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    I fixd it myself. I opened it up got the stick out and wrapped selotape round it. Works a charm lol. There's a guide on YouTube somewhere.

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    I´ve gotta try that with the tape sometime! I only mentioned for you other N64-owners. My controllers work fine (for now).

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    I just downloaded Project 64 yesterday, along with WO64. Loaded it up for the first time and it ran at a solid 60fps... which took my breath away.

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    If you're having trouble with the skybox, remember to check "Use Direct3D transformation pipeline" in the advanced graphics settings.

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    The first wipeout I ever bought was wipeout xl for the PC way WAY back in the day, but I couldn't play it on my computer at the time due to the fact that hardware acceleration was required to run it (that's what I assumed, anyway). I was crushed. But then I saw Wipeout 64 years later and became ecstatic. The graphics are gorgeous (technically) and the challenges are quite satisfying.

    I recently purchased XL and I think I prefer it to WO64. Better HUD, better music, more innovative track design, better art design, and better "contender eliminated" announcement (God, I hate that stupid sales rep who says it in WO64). However, WO64's tracks are a little easier to master and the challenges add a little more variety to the whole experience. Both great games, I'm just glad that Nintendo aficionados like myself who never owned a Playstation were given a chance to experience the series on their home console.

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    I just got back into playing this one; I'd forgotten (or, maybe, never realized in the first place) how excellent it is. The graphics are awful, and the engine is sloppy, but the speed and competition are by far the best in the pre-Fusion games. I'd probably put it in my top three, along with Wipeout HD: Fury and Wipeout 3: Special Edition.

    Quote Originally Posted by quickbeam View Post
    I recently purchased XL and I think I prefer it to WO64. Better HUD, better music, more innovative track design, better art design, and better "contender eliminated" announcement (God, I hate that stupid sales rep who says it in WO64). However, WO64's tracks are a little easier to master and the challenges add a little more variety to the whole experience.
    Wipeout 64 uses mirrored tracks from Wipeout and Wipeout XL. Klies Bridge = Talon's Reach, Qoron IV = Altima VII, Machaon II = Gare d'Europa, etc. The "easier to master" thing comes from the slightly F-ZERO-esque handling model.

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    I don't see how this game handles like fzero at all?? It feels exactly like a mix between xl and 2097, as long as you use the correct controller (not the nintendo one). IT is more forgiving on the walls than xl because it is slightly floatier. Also, for some reason using the normal controller, it is twitchy, not sure why this is. It is stlll my top game as far as the handling is concerned.

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    It's twitchy because WO64's analog control isn't the same as XL's.... in XL (with the NeGcon), when you let the controller snap back to zero-turn, your craft takes a little while to straighten out. In WO64, your ship's left/right movement is directly connected to the control-stick at all times... say you're in a straight-away, snap the stick back and forth rhythmically, your ship barely misses a beat.

    it's kinda like all the ships in 64 are as "sticky" as Piranha is in XL.

    But every once in a while, it'll seem like you lose complete control over your ship and you just slide out of a corner... it's really quirky.

    al, you have to remember 99% of everyone else out there is playing WO64 with a "normal" controller

    As far as "originality" in the game; I never once felt like any of the tracks were re-hashed, despite their origins They all felt like they had competent difficulty/challenge, and the aesthetics made them completely new locations.
    Also, I don't know who's choice it was to put a Wipeout game on the 64, but I personally don't think the graphics are "awful;" I think the 64 actually does a great job considering what it has to render... Most people here are PSX-nuts, though, so it could just be lack of familiarity with a different platform. I've spent the same amount of time with all three main consoles of the time (psx n64 saturn) so I'm a little more relative with subjective stuff like how I think games look or sound... 64 games all have that weird bilinear filtering which was an attempt to prevent pixelization (which occurred often in PSX and Saturn games), but the machine had such low memory for textures, that surfaces already had low-res graphics stretched retardedly large to begin with... the filtering made stuff look like a muddy mess unless a programmer knew the caveats of the hardware and how to work around them.

    It's DEFINITELY not anything like F-Zero beyond being a hovercraft racer... F-Zero X is arguably more difficult, depending on your style or racing... ships lose "grip" in X way too easily, and unless you've got a good ship for drifting (Night Thunder, Blood Hawk) you'll just immediately drop speed.
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    The graphics are awful, even for the N64. I'm not talking about the texture quality (if anything, Wipeout 64 actually has some of the better texture detail that I've seen on the console), but the polygon count is low and the draw distance is pathetic. Technically, it's near the level of Wipeout XL, but that game hid its graphical flaws with strategically-placed scenery; Wipeout 64's open spaces and slab-sided canyons practically flaunt their lack of detail and copious pop-up. On top of that, the non-player ship models are worthless and the framerate goes all choppy with some weapons. This might have been forgiveable in a first-generation title (although I doubt it - even Super Mario 64 looks better), but Wipeout 64 was released in the same year as Banjo-Kazooie!

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    I don't see how this game handles like fzero at all??
    How isn't 1:1 correspondence between ship movement and stick position like F-ZERO? It's the only Wipeout game that handles that way; it feels like someone took the positioning model from F-ZERO X and added the floaty physics from Wipeout XL.

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    How isn't 1:1 correspondence between ship movement and stick position like F-ZERO? It's the only Wipeout game that handles that way; it feels like someone took the positioning model from F-ZERO X and added the floaty physics from Wipeout XL.
    What I read here is that you move the stick left to right and your ship moves back and forth just like in F-ZERO X...but the physics are floaty like XL. So how is that similar exactly? You just pointed out quite clearly that it's different...

    You don't have to keep comparing wipeout to F Zero, really. No offense, but we won't miss it, and there is a thread specifically for that I do believe.

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    fzero either slides out, or grips, you grip until the turn is too sharp for the ship you have chosen, then it slides out completely (Not talking about advanced techniques here) Wipeout has degrees of slide/grip depending on how fast you turn your ship, it is not even close to the same feel. The pitch up/down also affects the amount of slide on your ship.

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    I really shouldn't have to explain this, but similar ≠ same.

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    You did not say similar, you said this, "it feels like someone took the positioning model from F-ZERO X and added the floaty physics from Wipeout XL." This makes it sound like fzero with floaty physics, which is doesn't feel like at all. I do understand the position on the controller thing (crappy controller I might add). However, most n64 games have that sort of controller position thing of those games, but that does not mean they feel alike.

    On a side note, I am really wondering about this position thing. I watched other people play with that controller, and the game moves choppy a little (like piranha from Xl), but when I used the ultraracer 64 , or any other wheel, it is smooth as can be, pretty much the same as xl. I wonder if the pot is better, then maybe the feel is better? Not sure, I have not been able to get that n64 controller working for you yet, I have the stuff apart, but one of the pots of the n64 controller had a piece soldered from one pin of the pot to another on the same pot. I guess I would have to do the same thing? Ok back on topic now.

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    Of course it doesn't feel exactly like "F-ZERO X+Wipeout XL" - and I never said that it did. I said that it felt slightly similar because of one aspect which is present in F-ZERO X and none of the other Wipeout games: the 1:1 analog control (in other words, the positioning model, not the physics engine). You keep "disproving" a claim that I never even made.

    Oh, and nice to hear that my controller's progressing; I'll be sure to pay you for it once it's done.
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