Wipeout Fusion - Is it REALLY worth buying?

[UncleZeiv]

My verdict: buy it cheap - but don't expect miracles.

I agree. I do think that playing Fusion until 100% is worth the trouble... The problem is just that you are not going to play it again, EVER

[eLhabib]

true. from the moment I was through the hole game, I haven't touched it once.

[JABBERJAW]

I'm sorry to say this, but someone can't honestly say the controls are bad on fusion and great on pure. The bad thing about fusion was the wall scraping was way too fast resulting in needing no skill to do well. otherwise, they are quite similar. Now pure is more floaty off bumps, which is why I like it better, but as far as the left right turning and brake useage and pitch control, it is easily just as good and quite similar. It is just implemented better by the one fact that hitting the wall slows you down.

[eLhabib]

I just put in Fusion for the first time in over a year just to test the handling, and no, it is nothing like purE. actually fusion doesn't feel like AG-racing at all, it feels like driving a car where the lowest part is just invisible, that's all. purE on the other hand, feels very much AG, especially with the new physics engine. For me, purE is what w'o'' was always meant to be. I still can't understand why you don't like it Al...

[JABBERJAW]

I'm getting a tad agitated that you keep saying I don't like the game. I like it alot. The wall scraping is much better than fusion, and off bumps you get in the air. That is why it is better, oh and a better sense of speed on regular races. The left right movement and the braking is very close to being the same, braking slows you down alot in both games. If fusion had the same scraping off the wall as pure and allowed you to get in the air off bumps, it would be just as good. Now it doesn't have that, so it's not, but the regular turning on the flats is not much different at all, and neither is the braking. Fusion has some great points to it. Very good graphics, some pretty good courses(vohl sqaure, temtesh bay in the caves). Basically what I'm saying, is that it was one designer(one who would at least make it more floaty and better wall physics) away from being good. Now I don't play it anymore because of these problems, but don't tell me the turning is that much better.

[eLhabib]

sorry for upsetting you, to me it just sounded like you were saying purE's and Fusion's handling are pretty much the same, i.e. bad, which I don't feel they are.

[JABBERJAW]

upgrade a fusion ship all the way play on a turny track(use xios or piranha). Make the turn correctly without hitting(on a sharp turn and flat part of the track), and that is the part of the game I am talking about that feels alike. Not any of the areas with bumps, where your ship comes up, that is very different, but not considered handling. Try pitch the nose of your ship up in pure and take a turn. I don't think this has any effect whatsoever, whereas in fusion it slows you down a little, but really doesn't help you make the turn. Go over a jump and try to change where you are going to land, this is also very much like fusion.
I think the main difference in the games(which makes pure alot better), is the floatiness off the bumps and slower wall physics, that is really it.
My question to you would be is this

if fusion had the air physics of pure, and the slower scraping, would you like it?

[Sausehuhn]

Yep.
Imagine Florion Height 3, the jump

...but the slowdowns should be WipEed out

[Chill]

I honestly don't think I would like Fusion all that much, simply because of the track designs and the chosen music, they really don't do anything for me, sorry to say. The music doesn't really feel techno enough, and it needs some more of that sort of mysterious or eerie feeling, it just comes at you, bam, with all kind of bass sounds and hiped-out music, even though it is good, it just doesn't seem like my kind of Wipeout, and the tracks don't seem to have sharp and off-tracking enough turns. I would be sure that if the crafts had bouncier physics, I would be happy, but then the races would be sooo much easier. Their aren't any turns that throw me off all that much like in Wipeout xl and 3 (and mabye pure). bouncier means lighter, meaning easier turns, also meaning easier control. Wipeout xl and 3 are close in, so it's harder for such easier turning and bouncing around such sharp corners and bumps. Do you know what I mean?

[JABBERJAW]

yes absolutely. The speed would need to be turned up about 30% to make the turns feel much harder. The turns aren't quite as sharp as previous versions, except for in that tunnel on temptesh, and a couple other places. The extra speed would make it difficult though, and with the slower wall riding physics, it would make a difference not to hit.

Oh, sausehun, How much have you played pure? It has a lot of choppiness(mainly at the beginning of races), more than fusion actually.

Here's another question

would you rather have slowdown, or keep the speed moving making it choppy?

I choose slowdown because in xl when it slows down you still have control, where in, lets say exteme g(which I know is severe), you cannot fine tune your turning because it's jumping through the track.

[Dogg Thang]

Well often in both Fusion and Pure the slowdown issues are due to too much weapons fire so, rather than have slowdown or choppiness, I'd rather the weapons fire of the AI was regulated so that the chance of them using weapons would depend on how many other craft are on screen.

The craft in Fusion were vicious. In Pure it's not as bad but because the craft don't space out like in the first WO games, they can bunch together and cause mayhem - mostly, as you said, at the beginning of a race.

[Sausehuhn]

@ Zoolander
I haven't played Pure yet, but I know Fusion would feel better with a more WipEout like handling. Fusion with a Wip3out handling would also be good, and I think Pure's handling is also a handling l will like. I'm sure.
Anyway, I like Fusion so or so. You can say what you want, I like it.

@ Dogg Thang
Pure has slowdowns!?

[Dogg Thang]

Pure has choppiness as it skips frames when there is a serious amount of stuff happening. It only ever happens when things get crazy and rarely affects the game. Usually the frame rate is fairly consistant but it does drop at times.

[Mobius]

I play ut2004 on 10fps most of the time so it shouldn't bother me.

[infoxicated]

ouch! :

[RJ O'Connell]

I play ut2004 on 10fps most of the time so it shouldn't bother me.

You should have seen me attempt Need for Speed: High Stakes on my old 166 8O

[rejj]

I played through the original Quake on my 486.. got about 7fps average. heh.

[phase 2]

Of corse FUSION is not w.o. 1, 2, 3 or the much talked about PURE I hated how slow the speed in the first couple of circuts were. then it gradualy picked up to insanity. ZONE mode was a graet feature, upgradable crafts and pilot storyline was cool shocked no one has mentioned the awsome music quality and graphics. I got this game fore 7.99$ @ the gamestop maybe not the best in the series fore other peoples listings above it definitly has its pros and cons but unlike most of the others I actualy injoyed this game. it strays away from the maine concept of a wipe out game but YES IT IS STILL WIPE OUT that alone would force me to purchase it.Beat it liked it not the best version. I would buy it. You should listen to your gut not what other w.o. gamers think especialy if you havn't played it and
especialy seeing that it is wipe out if you want it just fore tredition sake. FUSION is definitly the red headed step child of the wipe out world but HOW CHOULD YOU TURN DOWN ANY WIPE OUT GAME especialy fore a cheap price.

[Chill]

Hey, Phase!! I'm red headed, and a step-child!! :
If you're like me, and have the drive to finish it just because you love the others and still want to pay back psygnosis for Wipeout 1, 2, 3, and Pure, then this topic really wouldn't help much, as you'd probably buy it and try to beat it anyway. I completed every single thing, all gold, on that game, twice!!! (< It was all deleted once before). And I'm happy that it's all done. One day I'd like to have all the Wipeout games that exist completed on my handy-dandy memory card, and I could re-live any Wipeout moment (any mode, craft, track, etc.). That wishful thinking of having that luxury alone has driven me to go through such measures as buying and completing fusion. :wink: