What are we talking about here? People using lips to BR or the new found speed cheat, it's widespread online already? please tell me not :frown:.
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What are we talking about here? People using lips to BR or the new found speed cheat, it's widespread online already? please tell me not :frown:.
I can't speak for texasalex, but I can speak for slow-train, and what I'll say for his defence ( if it is him that blackwiggle is accusing of usin this glitch) I've met slow-train in person. We've spoke about our love of this game, about all aspects of it. From lag to cheats, and I'll stake both my balls to back up his credibility as a HD purist. Slow-train is not a cheat!!!
Please mate, stop mentioning "using lips to BR", or other people will also declare that as unfair ! loooooooool.Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB1971
Mmmm lips are sexy ^_^
Not sure why the future of the WOHD Cup should be in any doubt, I'd say the vast majority of races are held at Phantom (bits of Rapier here and there) and the technique involved to gain the extra speed is almost impossible at these speeds. Sure, you could practice it, but you'd have to be better than everyone else in the world in order to pull it off anyways. In other words, you wouldn't need it ;)
From the very beginning I've thought all races should be held at Phantom speeds anyway, but that's just me being elitist I guess.
tbh guys I still had no time to try this stuff myself, but from what I understand it's affecting a LOT slower speed classes. I think more & more we should release the infos about this stuff, in order to avoid conflicts between nice fellow pilots. I really still don't know what to think about that atm, as it's somewhat similar to Jaytech. And I still don't know what could be the impact of this stuff on the phantom boards, can it be useful? argh on some straight lines? EDIT : THANKS YELDAR FOR THE UPDATE, HOPEFULLY PHANTOM IS SAFE THEN LOL Maybe we shouldn't allow venom & flash speed classes after round 1, in the cup.
Also, I'm really doubting about you Djm; I had a talk with long timer Chaos80, wipeout pilot since ages... He really felt something weird when racing you, especially on ubermal venom.
So what are my conclusions there. This stuff is about to definitely ruin wipeout hd, sooner or later, so let's just widespread this "discovery". My opinion this morning lol.
The lip thing isn't cheating, that's been around long before HD hasn't it? I'll make a stand for Slow-Train as well, In all the time I've been playing him I've never thought of him as a cheat, just fast. As for Texasalex, his vids prove that he is just very, very good.
This, I'm afraid is what is going to happen. Everyone paranoid that everyone else is using this glitch. GAME OVER I think.
GAME OVER for venom & flash kgb, maybe a bit Rapier class too, but this trick at phantom is hardly useful.
Well this is just going to bring up mass paranoia whenever somebody chooses a lower speed class in the cup now. FFS :brickwall
Only 3/4 knackered then ;). Maybe I'm over reacting and getting on my moral high horse, but speed lap, Time trial and online at those speeds all seem to of been compromised beyond repair.
It's just a great shame for everyone. Just as well I like Phantom.
Some of the TT/SL scores at lower classes are lost forever, yes, but there's certainly a few that a beatable. I'm by no means a specialist at the sub-phantom classes and I reckon I could have a few. Get Texas, barny, shape, phaeton etc... on the case and we'll have the top spots cleared in no time. Don't give up hope (cheers Cat :)).
Let's be honest, there's some pretty fubar phantom scores as well, some of them completely random *ahem*SaturnReturnUbermallReverseTT*ahem*. What? :lol
Keep calm and WipE on :+
I guess if someone admits it and gets a hard time from people then no-one else is going to admit it and paranoia will reign, like never before.
I suggest an amnesty, i.e. a thread where people can own up to use of a glitch, can promise never to use it again, and no-one will say anything bad about it.
As for me, well I mainly race at Phantom, but can't deny these things cross my mind when a lead suddenly disappears, and when I suddenly see brand new players beating everyone. I had good faith before. These things were brought up with me ages ago, but I didn't want to start accusing people without any proof, so I suggested that, if it couldn't be discussed neutrally then best not to start something at all. It's come out eventually and I hope word hasn't spread too far.
@DjM1zw1z - Like I said, I don't see anyone trusting your times now. However, you can help us all out, and perhaps go some way to gaining some appreciation from folks. Firstly, you can let us (or me, or someone you trust) know how many others you know of who used this glitch, as well as the source of it. This way we can get a better idea whether it's anything to worry about. If you know people who use it then I would actively discourage them to use it and encourage them to own up to it. I'll start a thread where they can do so and will 'lay the smackdown' as it were, on anyone who gives them grief.
This is really all I can think of to help the situation. Show of hands from anyone who supports this approach?
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Stop making me feel bad.:mad: But seriously, if anyone ever has any suggestions on how that might have happened then let me know on my profile or something. It's always baffled me.:blargQuote:
Originally Posted by yeldar2097
At least tell me that Yeldar is using this glitch in all classes from the begining ! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by KGB1971
i think its also important that we get some surefire ways of telling whos glitching so we don't start having a go at anyone and everyone and getting all paranoid. im sure it isnt as bad as being made out to be is it? IS IT?!?!? :lol
bit like this but a how to tell who's glitching version :D
http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php
@ Leungbok. I always thought there was something fishy going on there :)
If we were to see a video of this glitch in operation would it give away how you do it?
its a shame this has happened,i race ven n flash daily against sinus1,texasalex,tarquin and many more great lower class pilots! now it will never be the same again!Quote:
Originally Posted by kanar
so i'll just have to do what rezatron suggested to me last week, to take of my training wheels and come and race phantom with the big boys lol
Haha, that's ace. This is a page linked from that site, made me laugh lots http://divisibleby0.com/murder/Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutcase:259
Bravo Nut, bravo. :rock :clap :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Nutcase:259
Yes, it's properly blatant. It would also show you why it would be nigh on impossible at high speeds. That and you can only really use it on straight sections of track.Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB1971
Actually I shouldn't really be giving clues should I? Shut up yeldar, keep it to yourself so you can reign supreme!!
-_- :lol
Afaik this glitch/bug/whatever was discovered completely by accident and only used by those who discovered it themselves (2 or 3 people tops). I'd like to think there wasn't some sort of glitch-sharing group who all kept quiet about it and kept their records subtle. Pretty sure most players wouldn't even think of that.
Maybe I should be worried that I did...? :P
i´m trying to record all my matches at the cup and upload them to my youtube account.
i think this is a good preservation of getting blamed as a glitcher.
but this can´t be the final solution to this problem. has anyone tryed to contact the guys at studio liverpool?
i don´t know how the glitch works but there must be a way to patch it away. (without any change to the handling of course!)
We already tried to contact SL a year ago about giant shortcut's glitches, with videos to show them ! But still no answer :(
Gah no I think SL won't help there sadly. Too late, too many stuffs happened (SL dismantlement...), but I believe Yeldar's opinion there. Maybe it's not as bad as it looked first. As you said Texasalex, let's just try to record our races in the cup (especially the rounds in venom/flash on the tracks with long straight lines).
I don't want to forbid the slower classes on the cup just for that.
Maybe it's a test from SL to see how much we really love this game.
Let's keep playing and show them that we need another title!
Other than that, I'm going to try to fix some of the records right now (with video of course ;) )
I dont think its game over for the lower speed classes... i always play a mixture of all 4. you do get the occasional person who goes up the lip of the side barrier to get air but its easy to spot these because they come flying over your head from nowere...
The only time i fumed at someone cheating was on Sebenco climb reverse on phantom class, I just over took this person on the straight because he hit a bomb in the tunnel, i was 2nd and really happy! (i usually come 5th or below at this speed) i thought i finished 2nd when i finished but when the results came up i was third... i didnt see him pass me! so i think a big phat shortcut was used as there was only a few tight corners left..
I dont think its ruined the game because these people are easily spotted and 95% of the time races are legit. its the cheats who play offline that spoil the leaderboards.
that's called lag ! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MegaGeeza22
It could of been lag but i left them at the tunnel and they were nowere to be seen..
usually lag is when your neck and neck and your nose crosses the line 1st but you come 2nd!!
There can be huge amounts of lag. I can remeber one race in particular where, during the race I was around 13 seconds behind ericd7m, but at the end of the race the game showed me as having beaten him by around 0.3 seconds :P
What, like an Alcoholics Anonymous thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaturnReturn
"Hello everyone, my name's Bob and I... cheat at WipEout."
"Hi Bob."
Anti-tripe
Blimey... great video! i couldn't see any glitching, i wish i could race like that...
Alan partridge - Legend
Well kind of I guess. What's the other option? Everyone just gets all paranoid and suspicious of each other? It's happening already. I doubt many people would own up to it but if it carries on and becomes a real problem for folks then maybe it's worth a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Challenger #001
Or I guess maybe humour is an option.
To the tune of a well known Katy Perry song:
I used a glitch and I liked it,
won-der if others mind it,
They're hun-tin' this witch,
I should hide it,
Just hope that no-one else finds it.
It might be wrong,
but it's a feeling I like,
I'm top of the lea-der boards to-night.
I don't think any of the regular players and posters on here should be mistrusted. In fact I believe every single regular on here is honest. It's the people who are less known and don't post on here that often that would be seen as suspicious when they leave a good player far behind, but really, I don't think that would happen at all. Frankly it's the regular posters on here that are considered world class.
Pahahahahaha :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SaturnReturn
I love it!
This was never the way I planned
Not my intention
I lost my head, indeed I went
It's better not to mention
It's not what, I'm used to
Just need more speed I'm not that good!
Set some new world records
Now wait for the reactionsss!
I used a glitch and I liked it,
won-der if others mind it,
They're hun-tin' this witch,
I should hide it,
Just hope that no-one else finds it.
It felt so wrong
It felt so right
But I'll be top of the leaderboards to-night.
I used a glitch and I liked it,
I liked it.
Lulz. I thought up some more lines too Jav. I'll write them all down and then we can merge them together to craft it into one epic spoof song thing and put it up on youtube. :lol
Sounds a PLAN. Everyone'll sing a few lines and record it on webcam, then send it and upload :lol
LOL that's very funny haha. My reaction to this thread is, oh look, cheating in wipeout again...:rolleyes.
Screw all the cheaters out there, my reaction to any and all kinds of cheating is that whoever doesn't want to play the game properly can go crawl in a hole and die. :twisted (Don't take this literally. What it really means is, instead of spending time cheating, maybe one could go read up on chivalry or morality or go do something to build character. Don't just go die cause I said so.)
It's a game for godsake. Play it. I will play wipeout the way I feel is "properly", and when I'm playing online, I'll try to ensure I"m only playing others who feel the same way. If that means playing only people I know after all this is said and done and gets spewn around the interwebz (it will, just like the Pulse crap did), fine. I don't care. The leaderboards be damned, there's leaderboards here and on Connavar's site which can be kept clean of loser's times. Blah. There I've said it, and it feels good. :)
Except it's not other than the fact that you gain a substantial amount of speed. The way it's accomplished is totally different and entirely up to your abilities as a player (*)Quote:
Originally Posted by kanar
Jaytech was Jaytech, no matter who used it.
Just saying.
I guess everyone sees it as an exploit though so that answers the question I asked a while ago before this thread totally exploded.
(*) I say that but I was in the process of trying it out with Pilot Assist on at higher speed classes when my PS3 died so I'm not 100% sure on that.
Blahh, I'm quite frustrated at the moment about this whole cheat thing here.
First of all I'm racing mainly at flash speed and had great races with slow-train online many times. Never been thinking he's cheating, he is just simply a fast pilot.
The "flying over" someone... uh, I don't get how it could be seen as cheating. There's many ways that could happen. Turbos, sideshift-brs, using the sides of a track - these are not cheating, right?
Maybe I'm happily unaware of this cheat that's in question.
About the starter of this thread. There was this one online race, from which I actually remember his name in first place. I was having a decent race (means getting some turbos and not too many weapons used against me). And there's this guy, I've never seen before, who doesn't really know how to br but still gets ahead of me leaving me behind more and more. Could be he was just purely lucky with MANY turbos but it just seemed odd at the time.
Now I'm really sorry to hear if there's a plan of cutting other speed classes out from the cup.
Personally I'm almost always racing at slower speeds and really suck at phantom. After all this cup was meant for everybody, and slower speeds require different knowledge of the tracks than phantom. So it would be like phantom players have their advantage with their choices but it would be taken away from slower speed pilots. I would be ready to video my games but can't speak for others, if they have the possibility for it.
Respect for all honest players,
miizu3:)
After having thought about this for a while, keeping especially jav's comments in mind, I've come to the realization that for me I never really cared about beating anyone I didn't know was good from first hand knowledge, or to put it another way I dont care where I come so much on the leaderboards in terms of pure numbers, what I care about is where I place myself in relation to the players I acknowledge. For example, Yeldar, Pirhapac, leungbok, Tarquin etc. because I know for a fact that these names are legends and not cheaters.
Or to put it another way: If I cant see for myself or if they aren't vouched for by this community to bee good and honest, a player on the leaderboards, to me is just another couple of letters and numbers. I know who's times matter to me and who I care about beating in online races. The rest is of no consequence to my enjoyment of this game.
Well said there Oryx :D :+
I know the first thing i do when i finish a race is go straight to the friends leaderboard.
"Damn still 3 seconds off DP :lol"