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Originally Posted by gettinmoney662
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Originally Posted by gettinmoney662
I haven't seen these adverts myself yet, but I thought I'd chip in with my opinion anyway.
I can't stand adverts.
I can handle them on something like Spotify, where you are getting a free service, which is paid for by the adverts, and you have the option to pay a subscription fee to have it without the adverts. But with something like Wipeout HD you've already paid for it, so it should be advert free.
Another example would be watching a film on TV ... you can deal with the adverts, but if you really love the film, you can buy it on DVD ... once you've made that purchase you don't want the DVD interrupt the film with an advert break!!
One of the reasons I enjoy Wipeout is to escape from all the rubbish that gets thrown at you from the outside world. It's a self contained environment, where the only things that matter are skill, speed, concentration, reflexes etc. If I start getting adverts rammed down my throat, then it would definitely have a negative impact on the game for me. If SL need more of a budget, then they should provide the option of an advert-free patch for another £2 or something like that. Or should have just charged £9.99 for Fury in the first place, because it was worth it.
And I don't hate adverts because I'm weak willed and think that I'll be sucked into buying Hannah Montana CDS or anything. I hate them because I find it objectionable to have my personal space intruded upon by something that 99.99999999% of the time I'll have absolutely no interest in whatsoever.
Oh boy.
Firstly, I think all you people pointing the finger at SL need to take a step back and do some research.
A while back SCEE said on Playstation.com that they were going have 'content partners' who will come along and fill our games with shite, or as they put it "Enhance the user experience". I'd highly doubt SL has ANY say someone in the know correct me if I'm wrong.
The fact the SCEA implemented this first should be no shock to anyone considering the US is commercial central, just try watching the live broadcast of Monday Night Raw, the number of ad breaks is unbearable.
Its only a matter of time before EU players get a dose of the same treatment.
I won't stop playing or buying Wipeout games or content in the future.
Hahaha. A perfect exampe of someone who can read but unable to absorb key data...:donutQuote:
Originally Posted by gettinmoney662
You forgot to address the key issues with your dumb post, these are mentioned throughout the thread....
Advert slows loading times according to the users who complained
Advert is causing game crashes
Advert is crap
Dont think anyone really said they were scared of the advert and might run off down the raod to buy insurance.
I myself havn't got the add so i dont care but there are members this has affected.
I think they broke the game immersion to some extent when the added "Ahh now that's better" or whatever it was to one of the load screens explaining absorbing pickups or such (sorry don't remember offhand exactly what it was). I remember the first time I fired up Fury and saw that it kind of bummed me out. Everything seemed fitting except that. Seemed like it was a little too nonchalant or informal for such a high tech environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by IH8YOU
Good point about SL's involvement in these adds.
Like I say, I'm from the UK and haven't seen them myself, so I'm just going from what I've read on the forum - but yes, I doubt that SL have anything to do with it. Still absolutely hate the idea though.
Also wanted to add that seeing such intrusive adverts has a negative effect on me - I tend to actively avoid the company responsible, and choose one of it's competitors instead.
Hmmm ... I didn't like the 'ah, that's better' either - but that was one of the only things I didn't like about Fury.
I could list so many things about wipeout that annoy me, this would not be one of them. At the end of the day its only a loading screen. As long as the game doesnt crash, my records update(which they havent) and the framerate drop keeps to a minimum well i'm happy
it was a tad too duke nukemQuote:
Originally Posted by jimsin
I found it slightly amusing, ahh thats better :)
Yeah it's not a deal breaker and sort of human. It just didn't seem to fit the futuristic theme though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapier Racer
1. People have admitted to not actually timing the loading differences between the two and even if it does, what's the difference? 2-3 seconds? To quote Matt Hazard, "if you had anything important to do, you wouldn't be playing a game."Quote:
Originally Posted by jasmin-jade
2. That's the only valid issue I've heard of so far but it's only affecting a miniority of users.
3. Yeah, that's a very important issue. I can't believe I didn't spend a paragraph or two talking about it. I feel bad that I didn't discuss such a major key issue to this argument.
Maybe the reason I don't care about the ads is because I play Wipeout to have fun and not to pretend I'm a hovercraft racer from the future.
Evin if you were a Hovercraft racer from the future guess what your car would be plastered with... AD's And guess who would be calling you every day asking for sponsorship? the people who MAKE the ads.
I agree with Gettin Money here
:donut:donutRefering to your last sentence...Asumption is the basis of all ****upsQuote:
Originally Posted by gettinmoney662
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What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by jasmin-jade
No, actually, there is nothing more behind it. They are putting ads in a game for which I paid them money.Quote:
Originally Posted by gettinmoney662
...and I thought you said you were not the one using "whiney hyperbole"?
Now I don't want to get into it but if that's your criteria I'm sure you could find tons of stuff you do that you've paid money for and there's advertising involved. Heck you can't hardly buy clothes that don't have logos on them. That is effectively advertising. Even movies that I've paid money for and either had luck by-passing the trailers, ads, marketing of the intro I have to endure a avalanche of product placement or downright shilling of goods and services.Quote:
Originally Posted by newtype
I guess that's my problem with it though. There's so much of it everywhere that I was hoping my video game would be the last bastion of ad free entertainment. Of course that's not the case. In fact I was shilled to buy Wipeout HD long ago in High Velocity Bowling (even though that makes more sense than trying to get a twitchy video gamer to buy life/home/auto insurance.
You pay for cable TV, newspapers, magazines, Internet service, clothing, movie tickets, tickets to sporting events, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by newtype
I'm sorry, what was your point again?
Furthermore, this isn't the first game to feature in-game advertising. At least, with Wipeout, the ads are only in the loading screens instead of on billboards inside the game.
I totally understand what you're saying, but here is why I think it's different:Quote:
Originally Posted by crawdad62
-when you are listening to an album/cd, people would be pissed if they put ads in between tracks
-if you are reading a novel, there is an ad after every chapter
-you are watching a movie, and in between scenes, an ad briefly flashes on screen
I just think people would be more pissed off if it was happening in these forms of media...I believe the same degree of anger should be leveled at this game.
The difference between Wipeout and those things are that there are no breaks in between chapters or songs or scenes whereas in Wipeout, there are breaks between every race.Quote:
Originally Posted by newtype
Newspapers and magazines, there are ads between each article. In TV shows, there are constant breaks.
I must admit, the ads are annoying me more than they did initially...seems like I see it an average of every 3 races or so. I was playing through the 8-race tourney in the final campaign grid today and the ad popped up between 3 races in a row at one point. So, the frequency combined with the fact that it's the same damn ad over and over and over and also combined with the resultant longer loading times is making me a little crazy. Like I said before though, despite the fact that I'm not happy about it now, it won't stop me from playing. I also share the sentiments of whoever said that they'd purposefully go out of their way to avoid the company being advertised and go so far as to purchase from their competitor...I'm the exact same way.
Oh, and I can't stand the "Ahh, that's better!" line at the end of the absorb tutorial either...it makes me cringe every time...so cheesy IMO.
Whats more worrying is this is Sony just testing the water. If we dont complain about this unsolicited ad, it may open the floodgates for loads more advertising. Soon the 'free' PSN will be cluttered with adverts - not good, and unacceptable in my opinion.
At least it would be on par with Xbox Live on one more point :lol
eh? Whats this got to do with Xbox live troll-boy? :D
Ads everywhere with Xbox Live, no?
Or I'm probably mistaken again because I don't have a Heatbox 360°C :p
(All in good fun, don't take my "trolling" seriously)
Oh, there are definitely "breaks" in all of those things I mentioned...they may be short, but they are most certainly there. The point is, if you purchased a spy novel, got home, started reading it, and there was a print ad between the pages, you would be like "uh, what is this..."Quote:
Originally Posted by gettinmoney662
NPs and Mags are riddled with ads because this has always been the case in this form of media (or at least it has for a long period of time). Further, you may have some wiggle room with your point if the game had ads from the day it was released, but it did not; they were sneaked in there under our noses.
Nice try, but at least the games themselves don't have ads while you are playing them. Don't you think that is totally different than MS putting ads in the main sections of the NXE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkdrium777
I've had mine since Halo 3 was released, and no problems yet (fingers crossed)...5 or 6 of my friends have had to send their in for warranty repair though-Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkdrium777
There's a break between a scene and a chapter where you are forced to stop watching or reading for a period of time?Quote:
Originally Posted by newtype
In-game advertising is not a new phenomenon.
How about comic books? Ads every few pages in those.
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Originally Posted by Darkdrium777
I hid my five characters here: .....
Seems like Newtype is the troll eh DD777?
I thought he was joking about calling him a troll. This has got to be the most overused nerd word on the Internet. Anytime someone disagrees with someone, they're called a troll.
I love this forum. :donut
No point in thinking that if you complain enough Sony will stop it. don't be naive.
Yes, they then go on to spout the following crap. :turdQuote:
Sony Computer Entertainment America and Europe have announced another partnership in the PlayStation's growing advertising platform.
In October, Sony Computer Entertainment America announced it had formed a division strictly for developing in-game advertisements for all of the PlayStation platforms, including the PlayStation Network.
Ooh what? Well crafted you say?Quote:
Sony looks to provide more "contextually relevant and well-crafted" advertising in its games
http://www.betanews.com/article/Sony...ort/1215796102
Also
http://xbox.joystiq.com/tag/in-game-advertising/Quote:
Analysts at Screen Digest estimate we'll be seeing a lot more virtual billboards as companies throw greater sums of money at in-game advertising. A lot more. The UK-based firm suggests that spending on in-game ads will push beyond a $1 billion by 2014, accounting for about one and a half percent of total global advertising dollars spent.
This is despite what the firm refers to as "short term softness" of in-game ad spending so far in 2009. In fact, the company believes in its gilded heart that virtual billboards are here to stay, as they help reach groups of people who are "increasingly hard to reach via other media." So, listen rookie, those bullets the enemy are using are very real, so keep your head down behind that fallen Pepsi billboard over there and bring me a soda.
See that? The future of gaming is bright! And lets not kid ourselves with all this "If advertising helps fund further game development..." because I'd go out on a limb and say all it helps to fund is the gold lining of some Sony execs pocket.
Spouting crap indeed...
Where is this gonna end?
Can you imagine the gameplay stopping every 10 minutes for a 3 minute commercial break? What a nightmare!
It won't come to that or if it ever does they'll be closing down the "Gaming Division" in a matter of minutes. ;) You can trust the gamers on that.
Ha, and how am I being a troll exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vartazian
I just don't like ads in my games. Simple.
...Oh how I long for the day when I have over 300 posts so I can be taken seriously :rolleyes:
Yeah, I agree...while I'm not happy with the ads, I doubt it will ever get that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkdrium777
Does anyone else find it ironic that Wipeout - whose game universe is so hyper-commercialized - is now being crucified for being too commercialized?
Too bad State Farm (and whichever companies down the road) didn't make an ad more relevant to the game universe. Probably the same people complaining the loudest would be cheering State Farm for their creativity. But I can't imagine creating custom ads for each game would be cost-effective for anyone.
saw the state farm ad couple nights ago. i actually like the idea, i just wish they had more ads than just that one.
...anybody else think that rapper sounds like he's having nightmares?
^^
Rapper? There's no one speaking in the ad, as far as I've ever heard.
guess i should have said beatboxer.
More info about the ads, and their creators, from video game news site gamustra....
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=24677
In-game ad house Double Fusion has brought dynamic, in-game video advertising to the PlayStation 3 game Wipeout HD across North America and Europe, the company said Monday.
Double Fusion said it will inject advertising that will complement the hover-racer's futuristic presentation. The new video ads have yet to launch, but Double Fusion CEO Jonathan Epstein said certain unnamed advertisers have already signed up for placements in Wipeout HD. Ads will be shown during the game's loading screens, Double Fusion said.
The company added that the video ads would be "the highest definition" available in-game, and the game will also have supplemental ads that are standard definition.
One of the game's advertisers is State Farm -- an insurance firm that doesn't exactly reflect the reckless blow-em-up zero-gravity racing exhibited in Wipeout HD or previous franchise entries. (See this YouTube video, found via games blog Fidgit).
Wipeout HD arrived as an ad-free download for PlayStation Network in September 2008. The game is developed by Sony Liverpool, which recently released the expansion, Wipeout HD Fury.
Double Fusion said it plans to launch in-game advertising in "another handful" of PS3 games by the end of the year. The San Francisco-based company services more than 30 game publishers via its ad network.
Analysts have estimated that in-game ad spending could reach $1 billion by 2014. Currently the market stands at about $600 million, a figure that also includes web games.
I agree with your sentiments but it is also true that gaming on the Xbox and PS3 platforms has so far been a huge money-loosing enterprise. It's not surprising to see the Microsoft and Sony trying to recoup their costs any way that they can. If Nintendo started advertising, now THAT would just be greedy :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Rapier Racer