If they hadn't released it on PSN first, released it on blue ray to the shops instead and made the 45 quid they could have on each sale, they'd have never introduced adverts.
Zone Pilot
If they hadn't released it on PSN first, released it on blue ray to the shops instead and made the 45 quid they could have on each sale, they'd have never introduced adverts.
Extreme Pilot
Based on what you've said ProblemSolver, would it not be possible to use the PS3's/a router's proxy server function to go through a server in an ad-free country? The idea of blocking the advert server's address seems better though. I'd only go about blocking them if they start freezing my PS3 or slowing it down, I couldn't stand having to put up with a faulty product.
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Venom Pilot
I am really pissed off.
Advertising in a game that I bought over a year ago without any advertising.
This really is a nerve. They should have made a declaration to all the choice whether one wants to accept advertising in the game or not.
The question asked was, however not before.
I find it to be used no matter what the revenue of advertising, the game with the expansion Fury was not really free.
I hope that Sony will reconsider the whole.
This will probably never happen.
INFINITY_1
Rapier Pilot
Argh! Localized Ads incoming.
After multiple Ghostbusters, PSP, GT trash today I got
'The Ultimate Rocky Collection'
Rocky as in Rocky Balboa, the Italian Stallion boxing flics now on BluRay WTF! In 2097 (+/-) they are still interested in Rocky. How lame is this
It's time to start the 'ultimate WOHD ads from all over the world' thread
Vector Pilot
C4U, are they mute? (Is the spelling correct? lol i mean without noise haha)
Still haven´t downloaded the patch. It´s hard because i want to play online
Rapier Pilot
Nah, they're LOUD
Zone Pilot
This is disgusting, frankly. How is Rocky "sympathetic" to the Wipeout experience? This is how to show zero respect for your customers. If Sony had any respect for us we would be allowed to opt out of adverts by switching them off, particularly as they are at best a very shady and greedy add on to the game, even if legal.
I know we have all assumed that Sony must have covered their backs with Terms and Conditions on this, but can someone point to where they did this? Where are these covering clauses that mean we have no redress? As far as I am concerned I made a one-time transaction with HD and Fury to buy those products. Me watching advertisements has a value, therefore now Sony are adding to the transaction in a way I could not have expected. They are effectively asking me to pay more than the original price and adding to the transaction. How can they do this? Can I regard it as a broken contract?
They may exist, but exactly where are the terms and conditions that allow this advertising to take place and which allow the game to be altered in this way.
Rapier Pilot
@lunar : Yeah. If anyone can actually find the full text of the user agreement I would very much like to know where, since it is a legal requirement in Norway that it be easily accessible at all times.
Apart from that, looks like they're just getting started :
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/...0News/2602444/
(Double Fusion was the company behind the last round of ads in HD.)
And to cover my ass topic-wise - I hate the ads and I've had one crash since the update.
Zone Pilot
WipEout HD Cup - Quarter Finalist
Veteran Pilot
Well I finally caved and downloaded the update...oh god how I wish I hadn't
I thought there was meant to be more than 1 advert? All I get is some Rocky collection bunter.
Actually once I got one advertising PS3 which I found hilarious seeing as they must know I already have one, especially because they're shafting us with said advert on a PS3...
Loading times are atrocious and I'm also getting way more micro-freezes than before, and some added FPS issues -_-
Not impressed
Vector Pilot
It seems this is it. But how are we supposed to understand that. We need a Lawyer.
I guess I´m ready to stop playing Wipeout for a while. Until this sh1t has been removed from this great game.
Zone Pilot
Well found, that might be it, but how do I know this relates to Wipeout HD when I buy it? I went through the process of buying HD, short of actually confirming with the last press of x, and didn`t see anything linking me to terms and conditions that would apply to Wipeout HD.Originally Posted by mdhay
I`m still not sure there is anything covering their backsides in law, they may just be relying on the fact that no-one will take this to a court, which they won`t. Even if Sony are covered in law, their slap in the face to their customers tells its own story. We know we are right. This hasn`t caused so much outrage for no reason, and we can vote with our wallets and I won`t be pressing that last x to anything on the PSN or any product advertised in HD while these adverts exist.
Unbelievable.... that one almost blew my Ironometer.
WipEout HD Cup - Quarter Finalist
Veteran Pilot
Glad someone else got that Lunar
Ad-snippet: "The game is only the beginning"
Does that mean we're going to get ads in XMB now too?
Phantom Pilot
I know what everyone should do. it may be hard for some and i expect many to disagree....but:
Don't play online, delete the update, or even wipeout hd altogether. you can always download it again later...once it's fixed, or if you can't take it anymore.
find something else to play. This is the only language they will understand. If they see this reaction from the core fanbase, they may act and do the right thing.
it's sad, but it's quite clear people play games to leave the real world and be imersed in another world and gaming experience, for the joy of entering another world or excapsm from this one. This is taking a lot of that feeling away.
Phantom Pilot
@DawnFireDragoon
Totally agree with you, dude! There should be a general consensus from the vast majority of players, new or veteran, about boycotting WipEout online to stir up the butts of Sony's officials. Personally, i didnt played online since a full-week. Many of my friends on the tracks can acknowledge this: W5LX, Boo4ever, Vart, TCK, CoatlKetzal, DeepMix, etc.
But unfortunately, the chances of slightly attracting their attention to this issue is pretty null. Sony is greedy, nothing new about that. Just like Micro$oft and Capcom. They give you the impression they care about your satisfaction as being a customer of their products, but its bull****. There's a lot of examples, but the recent ads in WO issue is the best demonstration of my statement. No consultation EVER about such a thing, even after we PAID, and gladly did, for the great game WipEout HD/Fury is. They forced that upon us.
I can bet you my next paycheck that if they ever retaliate to such opposition, they will sustain their statements by the fact that we don't pay for online play, that revenues must come from somewhere, and that since a some players dont seem to be bothered by the ads and fail to see that implementing advertising in an already paid product is a direct outrage and a disrespectful slur to consumer's consideration and rights, they will say that it doesn't seem to be such a big problem since people continue to play it and buy it.
Still, i salute your dedication to the rightful principles and values you profess.
Rapier Pilot
mdhay : I think that's their eula for their PC software, at least I couldn't find any reference to the PSN there. I did however find this :
http://legaldoc.dl.playstation.net/p..._tosua_en.html
which I'm pretty sure is the right one. I even read it, and it's so vague they've pretty much covered every angle, and the link to the up-to-date version is dead... Only thing that pops out is the talk about 'Additional Conditions' :
Certain content and services accessible through PSN may have specific additional conditions ("Additional Conditions"), for example, specific rules for certain games and usage rights for content. Please read these carefully as these Additional Conditions will also form part of your contract with us and may change from time to time. In the event of any conflict between these Conditions and the Additional Conditions, the Conditions will apply.
The only conditions for use I can find in-game is in the online portion of the game, which means it doesn't count since I've just seen ads doing campaign-races.
Phantom Pilot
Boycotting the advertisers might raise an eyebrow or two in some places, but refusing to play the game will not get anyone's attention. If Sony sold zero copies of Wipeout from this day forward, and no one played online of offline, I don't think they'd have a problem. That's the sentiment I get from their so brazenly putting ads in a game that's a year old. "Fine, quit the game, see if I care."
I already knew they didn't care, though. They're Sony. They care about money and delivering product, not caring for people. This is not entirely a bad thing. I don't particularly want to be friends with Sony. I'm content with their supplying me functional equipment and content at prices I'm willing and able to pay.
If they find out that a number of us are willing and able to pay for a DLC that will remove ads in an amount that's greater than what they would otherwise earn through the ads, they might release one.
$$$ > $$
That is the language they understand.
WipEout HD Cup - Quarter Finalist
Veteran Pilot
Cool adverts = win
85% Rocky, 15% Buy a PS3 = lose
I have a PS3 and Rocky can suck ma chudz.
I personally think that no matter how dimwitted Sony think their audience is, showing the same adverts over and over and over and over and over and over again is taking it just a little too far. We get it, we should buy a PS3 and Rocky on Blu-Ray, now leave us alone. Please?
Extreme Pilot
Yes, that should work. Take NightArh for example, he lives in the Ukraine and
he doesn't get any ads by now;
You can at least download patch 2.10 without having to see all the ads while... Still haven´t downloaded the patch. It´s hard because i want to play online
playing offline. Here is how it works. Download patch 2.10 and as soon as
the installation process has finished (before the game starts again) plug-off
the ethernet cable from your PS3 to get (temporarily) disconnected from the
PSN. Now quit the game and put the cable back in to sign-out of the PSN. As
along as you stay away from the PSN you can play WipEout with patch 2.10
applied and without having to see all the ads. If you sign-in while the game is
running, a hidden XMB background download is started that downloads all the
ads. Note: The ads are stored (internally) within the WipEout HD folder. Hence,
they can be deleted from disc upon deleting WipEout altogether.
@lunar: Up to my point of view, I think that integrating ads into an already
paid product afterwards cannot be legal. We bought a product that offers Online
Play right from the get-go. But later on we have to pay, by viewing ads, to
play online. Ok, we don't have to agree on the terms and conditions of patch
2.10, but this would remove an integral component of the game we already paid
for, i.e. Online Play. So I can't see how such an action can be legal.
@DrMannevond: I've already read a lot about this company. I'm going to post
some interesting stuff quite soon.
Phantom Pilot
I just watched the behind-the-scenes video of WHD that's available on PSN and as they kept talking about how great and revolutionary the game was, I kept trying to imagine them saying "with ads" and "which is why we're so excited to put ads in it" etc.
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