The Wipeout HD Cup

[IDReaper]

No you're right, morfeo has achieved level 101. Every now and then we bump into each other online. He has the speed for phantom but I think he prefer's rapier or flash if I'm not mistaken?

@MegaGeeza22
Go for it =D not being a seed is just fine too, worked for me in the avalon cup ;D

I have to make sure my camera is working and my playlist is huge for this, starting now xD.

[blackwiggle]

The seeded list would have some names that would be unfamiliar to people that weren't playing HD when it first came out, there are a few "Out of retirement" pilots that wouldn't have been seen online in a very long time, at least 12 months, some longer.
They were chosen as seeds for a reason, basically because the are consistently very fast.
If they are still any good after such a long absence I guess we shall find out.

The tournament is all supposed to be just a BIG FUN GG to celebrate Wipeout and how it has brought us all together to play a game we all love.

I'm not that competitive to worry about my possible progress in the tournament, or who I might end up racing once the draw is done, it really doesn't matter to me.

It shouldn't really matter to anybody who understands the spirit in what this tournament is all about.

[Aeroracer]

perfectly said ..

[OBH]

It's not the winning, it's not even the taking part,

It's just beating Yeldar

[Aeroracer]

well for me its about seeing some of these seeded french p***heads pass out during their deciding race cos they overdid the wine and special ciggarettes and managing to catch the whole event on video..

[IDReaper]

@OBH

Truth! Hopefully I'll make it far enough to get that chance. Just gotta be cool and look out for the ninjas that are out there.

[ONlock]

When I entered I thought it would be all the names in a hat, 2 picked out and
they play, whoever thay are. That was fair in my mind - it gave the underdog a
chance.

I understand what you mean.. If I were to arrange a cup myself and didn't know how to set things up, this would seem like a good alternative to me. It seems to me like you have jumped to a conclusion that the system is bad, without the knowledge of how competitions in general are played. That's just what it seems like to me. But then again, I way be wrong.

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The problem with two names out of a hat:

To make the competition most enjoyable for the people playing and for the eager ones that follow the competition, the last thing you want is to randomly pick out the two best players in the entire competition to face each other in the first round. While it will most likely be a good show then and there, you really wanna save those extra-special races for the finals. With two names out of a hat, you can get this problem. I can't really find any positive things about this system.

Seeding system:

The way to avoid the above mentioned scenario is to seed players, simply based on their skill. While this is a superficial way of arranging a cup. It's clearly the best, and is used in most competitions in the world. It gives almost everyone an enjoyable experience, and following the progression of the competition becomes an evermore exiting affair for the viewer. A negative side of this method is probably the seeds itself, but that is if they are misunderstood. When you hear that a competition is going to have seeds, it only means that the competition is trying it's best to be fun and balanced, and not trying to create a gap between the newbies and the elite.

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I won't bother going into to much detail, but that's just the basic premise of it.

And you say: "it gave the underdog a chance." A chance of what? Winning the tourney? Yes, actually. Your "two name out of a hat" system could potentially grant a very inexperienced player the title of winner of the entire tourney, if they only met low skilled opponents, and all the top players eliminated each other during the first rounds. But then you have to ask yourself: Did the winner really deserve it?

Props to kanar again for being an awesome guy, and for everything you did/do for this commuinty. You honestly couldn't have done anything better when it comes to how you handle this cup, and I mean it! Thank you.

[ProblemSolver]

... Props to kanar again for being an awesome guy, and for everything you did/do for this commuinty. You honestly couldn't have done anything better when it comes to how you handle this cup, and I mean it! Thank you.

Fully signed. I feel the passion kanar is into and this is so great. Dedication,
for me, is the only thing to wake up for. Anything else is secondary.

[R3BU5ER]

For now, none of the uncomfirmed pilots of the Merlin group have replied to my message... But we'll wait some more.

[QjonPL]

To make the competition most enjoyable for the people playing and for the eager ones that follow the competition, the last thing you want is to randomly pick out the two best players in the entire competition to face each other in the first round. While it will most likely be a good show then and there, you really wanna save those extra-special races for the finals. With two names out of a hat, you can get this problem. I can't really find any positive things about this system.

That's why in fighting games tournaments the Double Elimination ladder is used, but in our case it'd make whole event muuuuuchhhhhh longer, so imo it's fine as it is.

[yeldar2097]

It's not the winning, it's not even the taking part,

It's just beating Yeldar

Nice to to know I have you cheering me on OBH. I held a DS3 the other day, felt right awkward in my hands

[akirapill]

I understand where your comming from with the seeding system ONlock, but for
me personally, knowing which group I'd be in and knowing who I can beat in
there and who I'm more than likely to lose against just takes the fun out of it
for me, I just can't see the point of going through the motions. I know I'm not
the best and I wasn't expecting to get into the final, but I can see how I'm
going to go out before I've even started and it depresses me. I said this to
Rezatron last night, I'm de-motivated. And I know it's more about the taking
part, but it's just not fun for me. The names out of a hat system would keep
me interested, not knowing who I'm upagainst next I'd be involved in it and I'd
just except it.

[Ota]

hey guys'n gals.
just answered on the psn.
sorry, it took a while, but i had to confirm that i'm here by end of the year.
going straight to altitude training now.
b.t.w. thanks for all the fuzz.
this is going to be fun.

[kanar]

no worries there Ota, we're still at 1 month of the start. KGB I affected under_the_mayo on your board (confirmed). Thanks for your kind words guys btw.

[akirapill]

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[JJPAP]

Maybe I should shut just my mouth, but Akiparill why act (in this thread) - when you´ve already decided not to participate in the WOHDC (and I´m honestly sorry for that!) - like the strange man entering every single chapter of Kiezlowski´s Decalog without any reasonable purpose?
I´m pretty sure you´ll meet a lot of "Seeded" (and extremely good and uberfast "Un-Seeded" pilots) if you go online in the evening around 21-22 GMT or later. Mostly pretty relaxed people, who doesn´t bother too much if they loose a race or ten.
Personally: Just send a Friend´s Request through PSN and we can practice when ever I (and you) have the time: Mostly monday and friday mornings, tuesday around noon - even sometimes in the evening, when the kids are sleeping quitely and the missus don´t overrule my need to occupy the telly.
But don´t forget to invite the "Un-Seeded" pilots for your practicing as well! After all: We´re All ("Seeded" or "Un-Seeded") Friends in Speed!

Aki, you could even do a new "Invitational Thread", ´cause this thread is all about the Grand Fiesta of gathering as much wipers, interested in ... Well, having a party - because of their dedication to WipEout.

[KGB]

Just looking at the seeds and hacenetchik wasn't made one ( I did vote for you mate ) Watch out he's super fast. Glad I won't be racing him.

[Darkdrium777]

I just had a thought that the seeded players should ignore your request akirapill but maybe I'm too much of an asshole.
They can decide on their own based on what you said about them after all.

Now I'm gonna be a bit more friendly and if you want to play with people in the 1v1 environment of the cup (but without the cup part) there's this thread.

[SaturnReturn]

hacenetchik was one of my seeds as well. There are some others not on there that I had chosen too. QjonPL and Jav are two others that spring to mind, lus loads more I couldn't have due to my initial list of over 100 seed choices But it was a fairly robust system, so if our choices didn't end up as seeds then I guess we just have to assume we know better than the others.

I'm looking at the seedings and marlin buzzard divisions look like the toughest from where I'm sitting. Possibly with buzzards being the very toughest. Luxo, Wellington, Greenix, Elois are all ridiculously fast. Then the other four - fabimus, imre, onlocke, morfeo - are also very fast, but additionally killer online players, That is some scary stuff.

I think it's fun to look at the chart and see who you might face, and to cheer on their opposition along the way.

[Aeroracer]

just occured to me what this seeded problem is..
what they should of done is an unseeded list of 64 players.they probally would of but couldnt find enough rubbish players to put on it.problem with wipeout is nearly everyone is fantastic at playing.chances are that those who are not will be as they really only have to be good on there 3 tracks and the default one to beat their opponent.
in theory if you were good enough you could say to your opponent "hey look we will just assume you won all your races so lets just do mine and then win the default race.shame i would never be in a position to do so but im sure there are a few who could comfortably do this.