Ballistic NG - Wipeout fan project

Just uploaded an alpha test of the track importer, here's the link. A demo scene of Utah Project setup in the importer is included. Documentation can also be found here, as of posting it's very basic and I will be writing more for it soon.

And just to resolve any initial confusion, this is only an importer for getting an existing track mesh setup to use in the game, you have to make the track in external software beforehand. It should also be noted that the importer could be unstable in some cases, basic functionality over stability was the focus of uploading this test build, if you run into any issues then let me know :)

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Thanks! You're thinking of Aciknovae, those animated billboards were made by Dreadofmondays :)

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Yes this one !

I've been playing the 0.2 and 0.3mod and I'm having a blast :clap. But I'm here just post some issues. PLOX TAEK DEM IN CUNSIDERATIAN PLZ!!!11!!1 :redface:
0.3mod:It has the framerate kind of unstable, the framerate begin to skip for no reason whatsoever, other than that, the AI ships keeps clustering through the track.
I have yet to test the ship and track importer.

0.2: Survival has the Pit lanes and Dual Airbrakes working, you need to disable this, it should'nt happen

"Corkscrewed" parts of the track make the autopilot and the AI ships suffer when going through the track, they hit the ground and and keep rebounding back for eternity.
Ishtar citadel has a...bad placed invisble wall, that part where the ship is supossed to run through that "wall" part of the track. It really annoys me that you can't shortcut that wall.

The tolerancy of the wall riding made the game much easier to handle, altough it's not there yet. When the game registers that you hit the wall, your ship still stops, but the good thing is that the accel of the ships is good, so its not a issue when you hit the wall sideways. You can go back to the track 1 sec after. The problem is that at certains speeds I think it should still reduce the speed, and rebound the ship a bit more, so you don't hit the same place again and again. There are times that when you think you can scrape the wall, you hit it and get stuck, because there's not enough rebound, so you keep hitting that little piece of the wall corner in succession.

This one here is not a issue, but a track design opinion: Pit lanes should be easy to go in and out, since it's something like a safe zone, when you're in despair. It's really annoying having to do a tight manuever to go into the pit. That's something that I complain about WipEout XL and Wip3out. I mean 0x002 has an atrocious pit lane, I lite"rally" have to slide through the track, or brake to turn 90 degrees to go into the pit, manuever the ship again, while accelerating, to go through the pit, turn, and do the same 90 degree turn to go back on the track. I have more chances of dying doing that than recharging my shields...albeit losing too much time.

I know this is made to behave like the classic WipEout's, but I really wanted to have the sideshift, its a usefull move, it could open up some possibilities.

Also, cockpit view. The first person one is good, but I like to see the cockpit to have a reference. It also feels cool 8)

Sorry for the long, post I just hope those problems and this opinion can be taken in consideration in later releases.

Side shift would wreck this game, this is supposed to be hard, like the older games, anticipating turns, having to stay off the walls. Side shift destroys what the old games are about

You should play ssgx, that game is excellent as well and is supposed to be like the newer games, with side shift, more lenient wall scraping, etc.

I've played SSGX, but this game didn't have an update in some time, and the ships seemed to not turn well, even with airbrakes(I dunno if it's issue with me). I've played Pulse and SSGX back to back, and SSGX felt weird. Really weird. Also in Pulse the walls feel like they have maglocks on them :P. Well, I like the older WipEouts, the side shift was just a thought, since my favourite is Pure, because it has a the best of the early and later games, it felt and played very well.

I think I like Pure the best of the newer games from fusion and forward as well

I've found one issue in the game: You can be eliminated after finishing a race.

Also, what's the point of putting the ship importer...if you can't use the imported ship? the tracks on the latest build are locked, and I can only use the ships, and tracks provided in the cup...

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0.3mod:It has the framerate kind of unstable, the framerate begin to skip for no reason whatsoever, other than that, the AI ships keeps clustering through the track.
0.2: Survival has the Pit lanes and Dual Airbrakes working, you need to disable this, it should'nt happen

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I'm currently looking at the skipping issue, I managed to replicate the problem on a computer at college so I need to figure out what's causing it. I have spotted some irregular spikes in Unity's profiler too so hopefully I'll have it figured out soon. There's also another issue where some people are getting consistent hang at all times, even on the menu. I've updated the game to the latest version of Unity which I'm hoping will fix that, alongside the long standing input issue where the ship always turns right (I'm still not sure what causes that but it seems to be only in a select few cases).

Also fixed those two issues with survival today :)

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The tolerancy of the wall riding made the game much easier to handle, altough it's not there yet. When the game registers that you hit the wall, your ship still stops, but the good thing is that the accel of the ships is good, so its not a issue when you hit the wall sideways. You can go back to the track 1 sec after. The problem is that at certains speeds I think it should still reduce the speed, and rebound the ship a bit more, so you don't hit the same place again and again. There are times that when you think you can scrape the wall, you hit it and get stuck, because there's not enough rebound, so you keep hitting that little piece of the wall corner in succession.

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Everything as of 0.3mod is deliberate, like JabberJaw has said on multiple occasions the game is supposed to be hard. Your ship does rebound more depending on how heavy the collision is, but if you hit a wall and can't get off it then it's because you're not steering away from it in time. The rebound as it is is pretty heavy at the moment, if you hit the wall hard enough then your ship will bounce to face far enough into the track for you to recover without repetitively colliding after.

To also briefly expand on what JabberJaw mentioned with the sideshifting, the reason the game doesn't have it and why it won't ever be able to have anything like it integrated falls down to track design. In the newer Wipeout games the tracks are designed in such a way that you need to use sideshifting in the faster speed classes to correct your racing line, in BnG the tracks are designed around timing your steering correctly and using the airbrakes to drift around tighter corners. You can still somewhat sideshift though, in Spectre/Zen if you steer in one direction and airbrake in the other then the two rotations from you airbraking and steering more a less cancel each other out and you'll be left slowly rotating while being pulled to one side.

Another thing I should probably also mention, it hasn't been mentioned in a while but I have had questions about adding barrel roll back in from the earlier builds of the game a few times. The reason BnG doesn't have barrel rolls anymore is because the afterburner has taken on the single function of boosting, the same as Wipeout 3. Barrel rolls act in essentially the same way, you loose some energy and get a boost out of it, except with the afterburner you can do it whenever you like and you get a much larger boost for the same energy loss.

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I've found one issue in the game: You can be eliminated after finishing a race.

Also, what's the point of putting the ship importer...if you can't use the imported ship? the tracks on the latest build are locked, and I can only use the ships, and tracks provided in the cup...

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That elimination issue will be fixed by the final version of the build, there's a few cases where you can be eliminated when you shouldn't be able to be. For the ship importer, it's available in custom race which you have to unlock gamemodes for by playing the singleplayer, or you can just type iwantitall on the menu to unlock everything. The reason you can't use imported ships in singleplayer is because there's no restrictions on the settings you enter so you can easily just create an overpowered ship to power through everything with ease.

Man, you should promote and hype your Steam greenlight submission, because I WANT to have BNG on Steam, oh yea.

And more than elimination after finish, I'm more concerned about that bug, when you race again after you click on "Next race" after finishing 1st. That really pisses me off sometimes. Did that happened to anyone?

That greenlight submission is only a concept though, I still gotta pay the greenlight fee :P I probably am going to improve it with 0.3 though, I'll make a bunch of track videos and screenshots to add on there.

I'm going to be looking at the next race button problem today, I have some ideas on what is causing it. and fixed!

Am I doing something wrong that the WipEout and 2097 ships ain't showing, or are they disabled at the moment?

You need to provide the data for them, there's a readme provided with the game on what you need to do. The options don't show up if the game doesn't find the files required.

I understand what you're trying to say, about hard. What am I saying is there is something off with the collisions yet y'know? I'm comparing it to WO3(SE) and it's preety faithfull wehn flying around(some tracks), but, I just think there's something >>very off<< with the colisions that's all.(But that was on v0.2, I'm sorry) I couldn't properly race on Stanza, with G-Tek on Halberd, and I race this thing on phantom with at least a ship with 3 of handling(on WO3). I've found myself dual braking most of the time in BNG(Again, that was v0.2)

I guess I can live without sideshift...I'll just miss it :frown:. AILERON ROLLING(Star Fox be da**ed. Because of this dumb guy on the localization team, it was turned into a meme, and a default in gaming) is the bane of my existance in the newer WipEout's. I swear I could break my thumb and the analog stick on the controller when playing Pure and Pulse. It just comes when it wants to. The position of your hand on the stick doesn't let you turn left and right with full precision, and the game just screws with you because of that. Wiggle that thing all you want, unless you put this thing straight horizontally it won't come out, which is atrocious.

Hyperthrust...Can't say I hate it, but I don't like it much either. The idea of using shields to get a boost of speed when needed is a good idea, just the way it was executed that felt broken(at least in Wip3out, you could skip whole chunks of tracks with a ramp and a hyperthrust, but I wanna see how you'll make it work in your tracks, and the game overall, cuz custom content YAY!)

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WipE'out" Final, because R-Type "finished" the series, with a glorious last title to end the saga(till they released a PSP strategy game and a 3D Space shooter on the PSN Home JPN...but that's not the case)

Well, This version is much better than the last I've played and the game improved A LOT overall, I loved the new tracks, the 4 best handling ships feel good(I NEED DI HANDLING), Ship Editor...is good ATM, can be improved(is there a way to change the color of the tail fin?), I'm missing the quake, and the game progress is going smoothly, I just wish the game was HD...I really wanted to see the older WipE'out" concept running in with beautifull High Definition graphics..."Beggars can't be choosers", but one could dream. HOWEVER problems still remain:

_As I said in a post before, that version has some performance issues, the frames were skipping...but they're sudenly gone, the game is running smoothly +60fps...weird. Not complaining but weird...
_Utah Project is unberable in Halberd with the current AI. They keep clustering and as I see they're going full auto-pilot, since they seem to be using always the same line, hitting themselves and me to my death rentlessly.The problem is even WORSE when playing on Zen with slower machine, or when you don't nail the track. Hit the wall = You're done, and you won't be seeing the other ships again. They cluster too much, their speed is the same.Specially in Zen. I think the only thing it needs now, besides finishing the other tracks, and fixing some few issues with weaponry(I'll put it below) is to rework the AI and the Auto-Pilot, which are the same, and it's broken.
_Ackinovae has a problem with the AI ships(besides the wrong behavior), which I don't know if it's specifically on Zen, but the ships spawned in the air and dropped down later in the race. Other problem(Probally in Zen too, since I was running on that speed) the ships are now Goku's teleporting. When they get almost to the end of the track, they just cut the whole chunk, but I don't know if that happened just once, or if it keeps happening in that speed class, because it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep up.
_Some items don't have use. Yet. Or I'm using it the wrong way. What's that half shield symbol do? I never got what's being said by the computer, so I don't know what's it's use.
_Sometimes the shield does not engage.
_Weapons/Items can be taken repeatedly if you discard the item you have, if you're about to go over a item pad
_Auto-Pilot struggles to navigate through the track. So does the AI in certain tracks(except on that BLODDY UTA-*shot*)
_Ship importer doesn't like WOHD Ship models(They're extracted from the game intact). The glass just disappears. The texture has no alpha, so does the glass geometry itself. I don't know what's happening. The ship itself looks fine.
_Position counter glitches if you overlap the other racers(I think). I've finished the 1st Season of the single player, all in first place, but in the results it gives me 7th(most of the time). Once it gave me a 5th.(That's why I was pissed before, because I've finished the Season, and nothing did unlock for me. So I couldn't use any of the games features)
_(Done on v0.2, check further versions)XL Track 4 has 2 bugs in the first jump: If you fail the jump, you have a chance of getting stuck beneath the track and don't respawn. The second one, is when you go somewhat farther then the game expects, you fall through the ground and respawn(I dunno if theres a chance of getting stuck).The later happened to me once.
_With camdmg enabled, if you finish a race hitting the wall, the effect will still be present. It resets upon loading another track.
_The ships stay in their "prototype track form" when they race in one of the prototypes. When you go to other track(no prototype one), they're still on the "prototype track form"
_Custom ships glitch(appears as if it was on the editor) and the menus disappear(with the custom ship, I don't know the others) when you pause the game, AFTER you going to any prototype track.
_(Not an issue) LUNA's walls are hard to see without Tonemap. The lights on the track are a nice touch both in aesthetic and functionality, I just wished i could see the walls better.

So yeah.... I think that is most of the problems I've found playing the game. Sorry if I sound too harsh(and for the long post), it is because I'm somewhat perfectionist, when it comes to some stuff...don't burn me:redface:

Thanks for the list of bugs! Quite a few of them are already fixed, will fix the remaining stuff you've listed soon :)

For the ship importer, it only supports 1 mesh and 1 material. You can have submeshes that belong to the 1 supported mesh, but make sure that there is only 1 material being used for all submeshes. For the Wipeout HD ships you need to combine everything into one mesh. For the glass you'll need to edit the texture and UV it on manually, same for the carbon texture for the fury ships. In the final build of 0.3 the ship importer is going to reject the mesh if it has more then 1 mesh.

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Thanks for the list of bugs! Quite a few of them are already fixed, will fix the remaining stuff you've listed soon :)

For the ship importer, it only supports 1 mesh and 1 material. You can have submeshes that belong to the 1 supported mesh, but make sure that there is only 1 material being used for all submeshes. For the Wipeout HD ships you need to combine everything into one mesh. For the glass you'll need to edit the texture and UV it on manually, same for the carbon texture for the fury ships. In the final build of 0.3 the ship importer is going to reject the mesh if it has more then 1 mesh.

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I can't realocate the UV's on the fury ships, it's all messed up. I could put everything in one texture, but I can't put in one material, it's impossible. In the next version put support for multiple materials please. PLEASE.

Everything is in one mesh already. After you told me that thing with the textures that I've saw the problem. I went to look the belly of the ship and there it was. Looped textures. Thanks for the heads-up. Also...can I post a G-Tek model template for importing? You should have included that to show how the model should be scaled in-game...

Go for it! Going to be providing some templates with the final build but until then that should help anybody who wants to try it out early.

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You need to provide the data for them, there's a readme provided with the game on what you need to do. The options don't show up if the game doesn't find the files required.

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ALLSH/TERRY CMP and PRM in H:\BallisticNG\UserData\MyShips. Ripped straight from 2097 and WipEout platinum edition PS1 disks.

Also, not sure if said already but clicking Controls takes you to the campaign menu

Yeah, you should put in the configuration menu in the next build Snake. I want to hit people with X, not with B button.
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EDIT:more bugs
_You should be able to take items while using shield
_AI ships gain an insane boost of speed when doing jumps(seen in Ackinovae).
_AI ships will relenteslly keep hitting anything in front of it, without thought of trying to go around( I've passed through a Scorpio been hit by another ship mutliple times. It felt that scorpio was a nail in a plank...)
_Tampering with the frame rate make ships...faster than it should be. I went with a framerate of 30 to simulate the fps of the ps1 and the ships just got insanely fast. they all of them were keeping up with th Tenrai ship I was using, I had no chance to overtake the others. Once i've hit a wall it was basically over for me, I couldn't catch up. So yeah... the lower, the worse the auto-pilot and AI will be.
_Missiles and Rockets don't disappear upon impact. They can go through walls and hit multiple targets.
_Season 1, 4th track you can't finish first, and upon finishing the track the game gives you quit and restart options. Clicking restart takes you to the next track(that's why I though I've finished the season)
_Ship is invisible upon finishing in 1st person view(plz keep it that way, it's good and surprisingly not nauseating. Hooray the camera is not on the ground)Just plz change the shield effect while in first person...it's distracting

Really, work on the AI. This makes the game frustating.

Just released 0.3! You can download it here or as usual it's also on the release thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afhVWw0g9Ng

Rafeku, I've provided a link to that template ship on the github wiki page for it, which is also linked to in the modding tools folder in the game. I've also fixed (or at least should have fixed) the problems you've listed before your edit on your latest post, I was testing for a few hours last night and everything seemed in order. The shield thing isn't a bug by the way, it's intentional that you can't pickup anything else while it's active. Will likely have a hotfix up at some point to address the other stuff you've listed, finishing the documentation for the modding tools is now my top priority though so it will probably be a few days.

I'll be taking a look on it tomorrow I'll edit this post when I get my dirty jands on the build. Now I didnt get it yet, but can you program the collision model to when the games register a hit, it reduces to half the current speed? I was watching a 2097 Pirahna run, and when it hit the wall it went from 357km/h to 13#(it was fast). Can try doing that in a build? Thx in advance.

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Okay so I got my hands in the game. Not much changed... have you tweaked the AI? At least in Apex they seem to be more calm, Halberd however is the same chore. They're clustering less, but with a lap, they are all togheter. I see that they now try to keep overtaking you, but they're still relentless in corners. I was drifiting with a Scorpio and a Tenrai have blown my left match box :(. He kept hitting my left like it was hammer till I've hit the wall, and the other racers went through; all of them togheter. Bunch of assassins. I feel like I've killed their partners and they want revenge or something. All of'em. I once got hit by 4 rockets at once. AT ONCE. I've had overtaken 2 guys once, and they tried to overtake me. One of them had hit my back, exploded it with rockets(I hate when the AI does this cheap crap), and so did the guy behind in an instant. What's tihs? A CONSPIRACY, I SAY!!!! They're the Illuminati! I'm telling you. That was on Zephyr Ridge. Utah Project also had this problem, so in this case, from the 2: 1) I nailed the track or 2) You've touched in the AI.
Have you tried to make the AI follow a pattern? Random positions, Random ships, they'll follow a pattern to keep up on a certain position, once you overtake them, they'll try to overtake you. Once you get first they'll amp up the pace. I dunno. What breaks the fun of this game to me is the AI. They don't lose speed in corners, so this means if he's closing on you, you're sure to get hit by him and he won't have any consequences, making all your work to the top go to the trash in a matter of seconds. When the ships are hit by weapon, they should have a delay to return gaining speed. Multiple times I've hit ships with missles or rockets, and the worst that happens to them is getting themselves a jump and they're back already in less than a second, the cannon slows them down though. I just don't know by how much, it depends how many shots you can land on it...

Nice touch on the menu presentation, 2097 all the way. I just missed the flying arrows, they're a nice touch on the menu...which is only grey :(
Can you send me a config file with L1(LB) and R1(RB) buttons as airbrakes and, [ ](X) and O(B) inversed? I can't get used to using the triggers as airbrakes, and the [ ] button is more convinient(to me) to fire weapons.

Baby got an atom bomb. K.

_Controller keeps vibrating when you hit a wall and quit th track. Stops vibrating upon loading another track.
_Menu music doesn't loop.
_Auto-pilot still strugles through the track. In Harpstone the A-P kept going back and forth through the tangent and could go out until I've disabled it.
_XL Unfinished track has inverted textures on the signs... Zephyr Ridge and Utah have wrong placed textures on the track walls, do little check on it.
_When you press the fire button multiple times with plasma bolt, the >sound< is played multiple times.
_Custom color hud doesn't display the diamond shaped icon on the side of the time of the lap

Got my hands on 0.3, mostly doing TT, and the general feel is nice. Now, i may be a bit nitpicking at this point, but here's what i found (mostly sound related) :

- When trying to do a race or time trial with checkpoints enabled, the CHK countdown remains at 0 an the checkpoints do not respond (aka no laps registered). Also a single collision with the wall will eliminate you instantly.
- Some sound effects do not play at random occurences (engine can get cutoff when starting a race, restarting solves it but can cause another SFX to not be played, such as the start countdown sounds).
- Voices are still kinda difficult to hear during races (even the alternatives ones)
- Track intro voice for Maceno Bay says the old trackname (i can do the Pre-race intros if needed).

Haven't tested the custom music player yet, will do when i come back from Paris (offline from Friday to Sunday).

Thanks for the feedback! Adding it all to the list of stuff to do. The random cutoff of sounds by the way is a bug with Unity, from my own testing it's caused by reverb zones (if you fly through the reverb zone causing it you'll hear the wet output only). I have no idea when they plan to fix it, but it's been a problem for a good few years now :brickwall

I'm looking for the next version of the game to finally have a proper inputmanager, so that means customizable controls in-game and different configuration sets for controllers with or without analog triggers.

Just got the new versions and it's nice to see more tracks with environments! (Atlantica is probably my favourite) Here's a list of bugs or weird things I've seen from messing around mainly with TT.

- When finishing a race in 1st person view your ship will be invisible when you see it racing around at the end of the event. (Only tested in TT)
- If there is no mySounds folder in UserData the audio menu will not open. I deleted my UserData folder at some point and was confused as to why I couldn't access the audio menu.
- When I go to select a wipeout ship I can't use the keyboard to select which wipeout version I want (I only have WO3 ships so I have to use the mouse to click on WO3 before being able to use the keyboard / controller again to select a WO3 ship)
- It's not possible to tell which audio option I've got selected when using kb / controller apart from the two enable / disable options.
- Music doesn't seem to play on Atlantica.
- This seems to be linux specific but wipeout and 2097 ships will not appear in the menus. I know the files are in the correct folder as I can move the UserData folder to the windows version and the ships appear. (I'm not sure what the difference between loading wo & 97 ships is to wo3 ships but the latter works fine)

On a slightly unrelated note how do you generate the .vcm files for the lighting? When I built the linux version I copied the lighting folder from the repo but some of the circuits had no lighting as a few of the vcm files in the repo are different to those in the 0.3 Windows release. eg "Luan.vcm" in the repo vs "LUNA.vcm" in the windows release. (I'm very new to unity so I'm probably missing something obvious)

Also how does the custom music work? I've tried putting mp3 files (by themselves and in subfolders) in the custom music folder but nothing seemed to happen. (I also tried enabling ext music, not sure what it stands for but no music played when I did that) I assume I'm putting the files in the right folder but maybe not the right format?

Anyway here's a linux build of 0.3
https://mega.nz/#!kZ8jFAjT!bTxFm8Zko...elgKMrndH0BNZQ

And here's me doing a Halberd time trial on Luna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVRIcFt39kc

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- When finishing a race in 1st person view your ship will be invisible when you see it racing around at the end of the event. (Only tested in TT)

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I've already fixed this one :)

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- If there is no mySounds folder in UserData the audio menu will not open. I deleted my UserData folder at some point and was confused as to why I couldn't access the audio menu.

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Ah, that will be caused by the game trying to access the folder when it doesn't exist. Thanks for reporting, will get that fixed ASAP.

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- This seems to be linux specific but wipeout and 2097 ships will not appear in the menus. I know the files are in the correct folder as I can move the UserData folder to the windows version and the ships appear. (I'm not sure what the difference between loading wo & 97 ships is to wo3 ships but the latter works fine)

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That's a strange one, I'm using libraries written by Aybe for loading those files so I wonder if there's something he's written that is specific to Windows. I'll take a look into that and see what I can find.

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On a slightly unrelated note how do you generate the .vcm files for the lighting? When I built the linux version I copied the lighting folder from the repo but some of the circuits had no lighting as a few of the vcm files in the repo are different to those in the 0.3 Windows release. eg "Luan.vcm" in the repo vs "LUNA.vcm" in the windows release. (I'm very new to unity so I'm probably missing something obvious)

Also how does the custom music work? I've tried putting mp3 files (by themselves and in subfolders) in the custom music folder but nothing seemed to happen. (I also tried enabling ext music, not sure what it stands for but no music played when I did that) I assume I'm putting the files in the right folder but maybe not the right format?

Anyway here's a linux build of 0.3
https://mega.nz/#!kZ8jFAjT!bTxFm8Zko...elgKMrndH0BNZQ

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So to generate the .vcm files go to the scene you want to generate it for and go to BnG -> Track Tools -> Lightmapper and then click bake on the window that pops up. You'll get a progress bar while that happens and it will close when it's done. Custom music also isn't in at the moment, I've set everything up in preparation but I'm going to be integrating it soon (I mentioned it in the changelog). Ext music just stands for External Music, I was a bit limited to characters on the options menu redesign.

Thanks for sharing a Linux build again! Adding it to the release thread now.

How in the heck do I use the WO3 ships? I have WO3SE, but what team folders are those? I didn't get it. The instructions are not clear. Also those invisible ships....it's like my "F**** YOU ALL!!!! YOU LITTLE F****!! SUCK IT!"

You need to use the OBJ's I shared on on the model extracting thread on the pilots lounge, right now the game doesn't have support for loading the ships from WO3's PBP files. You create a folder in MyShips called WO3 then drag the folders for each team in there.

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You need to use the OBJ's I shared on on the model extracting thread on the pilots lounge, right now the game doesn't have support for loading the ships from WO3's PBP files. You create a folder in MyShips called WO3 then drag the folders for each team in there.

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AAHHHHH.
Okay now I got it, thanks mate... So, how is the AI progress going? :)

It's mostly done, in fixing the problem related to the AI becoming harder at lower framerates I needed to redo all of the settings for the AI which ended up with my adding a few new behaviors and sorting out the overtaking. Going to have a hotfix up soon, just working on a few minors things first.

And done, download here or on the release thread.

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Originally Posted by bigsnake

It's mostly done, in fixing the problem related to the AI becoming harder at lower framerates I needed to redo all of the settings for the AI which ended up with my adding a few new behaviors and sorting out the overtaking. Going to have a hotfix up soon, just working on a few minors things first.

And done, download here or on the release thread.

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Downloading. Will edit after playing.

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So first I've played on Harpstone to do a warm up. first thing I notice is that the AI gave me problems when I was racing. I thought "Well, this seems an improvement...normally I would just blaze through them" and when I say problems, is that they offered a little resistance. It's okay so far.

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NOTE: I did everything with 60FPS Frame Cap, Max Render Distance with Camdmg, FXAA and Tonemap enabled. If anything here changes something and I don't know, be aware I used those settings! Continuing.

So I went ahead and played that dreaded track: Utah Project (insert suspense music here)
First: G-Tek run on Halberd - Took me 2 tries(to first place). The AI wasn't clustering as much in the first lap, in the second lap they seemed more apart. Times they tried to overtake me.
Second: Tenrai run on Halberd - Took me 3 tries(to first place) First run I didn't get satisfied and restarted, second I died, with the third I made it. I had my share of being cheap shotted.

So far, so good. BUT Spectre began showing the face of bullsh**. Prepare. FOR. THE. RANT!!!!

Third: G-Tek run on Spectre - Took me 4 tries(to first place). Here the AI began to show it's arrogance on me: First lap = a impenetrable wall ahead of you. Normally I try to get ahead of the pack so I don't get problems later, but they catch up faster than you can go in a corner(It doesn't help that I'm using a slow ship, but wait until Tenrai). Also they like to be little pricks throw in rockets when they hit your back, mines when you're closing in, and if you're close enough of another ship when doing a tight corner, they'll ram you like a madman, and get away with. This is bullsh**. This really made me mad. by luck on the 4th try I did not die and get first.

Fourth: Tenrai run on Spectre....ugh - Wooping +12(I stopped counting) tries to FINISH the race(once I did I came out first by seconds of quick reaction). ON the first tries, I tried to go ahead of the pack, but as I said, they go faster than I can do a corner, so this means I'm losing time and speed, meanwhile they still go full speed. So for the first tries it was basically an insta reset, because I couldn't focus on getting my racing line right. The AI just didn't let me.I've hit a rocket in a ship in the first lap, and it just bounced. It gave zero craps about it and kept going. On the next tries I've let the AI go ahead. 1 lap seeing nobody, just a tail fin in the horizon. I've restarted a bunch of times, because of the poor shield of Tenrai, and the AI without further notice attacking me did not help it. on the run that I got it right I notice the ships getting far away from each other, also getting slower. "OMG. He tweaked it. HE TWEAKED IT!!!1!!!1111!" I've just found the first racer in the final lap, which is not very nice. Anyways I could get through him and it a wall, and 2 ships came along. 2. What's this, teleporters have been invented? In a matter of seconds of despair I could overtake the 2, BECAUSE THEY WERE TRAILBLAZING. And then FINALLY got to the finish line with a glorious, but suffered 1st place. No pits. Because that pit lane is horibly designed. The track itself punishes you for not knowing how to use the airbrakes, but it's not all that atrocious, but that pit lane doesn't help getting my shields back. And it's easier to lose one or 2 positions entering in that pit. Strangely enough no one was eliminated in that session.

End of the rant.

At least I could go through Utah in Spectre. Still, it's better than before, it's playable, but it's too hardcore, most of the time by cheapness. I'm missing a warning message before getting myself bombed, so i could at least know I was warned that something was coming. I mean, 40% shields, hit in the backside and rocketed. 25% shields."WHADAFU-" Ded. Not big surprise.
Still my major gripe with this game is the AI(my minor is still the collisions...I can get used to it... I guess). But that was at least a major improvement, because intestead of losing all your work up to to the top, you'll lose AT LEAST 1 or 2 positions if you make a big mistake. Keep up the good work.

To the programming errors shall we?
_Menus glitch up if you press the Back button(or B button) rapidly(It repeats the "Go Back" animation) same goes after selecting an option.
_Ship selection menu get overlapped if you select the WipEout ships menu and go back to a previous menu. Once you go back to ship selection letters are overlapped.
_Ships tend still somehow cluster when you overtake them(the case of Spectre. I've over took one, 10 seconds later I've overtaken the other, made a mistake and 2 ships were ahead of me).

The Plasma bolt sound glitch is fixed couldn't test it. I didn't sniff out more stuff because I'm tired right now, so I'll look further on this stuff later.
Cheers :dizzy

Thanks a bunch for the detailed feedback! Just fixed the menu problems, I also noticed you mentioned the lack of a warning for weapons, I'll get that implemented now. I'm going to start tweaking the AI more over the next few days, if you've got the time then I'll keep the current hotfix update with the latest changes. There's also an update to it right now if you want to try it (same link as before), I've toned the AI down on the first lap so you should get a better chance at getting into first place easy much earlier on in the race.

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Originally Posted by bigsnake

Thanks a bunch for the detailed feedback! Just fixed the menu problems, I also noticed you mentioned the lack of a warning for weapons, I'll get that implemented now. I'm going to start tweaking the AI more over the next few days, if you've got the time then I'll keep the current hotfix update with the latest changes. There's also an update to it right now if you want to try it (same link as before), I've toned the AI down on the first lap so you should get a better chance at getting into first place easy much earlier on in the race.

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Okay i'm gonna try it again. But I think you should put a link to the files that have changed, not the whole game again.

One bug I forgot mentioning on my previous post, Auto-Pilot still have issues with those 90 degree turns. I went in the pit on Utah, activated the autopilot but when it was about to exit the the pit, it tried to cut the corner, but failed and kept hitting the wall...I think you should disable the ship collisions when this thing is on...that's at least so this kind of crap doesn't happen. It's annoying when you have an Auto-Pilot but when you need it's extreme cheating bliss, it does slow you down...

and I think I've wrote it worng on the last post, it was supposed to look like this:"Did you fix the plasma bolt sound glitch?" in the end of the post.

Another design choice: You could put a checkered parttern in the final lap. Cuz the words "Final" and "Finish" look alike and with the tracks you don't like you can easily misread the two.

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Originally Posted by Rafeku

Okay i'm gonna try it again. But I think you should put a link to the files that have changed, not the whole game again.

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It's Unity, you HAVE to release the whole game when you change any internal code.

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Originally Posted by Rafeku

Okay i'm gonna try it again. But I think you should put a link to the files that have changed, not the whole game again.

One bug I forgot mentioning on my previous post, Auto-Pilot still have issues with those 90 degree turns. I went in the pit on Utah, activated the autopilot but when it was about to exit the the pit, it tried to cut the corner, but failed and kept hitting the wall...I think you should disable the ship collisions when this thing is on...that's at least so this kind of crap doesn't happen. It's annoying when you have an Auto-Pilot but when you need it's extreme cheating bliss, it does slow you down...

and I think I've wrote it worng on the last post, it was supposed to look like this:"Did you fix the plasma bolt sound glitch?" in the end of the post.

Another design choice: You could put a checkered parttern in the final lap. Cuz the words "Final" and "Finish" look alike and with the tracks you don't like you can easily misread the two.

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Like Xpand just said I gotta ship the whole game even for the smallest changes. I push very regularly to the repo though, so if you wanted to keep up to date with only the individual changes then you can clone that using a git client such as Sourcetree then play the game from inside Unity, pulling only the changes when I make them.

The AI navigation in general is still a bit iffy, you'll notice on Aciknovae that the AI will turn into the corner on the last turn (this is due to the track mesh being a lot lower res then all the other tracks though so the AI look too far ahead). The plasma bolt sound bug is also now fixed :)

I did originally have a pattern on the countdown display, at the time though it was a botch job and very unoptimized since it used tons of individual panels. I might introduce again in the future though, I just need to make an image and scroll that across instead.

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Originally Posted by Xpand

It's Unity, you HAVE to release the whole game when you change any internal code.

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Calm down man, I didn't know. Don't eat me.pwease.
Well the game is basically 200mb, so it's not a big deal. It's just kind of inconvinient.

EDIT: Forget what I've put here plz don't burn me.

Waiting anxiously for the next release :sonar

I could create a slack group for talking in real-time, that would provide both private message and global chatrooms to talk in. I would create a skype group but if you get enough people in it then it will just become a mess, when at least with something like Slack it could be an organised mess.

Well there's always Discord, Steam, Whatsapp... Though I can only enter on Saturdays and Sundays on >my< computer(the only place I could use those programs), which doesn't mean I can't use other one to test your game. Also I've edited my post. I edited my previous post, because I felt I didn't express myself very well.
Can you give me your skype through PM?

Discord is also another good option, I recently started using it so it could also work. Will send you my skype details now :)

Forget what I said about the difficulty. I just suck with faster ships. And was too lucky on the first G-TEK runs. Keep it. I think the game taught me a lesson, but it wasn't too hard either. Sorry again. I should have tested it more, I've just played once... ah crap, hope I didn't make you work for nothing.
I really need to stop with this hype for updates... I want things to go fast... oh crap.. Sorry.

To a better explanation: I went lucky on the runs and assumed it was too easy. I was wrong.
The game is hard, but the AI doesn't feel cheap, now it's mostly my fault. The game feels more like 2097. But harder. Once again sorry for any inconvinience. Also I've added, you on skype, Snake.

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Another thing that came in mind: Those ships needs advertising. They kind look generic without anything in it. ads about the team, logos, a wipeoutzone cameo perhaps.

The game is now on Steam Greenlight! The game will remain to be free, but if you'd like to see it get on Steam then give it a vote :) Link - http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=670836448

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Originally Posted by Rafeku

Forget what I said about the difficulty. I just suck with faster ships. And was too lucky on the first G-TEK runs. Keep it. I think the game taught me a lesson, but it wasn't too hard either. Sorry again. I should have tested it more, I've just played once... ah crap, hope I didn't make you work for nothing.
I really need to stop with this hype for updates... I want things to go fast... oh crap.. Sorry.

To a better explanation: I went lucky on the runs and assumed it was too easy. I was wrong.
The game is hard, but the AI doesn't feel cheap, now it's mostly my fault. The game feels more like 2097. But harder. Once again sorry for any inconvinience. Also I've added, you on skype, Snake.

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Another thing that came in mind: Those ships needs advertising. They kind look generic without anything in it. ads about the team, logos, a wipeoutzone cameo perhaps.

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Don't worry about it, BnG's development as of recently has been about relentless tweaking and it's a lot of fun doing it! Also accepted your friend request :)
Ads on the ships could be something, I don't know though. The style that Xpand has where the liveries don't have sponsors or ads on has already been established. A Wipeoutzone cameo could be good though, something like Draco Cavernae in SSGX where the forum's logo is animated along the side of the track could be cool!

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Originally Posted by bigsnake

The game is now on Steam Greenlight! The game will remain to be free, but if you'd like to see it get on Steam then give it a vote :) Link - http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=670836448



Don't worry about it, BnG's development as of recently has been about relentless tweaking and it's a lot of fun doing it! Also accepted your friend request :)
Ads on the ships could be something, I don't know though. The style that Xpand has where the liveries don't have sponsors or ads on has already been established. A Wipeoutzone cameo could be good though, something like Draco Cavernae in SSGX where the forum's logo is animated along the side of the track could be cool!

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Bear in mind is when I say Ads, I'm saying something like Wip3out. A logo, with possibly the name of the team. IMO the ships feel there's something missing, giving a generic feeling. I mean Scorpio design is a 1:1 copy of goteki.
Anyways, Scorpio and Hyperion stats feel swapped(handling) hyperion handles better than scorpio meanwhile the game says the inverse. G-tek tenrai and diavolt(i think) the stats are right... You could do acheck or change the menu values to match. I know theres something off with theor handling