension to see who races who first up.
But bare in mind that's still 256 names to be written down, drawn and be called out, not a job I would envy to be honest.
You could just give each pilot a number 1-32 in each group[ let them know in advance what their number is ] and use the randomizer to draw 16 X 2 to see who races who, then just call out the numbers .
So you could do it over two days, drawn into groups then number each pilot in that group on the 18th, final group draw on 19th.

By the way.
I've got the first new reply/entry from the Aus/NZ Playstation forum thread I put up yesterday, so could you please add.
PSN ID KILLER_KID

[kanar]

Ok, there's 2 things I don't understand these past few days; bb code thingy and your drawing lots system blackwiggle. BUT don't take me wrong, I'm finding it awesome, even if my brain can't follow your explanations .

15mn later ^^ Ok ok I got it. I like this, let's go this way :

As soon as you have your list of seeded pilots just number them 1 to 64 and I'll get the randomizer to sort them into 8 groups of 8.
Then, when we have 256 total, just give every unseeded pilot a number from 1 to 192 and I'll run it with those to give 8 groups of 24.
I then add the seeded & unseeded back together again into 8 groups of 32.
So it would look like so.
Kestrel group 8 Seed 24 Unseed
etc
Then I run it again for each group of 32 to see who races who.

And oh you're right, drawing the final seeded player lots live at the museum would take ages : better thing to do is to come at the museum with the final draw, and then the cup managers who attended to the party will announce the final boards (divided into 8 blocks of 32).
I should have more time next week, so the 64 seeded player list could be up in a few days. But as I told you, Elois doesn't have the internet atm, but could join us before the registration deadline, and there's still pending responses sent to some famous names.

[brainbeat]

hi count me in, cant remember if i have said yes already here lol.