Wipeout World Cup 2009

[kaori]

I think each team should do how it want to select its players.
Choose a captain / a coach, or call him how you want.

[KGB]

This idea sounds great, but along with a few others i agree that we need to include all the best pilots around. I would of thought France could make three very good teams alone, it would be a shame not to include them somehow. Could France not be split into regions. i.e North, south and so on.

[EPSILON]

Yes KGB it was a real problem

I know I can't selected in the 4 best pilots and even if I would race I can't....

[Hellfire_WZ]

Regions would be best I think, gives everyone a fair whack.

[KIGO1987]

Sub catagories, yes good idea. Divide by north south east or west of region, or by states of the country.

BTW EPSILON there are 12 teams in total (thats the idea), but out of the 12, 7 are official. the other 5 are uniofficial and are subjected to change, by name and type, etc.

This idea is starting to take off which is good.

[SaturnReturn]

Personally I'm not so convinced about having multiple teams for countries with lots of good players. Yes France has enough excellent racers to field many excellent teams divided by region, but if one country does this then all others could do the same. Surely this stops being a World Cup if it becomes Alsace-Lorraine vs. Bretange. For that reason I would prefer to see b-teams that play against each other if there is enough interest.

I do however support the idea of miscellaneous teams. Otherwise it's possible that some of the best players in the world from a particular country may be left out.

I agree with kanar that it might be better to have a squad of 8/9 and a team of 4. This way there should be more availability and the whole thing should come off a bit better. Let's not forget the trouble that people have connecting sometimes. This could ruin the whole thing if there wasn't a standby player ready.

I also think it shouldn't be pushed too quickly. Clearly a lot of organisation is involved.The first step in my opinion should be for each country to declare itself as a willing participant, along with the number of players ready to participate and a team captain/spokesman, as blackwiggle suggested. This should have a deadline. Then it can be decided what should happen for countries with lots of players. The captains can then discuss what format the competition should take and come to agreement across all the teams. The same thing for rules etc - discussion, then agreement. Agreement will be key.

For me I still think that organising this will require more than one thread. I think one for registration (and possibly also arranging dates once registration is complete), one for discussing rules amongst captains and one for results once the whole thing kicks off. That would be the minimum for me. Otherwise I think there will be too many voices to be heard and information will get buried in one huge thread. If this forum wants to be the home of the World Cup then it has to support it fully, with sticky threads etc. If not then a dedicated forum might be necessary.

I'm not the one organising the whole thing so, EPSILON, feel free to ignore everything I've said. That's just the stuff that I see being important to make it easier to organise.

[KIGO1987]

I also think it shouldn't be pushed too quickly. Clearly a lot of organisation is involved.The first step in my opinion should be for each country to declare itself as a willing participant, along with the number of players ready to participate and a team captain/spokesman, as blackwiggle suggested. This should have a deadline. Then it can be decided what should happen for countries with lots of players. The captains can then discuss what format the competition should take and come to agreement across all the teams. The same thing for rules etc - discussion, then agreement. Agreement will be key.

Spot on. Organisation is needed here, and alot of it too. Timezones, players inc. etc.

[EPSILON]

@SaturnReturn : I'm not the one, you, all players and organizer like Kanar or Kaori etc...it will be thanks to you all, if this event occurs.

And you're right, we must take time for this Worldcup, Competition that will be planned and organized way of concrete will be more addictive and perfect, and it is left to be a great adventure

ps : It's not Bretange mais Bretagne, and you win ^^ Lot of BZH Wiper here (Nyctalopian, Wotan, Spoon, Me etc....)

[Asymeel]

I just came back from vacation and I see a wonderful post giving idea of organizing a Windows HD worlcup !
I totally support your ideas !
You can add me in the french team

Concerning the numbers of teams, why not creating teams simply defined by a static amount of players per pool.
An example:
We define 6 players per team:
If there are 24 french players, there will be 4 french teams.
And we do the same for all the same for all the other countries.
it would avoid that some good players would be disqualified too quickly.
Just an idea...

[SaturnReturn]

@SaturnReturn :
ps : It's not Bretange mais Bretagne, and you win ^^ Lot of BZH Wiper here (Nyctalopian, Wotan, Spoon, Me etc....)

Fine then, Brittany it is . Just kidding - it was obviously a typagraphical errer becuase my speeling is inpeccable.

[EPSILON]

The "Little Brittany" was a country no ?

I'm agree with you we can create Different country Team (ex : French Team A, French Team B etc...) and the captain select one of these Team to race one of these Official WorldCup race, simple but tactical ^^

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[Darkdrium777]

How 'bout this for the "too many pilots not enough spots":

Do a tournament ladder between all of these pilots, first four bests are selected for the team, the rest well they're backups (In order of finish of course) if the first four can't make it at a specified date and the face off between two countries cannot be pushed back.

EDIT: Rob, if you see this: upgrading the forum software will allow for multiple "Discussion" threads to happen in the same social groups, thus facilitating the organization of such events within this forum.

[KGB]

Concerning the numbers of teams, why not creating teams simply defined by a static amount of players per pool.
An example:
We define 6 players per team:
If there are 24 french players, there will be 4 french teams.
And we do the same for all the same for all the other countries.
it would avoid that some good players would be disqualified too quickly.
Just an idea...

I think this is a very good idea, it just seems wrong to penalize the bigger country's that have more players, It isn't France's fault it is full of great pilots, if two French teams got to the final it would be because they are the best and deserved to win. (they won't though, because it would be two English teams battling it out ).

Any players without a team could join up with friends and form a European/World team.

[OBH]

Do a tournament ladder between all of these pilots, first four bests are selected for the team, the rest well they're backups (In order of finish of course) if the first four can't make it at a specified date and the face off between two countries cannot be pushed back.

i dont think that would work. plus as many partisipants as possible will make this better.

i think team A / B etc would be best. evenly split up the talent in one nation .

[EPSILON]

i dont think that would work. plus as many partisipants as possible will make this better.

i think team A / B etc would be best. evenly split up the talent in one nation .

Exactly, I'm Agree too, I think this the best solution to join up to maximum pilot.

[SaturnReturn]

osama bin haydn - When you refer to Team A and Team B, are you thinking 2 teams of the same skill level competing in exactly the same competition?

When I refer to an A-Team and B-Team I'm thinking along the lines of A having France's best 4 pilots and B having France's 4 second best pilots, with the 2 teams in separate tournaments. To me a World Cup simply means the very best from your country representing everyone in the nation against the very best from another country. Also, I just think to go through all this and see a France vs. France final would be a big anti-climax. Then again, this is all just from my narrow minded POV. I suppose you could easily avoid that by making sure 2 teams from any one nation would face each other in an early knock out stage. That could work. That way if France reach the final then it would definitely be with their best team. But I still think this should only be if they have 16 players who want to join in or something, i.e. so that they have backups ready.

Also, if you consider qualification for your nation a part of the World Cup competition itself, then just by trying to make the team you are taking part in this World Cup - just a thought as this is probably how things will go for me.

[OBH]

true. qualification for the team adds an interesting dynamic.

[Mad-Ice]

Hi all,

I have read all the ideas in this thread about how we should organise the World Wipeout HD Tournament 2009. This is my proposal how we can divide all the points in a fair system between all the country teams. So we will find out the fastest country team of the world in Wipeout HD.

Listen up, because some countries will have more then 1 team, we can fight in divisions just like the EWC rules. So each country will do their own qualifier rounds to find out which team will fight in DIVISION 1 and which team will fight in DIVISION 2 and maybe even a DIVISION 3. This means DIVISION 1 will be the biggest and fastest DIVISION because only 1 team from every country will participate in this DIVISION.

DIVISION 2 will be somehow smaller because not every country can deliver two teams. DIVISION 3 will be even smaller and so on.

All teams will race all tracks with weapons on and with weapons off, in total 32 races. They will race in tours consisting of 4 tracks, for every tour each team in DIVISION 1 will receive (96 points) at the start. DIVISION 2 will receive (64 points) at the start. DIVISION 3 will receive (32 points) at the start. Points earned in the tours combined with all the starting points will give the total points of the tournament and a placement within the tournament table.

All the pilots get a chance when they are racing to qualify for the fastest team for their own nation. If the fastest team of their nation is formed then they will fight for the highest honors. So every qualification is already part of the World Wipeout HD tournament 2009.

Reserve players: After the qualifier rounds in every country we know who are the 4 or 8 or even 12 fastest pilots of a nation. We have to know in which order they are fast. Like from fastest number 1 pilot up onto number 12. So the reserve players for DIVISION 1 are the 2 fastest pilots from DIVISION 2. The reserve players for DIVISION 2 are the number 3 and 4 fastest pilots of DIVISION 1 and the 2 fastest pilots from DIVISION 3.


Breakdown of the point system in the best and worst situations:

DIVISION 1, a tour consisting of 4 tracks and 2 country teams

1st place: 32 points earned in the tour + 96 DIVISION points=128
2nd: 24+96=120
3rd: 20+96=116
4th: 16+96=112
The red team wins a total of 476 points

5th: 12+96=108
6th: 8+96=104
7th: 4+96=100
8th: 0+96=96
The blue team wins a total of 408 points

DIVISION 2, a tour consisting of 4 tracks and 2 country teams

1st place: 32 points earned in the tour + 64 DIVISION points=96
2nd: 24+64=88
3rd: 20+64=84
4th: 16+64=80
The green team wins a total of 276 points

5th: 12+64=76
6th: 8+64=72
7th: 4+64=68
8th: 0+64=64
The yellow team wins a total of 208 points

If two teams have the same amount of points in the end. They have to race 1 tour of 4 tracks with weapons on and 1 tour of 4 tracks with weapons off.
The world cup will go to the DIVISION 1 champion, period.

Okay people what do you all think about this?

Greetz Mad-Ice

[SaturnReturn]

Mad-Ice, I like you proposal for the most part but don't quite understand all of it. Are the starting points just a way of weighting the different divisions to give more importance to division 1 when counting totals? And when is the total counted? For example, if Team X only participates in Division 1 and wins it, I assume Team Y with 3 teams cannot count all their teams' points and be the winners. I think that is what you are saying but might have it wrong.

[Mad-Ice]

Yes, starting points will give weight to the different DIVISIONS. The total points for more teams from 1 country is only counting together when at least the top three from DIVISION 1 is having the same amount of teams in DIVISION 2 and maybe even in DIVISION 3.

For example: England is having two national teams, 1 team is fighting in DIVISION 1 and 1 team in DIVISION 2. While French is having 3 national teams fighting in all 3 DIVISIONS. Only if England and French are first and second in DIVISION 1 the total points from their two teams will count together. The points from the French Team 3 will not count. I hope everything is clear?