Jay's Speed Mod

[RJ O'Connell]

(****, that was Wipeout Pulse)

[JABBERJAW]

Xavier, 333 is much better on single race mode, because it is so choppy. but in Time trial, in pulse, there is not much of a difference. However, One method is changing the game, the other is just changing the input.

for the people against this mod, would you rather have it that I am the only one able to do it due to my stupid idiot way of holding the psp? Or for anyone to be able to do it and be on an equal playing field? You certainly could not ban someone who could hold the psp in such a way as to hold the analog stick foward all the time, and drive with the dpad.

this is just another example however of why the physics should try to resemble the older games, so this does not happen.

Rob, were you talking about going through walls? or brake tapping?, both, something else?

[Darkdrium777]

Yes, I'd personally prefer if you were the only one to do it. Why? Because you are actually holding it, and not using some piece of paper (Or tape, etc.).

Also because it's funny when you drop the PSP

[RJ O'Connell]

From what I understand Al has the weirdest hand stucture of any man alive

[Asayyeah]

Rob, were you talking about going through walls? or brake tapping?, both, something else?

Brake tapping ... who's got that stupid idea ?

[JABBERJAW]

no more slipping xavier, tape on the leg to hold other side of the psp (woohooo).

[Frances_Penfold]

http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/sho...0&postcount=30

Prior to that accomplishment, I was sitting at the top of that table for at least two months (my run was virtually flawless; a mere half second separates us). Immediately after said mod was announced, I was subsequently throttled on other tracks I held first place positions on as well. Metropia White Phantom (race) and Vertica White Phantom (race) to name two. The one thing I can tell you for certain is that after the mod was made known, there was a noticeable flurry of activity on the record tables that saw either myself or Kandang shifted out of first place positions at a rate incomparable to what happened before it.

Err... truth is that I should have payed more attention to the Pulse tables before commenting on long-term effects of the mod Mostly I play Pure these days, which has a longer history but fewer active players. From what you describe, it does seem that the mod is having some effect for the highest ranked players at Pulse. I still doubt that it's a big deal outside of the very top ranks because there are multiple seconds separating out folks across the length of the table.

Then why can't we say the same about Custom Firmware? I'm sorry folks but let's just forget the fact that Colin and Egg come over here and may not like such discussion (specially if it involves illegal activities, which I understand) for a few seconds and think about it...
Does 333Mhz really provided that much of an advantage? Like you said for the speed mod, is it the 333Mhz that makes the pilot better, or constant practise, hitting all the BRs (If you practise enough, you can get them all without 333Mhz), finding the perfect racing line, etc.?

Just echoing what Jabberjaw said-- running at 333Mhz really changes any part of the game suffering from frame rate problems, e.g., single races, because barrel rolls are frame rate dependent. The effect on time trials is much more modest, of course. Personally, I think that modification to firmware or software is a profoundly different issue than a controller modification because the latter is something that CAN be achieved by an unaltered controller if one had the desire to do so.

In any case, the WOZ community seems to have a truce regarding the CFW/OFW issue, whereas people are really upset about using a piece of tape to hold the "up" button down. So if we are being "consistent" I would say that both should be allowed in the tables

[Asayyeah]

i have talked to few members here about CFW and WZ tables : most of them think like me , we shall maybe authorize CFW into the tables, since now many psp owners are using CFW.
But it's not into my hands but Rob yes

[Mad-Ice]

First of all; my respect goes out to Flashback_Jack and his records on Talons Junction White and Metropia White (TT) made without the tip. But my question is: do you use CFW or not?

Even before this tip I was having top spots too on the record tables of Wipeout-game.com. I really would like to know if KANDANG is using this tip and CFW or not? But anyway, now that this tip is out we will never know who is using it or not. I think with so many people using CFW and maybe this tip too we will have difficulties to determine which record is made with or without CFW or with or without the tip. What I do know is: if you are using the tip, you will have the possibility to come really close to the lowest possible time. So if everyone is using this you will never have doubts whenever your records are beaten whether this person is using it or not.

[Lance]

So if everyone can cheat in the same way and they all have the will to do so, there will be a level playing field. I see.

[Frances_Penfold]

^^
Well, do you have a better solution?

As an aside, I grimace a little to hear the taped-nose-tip and CFW described as cheating, I think that is an overstatement.

[xEik]

So if everyone can cheat in the same way and they all have the will to do so...

I don't have the will. I can't be bothered. Which also means I don't plan to enter my Pulse records any time soon.
Competing in the WO3 tables was fun. Even if I never flied through walls I stood a chance in many circuits.
Competing in the PSP tables doesn't sound like it is fun. It sounds like a chore. I'll simply play the games for the fun of it and forget about records.

Rant over.

[Darkdrium777]

So if everyone can cheat in the same way and they all have the will to do so, there will be a level playing field. I see.

I'm neither for or against the approval of both. Either way I will be perfectly happy (I will still come here, regardless of the fact that I'm allowed to post records or not, as I have done from since the time I registered). The only thing I'm going for is "equal treatment". CFW and that mod provide you with a certain advantage. The real question we have to ask ourselves now is: "Should we allow the players that have one or both advantages to post records here, or are only OFW-No Mod records the way to go?" Considering the previous answer to that question regarding CFW alone, I think the answer is that OFW and No Mod is the way to go. But again that is up to Rob to decide.

I have one request however: it's that Mad_Ice removes his 'modded' times for the time being. They have sparked much controversy and I too agree with the fact that it is a bit of a low punch to Flashback_Jack who has not used this mod.

[Flashback Jack]

I have one request however: it's that Mad_Ice removes his 'modded' times for the time being.

Not necessary. I shall overcome, eventually.

- F

[lunar]

While I agree with Xeik re-the pleasures of competing on Pulse tables at the moment, I want to applaud the honesty of guys like Mad-Ice, Asa, Al and Task who openly discuss this "speed mod". These are the kind of people who make these tables work because they are more interested in fair play than glory. Mad-Ice could have just submitted his times and kept quiet about how he got them, but he didn`t. What could anyone have done about it? He would put himself in a strong position on the tables, but instead came here and discussed it openly. Keeping quiet is a good enough strategy for some, but Mad-Ice is an honest person, as is Asa. Sometimes the honest people get picked on for their honesty; that`s the way of the world. I want to thank them for discussing issues that need to be discussed, including the cfw issue.

[JABBERJAW]

Rob has already said that the tape thing was legal, so noone should have to remove their times. It has also been said the game is not supposed to be played at 333, so unless he changes his mind, that is what we can enter atm.

[lunar]

In a nutshell, that`s about it, yes

[phl0w]

Why don't you just use a pin? Holds better (in any direction you want the nub to point) and can easier be positioned/ removed.
http://localhostr.com/files/832229/pin1.jpg
http://localhostr.com/files/183e20/pin2.jpg
http://localhostr.com/files/94d411/pin3.jpg

I'd rather not keep it in my pocket, though.

[Darkdrium777]

Al: But is the game supposed to be played with the tape/paper/whatever gimmick or contraption you use blocking the analog stick forward? I think not.

You are free to do as you please however, and play this game with the thing taped, just as snaking in F-Zero gives you a speed boost, just for the sake of competition. But is this really what WipEout is about? Competition for the sake of competition? Can't we just have some fun playing together, competition being second to that? This type of thing will only increase rivalries if we allow it, and do we need to be stressed when talking to each other? I think not. Here we are discussing this in a civil manner. Do you think this could happen if we had tense rivalries between each other? No.

However as I said do as you please, but I hereby announce that I will take no part in it. Should such a 'mod' be present in any way shape or form in the next conventions, put me on the list of those 'absent'. Meeting you guys is a real pleasure, but I fear that such pleasure will be destroyed for the sake of achieving the best time or coming in first...

Let me put it differently one more time, and this is I believe the real true vision I have of this game. I think that WipEout, being competitive and all that, is special because we get to meet each other, and the game should be more about pushing ourselves forward to get more out of the game, and enjoy more of the time we spend chasing ourselves furiously on the tracks. I think that all games should be fun first, and competitive second. Some people may disagree, and I respect that, but that's just how I see it. And especially with Wipeout. The conventions I think are the perfect example: they're fun; and then they're a tournament. I honestly believe it's not the way around, and I certainly hope it will never become like that.
While I'm certainly good at the game and enjoy the fact that in some places I'm in the top ten on WipEout Game, I am being honest when I say that I enjoy more the time I spend reaching this record. If you're doing records for the sake of records, I don't think it's right... Same thing with my Uncharted Platinum trophy. Yes, I am happy that I got it. But I think I enjoyed more my four playthroughs through the game than the moment I heard the small chime and saw the "You have earned a Trophy: Platinum" message. In fact I am pretty damn 110% sure I did.

[JABBERJAW]

One thing I would like to see is for people to try something before they say it is crap. The game really does play alot better this way, because you can still overide the foward motion, and you don't have to constantly hold the stick foward, which sucks playing that way. just save on a diff mem card. Jay was already using this mod at my tourney, and I do not feel like telling him to take off the tape.

seriously though, if this is not used, everyone will try and constanly hold that damn dpad foward all of the time, and we all know how much fun that is, meaning none. If it is disallowed at the tourney, I can do it anyway without tape (and no more falling off my leg!!), so it should be allowed for everyone. this also takes away some of the horror of playing wipeout with a dpad

One thing I do not get though is the argument about best times, all it does is make everyone's best time 2-5(if you never push foward) seconds faster if you just put the tape on, so it is not degrading anything, just wastes some more of your time trying for records.

On a side note about fzero snaking, that makes the game play really f'ing stupid, and it looks terrible, which is why I don't play it, especially after i watched Eric race that way. Ask him for my first reaction quote