Yes, understood. I still think it should be one team per nation. But I understand the intention to not unfairly exclude people, and a proposal such as yours seems a reasonable way to do this while not giving any one nation an advantage over others.
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Zone Pilot
Yes, understood. I still think it should be one team per nation. But I understand the intention to not unfairly exclude people, and a proposal such as yours seems a reasonable way to do this while not giving any one nation an advantage over others.
Zone Pilot
It is still 1 team per nation in DIVISION 1. Teams from DIVISION 2 can not earn more points then teams from DIVISION 1. So countries with only 1 team will have no disadvantages.
Zone Pilot
Well thought out Mad-Ice.
We need to set this in stone so there can be no argument. Do we do decide amongst our selves who is in which division or do we qualify.
We should act soon as this could still take ages to organize Perhaps EPSILON should have the final say as it's his baby.
We may never agree on everything between us all so there will have to be compromise along the way.
Zone Pilot
Thanks KGB, indeed it is EPSILON's baby! I think each country should be free to chose their way of qualifying!
Zone Pilot
ok.
Do we need to list all countrys intending to participate HERE, or do we join Epsilons group and organise it from there. ( I can think for myself normallybut would like the majority to agree where this is happening).
There were not many members in Epsilons group ( http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/group.php?groupid=16 )last time i checked maybe people don't know whats happening yet.
Last edited by KGB; 8th February 2009 at 07:12 PM.
Rapier Pilot
@KGB1971 : It is not my baby ^^
I just propose a idea to create this Worldcup and create a logo, it is the Baby of all of you :=)
The Worldcup Group has been created last night so we have time to see in the futur the difference, I hope ^^ This group represent all pilots who wants to participate, to have all name with only 1 click.
if you want to organise it on this group Tell me, what do you think, Here or to the Worldcup Group ? (Question for all).
@Mad-Ice : I try my best to translate your post ^^
I find your Division Idea is Excellent but it make some problem too.
1- The country who have not several Team will be disadvantage. France - 3 minimum Team and another just one...
2- I'm agree with SaturnReturn, a Worldcup include the best National Wiper.
For example :
Division 1 : England Win, France loose
Division 2 : France Win, England loose
Divison 3 : France Win, England Loose
It means that the best team loose and they are saved by the other teams who are less strong.
Is it really representative of a World Cup?
it is a good concept to do this but is anybody agree with it ?
to conclude, your solution will play a maximum of pilots but unbalance countries have less pilots.
but maybe I misunderstood your post, my english is so catastrophic.........
Last edited by EPSILON; 9th February 2009 at 12:58 AM.
Zone Pilot
i can appreciate only wanting the cream of the crop for each nation, but then we'll either need the same 4 players each game ( with real life guaranteed to interfere ) or we'll have reserve players sitting around doing nothing.
i think divisions will work only if everyone agrees..... im not certain on this, but i dont think many british / french players would willingly want to compete outside the top tier.
Zone Pilot
I made this rule, because I got the feeling from a lot of pilots that they wanted more teams per nation in the top League. To be honest, I only made this rule to satisfy everybody, but I'd rather not use this rule and would only want 1 team per nation in DIVISION 1 and that this DIVISION 1 will give the fastest Wipeout HD team of the world.Originally Posted by Mad-Ice
Eventhough my solution is having a maximum amount of pilots it will not unbalance countries with less pilots!
1- The country who have not several Team will be disadvantage. France - 3 minimum Team and another just one...
2- I'm agree with SaturnReturn, a Worldcup include the best National Wiper.
For example :
Division 1 : England Win, France loose
Division 2 : France Win, England loose
Divison 3 : France Win, England Loose
It means that the best team loose and they are saved by the other teams who are less strong.
Is it really representative of a World Cup?
it is a good concept to do this but is anybody agree with it ?
to conclude, your solution will play a maximum of pilots but unbalance countries have less pilots.
but maybe I misunderstood your post, my english is so catastrophic.........
Rapier Pilot
Ok Made-Ice, this is my bad english translation
I think it is the only solution to have a REAL Worlcup on Wipeout HD. Off courses many pilots become substitutes but if I compare to Football, One team Represent the country but not all the best country Footballer...
Last edited by EPSILON; 9th February 2009 at 07:26 PM.
Moderator
Zone Pilot
Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have an "official" registration thread, e.g. for individuals to state they want to take part and which team they want to play for (with a deadline for registration)? Then someone can compile the countries and we can look at miscellaneous teams and so on. A lot of people have expressed interest already I know, bur several people have options for which country they could play for. In addition, a lot of us are probably assuming that certain people will take part but they might not be available. I know there are the social groups, but these are kind of hidden on the forum.
I just think until there is a definitive list of participants we may be getting ahead of ourselves a bit.
Zone Pilot
Registration for HD World Cup
I hope this is fine with everyone.
Might as well start it off.
ENGLAND
kgb1971 ------ OLOuk ---------- Judas
Hellfire -------- Andybob35 ----- Peh-Hok
Greenix ------- Wellington ------ Axel
Amorbis ------- Lunar
FRANCE
EPSILON ------- Nyctalopian ------ Leungbok
Kanar ---------- Spoon56 -------- Asayyeah
Kaori ---------- Wotan998
Asymeel ------- Kingheim
SCOTLAND
Stin
Osama bin haydn
PORTUGAL
Xtriko
CANADA
mjolnir74
Redscar
Darkdrium777
NETHERLANDS
Mad-ice
SaturnReturn
Luxoflux
AnErare
ANZAC
Blackwiggle
KIGO1987
djKyoto
trentdf
JAPAN
Aka-sho ------ suurenko
rerealm ------- ossama
Edelweiss ---- reach-big7
hn9354
U.S.A
TheFrostE
cerium
feisar31
LOUDandPROUD
ITALY
alterego
il_NIK
NORDIC
Tordmulen ------- Zoth-Ommog
Chaos80
JJPAP
Soccermums
Anyone interested post here and I'll update. It can be moved elsewhere if needs be.
Last edited by KGB; 23rd February 2009 at 12:13 PM.
Veteran Pilot
How's this for an idea?
Each country to have one division 1 team who only plays the other countries division 1 teams.
If a country has too many players,rotate the players.
The countries like France ,England etc.
If a player plays in the first round of the division 1 round ,make it that they can't play in the next division 1 round,they can play in division 2 or 3.
Depending how many divisions each country has,they would have to play in each division before playing in division 1 again.
Likewise after playing in division 1 again,back through the lower divisions before again playing in Div 1.
Keep the divisions separate,you don't want a country with 4 or 5 players [only a division 1 team obviously] having to play another countries division 2 or 3 team.
What would be the point of that once it got to the knockout stages of the tournament?
Say there was an upset and one of the large nations division 1 teams got knocked out.
What are you going to do?
Say it's OK,they can still win the world cup because they still have Div 2 and 3 still in the tournament.
What would be the point of holding the W/Cup in the first place?
I don't see the points system working,mainly because of the sheer lopsided weight of numbers [racers] to some teams.
More division teams = more points it's as simple as that, no matter how you do the pointing system,the small teams just won't be competitive,and I don't think that's fair.
Zone Pilot
At Blackwiggle: I do not understand your post?
What do you mean with small teams?
The point system will work fine! Countries with more teams will not have an advantage.
Each DIVISION will have a winner seperately. DIVISION 1 will be having the World Wipeout HD winner. The best and fastest team of the world.
DIVISION 2 will have a seperate winner too, but not the world champion of course and the points won't be added to the DIVISION 1 team.
There will be no knockout stage, because all teams will race eachother. So all teams from DIVISION 1 will race against eachother.
Also all teams from DIVISION 2 will race against eachother. And so on...
Rapier Pilot
@KGB1971 : Great, this is what I want, A List of Country Pilots to see in 5s the complete WorldCup Pilots Selection
For France you can register :
- Nyctalopian
- Spoon56
And I contact Kaori to have a list a Wipeout Arena Pilots who wants to come too ^^ (susch as Kingheim, Leungbok, Wotan, Expitarius and more) but don't register us, I want to have the confirmation before.
Good job KGB1971
Zone Pilot
I know people can see a problem with multiple teams from one country. But i still think it is the easiest and most simple way to do it. With a little bit of thought I'm sure by using a knock out system we can eliminate the possibility of two teams from the same country meeting in the final.
What if say we had 4 groups of 3 teams.
Each team plays the other in group once.
8 races with weapons 8 without.
Highest points from these races automatically goes through to next round.
That would mean 4 would go through.
The two next highest points scores who didn't go through automatically would also qualify.
That would then mean we had 6 teams.
They are split into another two groups of 3.
(if one country had more than 1 team through, then they should be put together in a group).
10 races with, 10 without.
Highest and second highest points go through again automatically.
That would give us 4 teams.
(if one country had more than one team through, then they should be put together in semi-final).
12 races with, 12 without.
winners through to final.
The Final
All 16 tracks with weapons, 16 without.
What do you think?
I'm sure something like this could easily work with more teams if needs be.
If i could of drawn it out and put it on here then i would of done it, but i haven't a clue how to do that. Someone could maybe do it or tell me how.
Mind you we are still short of players and teams.
Last edited by KGB; 10th February 2009 at 08:32 AM.
Phantom Pilot
Hi All.
For Italy you can register 'alterego' (online 'alteregorr'), but I'm soooo lonely in this team!
I must/can call il_Nik, but inside the zone I don't know other Italian HD pilots....
read you soon
cdrom
ps I started TIF (The Italian Flyers) and inside the Zone the Team Italy, but as you can see, I'm the only member
The TIF is composed by Pure and Pulse Pilots for now.....I think...only me and il_Nik are the HD italian team. I must write some pm.....it's better.....
Last edited by alterego; 10th February 2009 at 12:44 PM.
Veteran Pilot
alterego:
I have an Italian WOHD pilot that is very good on my friends list called LZRakaMAD.
I haven't seen him racing for a while [I think after he got Transcendence a few months ago he lost interest a bit],try shooting a friends request to him telling him he's needed for the world cup [he might have a few fellow countrymen that can help build a team Italy],and I'll message him saying that I know you from the Wipeoutzone.
MAD ICE: Well I must of read your original post suggesting the points system wrong,the way understood it the points from all of a countries divisions were going to be added together.
I'll reread it again and see if it sinks in this time.
Zone Pilot
At Blackwiggle: I edited my post again. I deleted one of the rules which made a vagueness. I think it is much more clear now and ready to go if everyone agrees? Page 8 of this thread.
At KGB: if you are using groups and a knockout system, some teams might face a very strong team in the first few races. They will not have a chance against other teams to score more points. If we will use my rules every fastest country team will have the same chances and races every other team. This way we really get a very clear picture about how fast teams are compared to eachother.
Moderator
Zone Pilot
Mad-Ice's system works for me (in my head at least, I've not crunched any numbers on paper or anything). It seems like there is both the expilcit weighting that Mad-Ice mentions, and also the implicit weighting due to naturally having less teams in lower divisions. Less teams means less matches overall which means less points available. Therefore the scores for countries with teams in lower divisions will have a smaller effect and as such should only matter at all if the nations finishing first and second in Division 1 are extremely close on points at the end of it all (and both have teams in multiple divisions), which is how it should be.
If a nation with only 1 team in Division 1 finishes top, they win the World Cup.
This is on the basis that nations consider themselves to have multiple world class teams. That's a decision for each country/region to make itself.
That's how I understand it (I hope I'm not wrong or I will look sooooo stupid).
Extreme Pilot
i am lonely as welli know there are more excellent USA Wipers other than me
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