cheating the ZONE

Well, there seems to be the first obvious cheat in WipEout HD ZONE. PSN user
xtianoPL got the following result on ANULPHA PASS; 384181 points, 157 zones,
and 2 perfect zones, which is virtually an impossible result. And I'm absolut
certain that all Top10 zoners agree with me without any doubt.

xtianoPL might have found a bug by accident. I think that the craft got stuck
into a wall without damage. He then simply waited until the points added up to
kick me (367k pts.) from rank 1.

@SCE Studio Liverpool:
Please contact the PSN user xtianoPL and try to fix that problem, otherwise the
leaderboard will mess up rather soon. :frown: Thx!


Anyways, ZONE rulz! So awwwww ... can't get enough! :dizzy

@all: :xtree My wishlist has only one entry; The uncut ZONE mode.

Sad to see "fake" results on top of the leaderboard... I reached zone 74 yesterday... that's just my type of luck... sigh... :brickwall
But hey, Problem Solver, now you have a new goal to reach for! :lol

I agree there`s no way anyone would get to that speed with only 2 perfect zones. He must have had 155 imperfect zones, which would mean there`s no way he could have reached 157 without blowing up. Say he only lost 1 point of shield energy on each zone, and add the 20 shield points for the 2 perfect zones, then the max he could have got to is 123 I think. I think that logic is right. :dizzy

I think it`s definitely worth an email to SCEE/SL as Wipeout HD is an amazingly "clean" online game and should be kept that way. Hopefully it`s just a random occurrence and not a glitch in the game that can be exploited.

+1, this is a fantastic experience so far, so please SL erradicate that & that weird record too : http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2121/dsc00685ro0.jpg (a stuff wotan spotted some days ago, dunno if it's cleared now...)

yeah that's sad, obviously 157 zones with only two perfect = glitcher. might be a little presumptuous to suggest he did it deliberately although that's the explanation 99.9% of the time in these cases. shame.

pfft ive done 200 zones with no perfects...i just havent uploaded it yet <_< >_> ...:p

Yeah it's impossible, I've seen another such impossible time for a speed lap
I think, the time was about 3 seconds!!!

The best solution would be bugs removal, but that's not easy for them to fix,
so they could add a system that checks whether a time is possible or not before
officially posting it.

For instance, on speed laps / races / ... take the best current times, and check
the new time, if the time is 20% faster, then it's impossible.

Or if the lap is 6 km and the turbo speed is 2,000 km/h then normally it would
be impossible to run the lap under 10.8 seconds.

New record on anulpha : 1000 zones with 3 perfects zones :rock

I think that score confirm the existence of one glitch on zone mode ^^

Let's ignore all the obvious details that make that record ridiculous for a second... can anyone's brain even handle almost 3 hours of zone madness without... you know... melting? I could barely get to 80 without needing to reach for the eye drops.

Also, since supersonic is the last named zone, wouldn't it eventually become impossible to take the corners since you wouldn't be getting handling upgrades anymore (I'd imagine around 150)?

This glitch needs to be fixed asap with a patch, before it destroys the rankings.
Removing scores from the leaderboard is not enough.

btw related to what Connavar said : it appears few names like Ahh Quadzilla or Larikun, have been deleted , is there an explanation from SL about that ?

seriously??? those 2 great pioneers? larikun is member here (MIA since oct 11th)... what happened?

AHH QUADZILLA is gone; I still see Larikun

Well... it seems, that we have some cheaters in Poland :D

I still can't beat even 80 Zone, but I'm weak player, so it's nothing special. And I don't believe that ANYBODY can beat Zone 100. It's insane :D

Greets

To be honest I've always had a nagging doubt about some of those AHH QUADZILLA times.
Especially the tracks where there is no or few places to BR [moa therma reverse] and times posted are something like 4 sec faster than Piraphac or Flashback jack.
I just don't see where that much of a time difference can occur, when you consider that in the upper reaches of the records table for phantom speed tracks, the time difference is in the tenths of seconds.

Actually when AHH-QUADZILLA's times were removed yesterday there were only two events he was still first in, namely VK reverse TT and AP TT. Just the day before I did well enough on the former to know that I could equal his VK reverse time, and I know that pirhapac considers his AP time to be possible.

I really think it's a bad thing that quadzilla's times have been removed. I've enjoyed playing a lot of TT in the past few weeks and I've managed with a lot of effort to beat him on some tracks, but not most. He had some great times and added to the quality at the top of the leaderboards, and I think the competition has suffered as a result of his removal. If it's still possible, I hope his times will reappear.

I also noticed that Larikun has disappeared. As far as I know both AHH-QUADZILLA and Larikun have been inactive for a long time now. So it suggests that times are removed after a certain period of inactivity. I very much hope that is not the case.

Well it makes you think that SL obviously knows something we don't regarding the manner AHH QUADZILLA has achieved some of those times,otherwise they would of removed all of them.
Anybody raced/seen QUADZILLA online EVER?
And weren't the majority if not all of QUADZILLAS times made pretty soon after release?

And Larikun joined 7th Oct has not posted here since 11th Oct when the first patch came out.

I hope the removal of times after inactivity is not the case,that would be very unfair.
It would mean your records would be scrubbed after 10 weeks inactivity if this were true.

I have a theory of what might be the cause of these removals if the non activity isn't the cause,but I'll wait to see if anybody else picks up on it and comments.

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Originally Posted by Figlarz

I don't believe that ANYBODY can beat Zone 100. It's insane :D

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hof7S2jJxxA

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Originally Posted by djKyoto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hof7S2jJxxA

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:eek it's beyond reality :eek but i saw it with my own eyes so it's real :eek this guy is skilled !

Zone doesn't actually get any faster after zone around 70 so it's all about holding it together after you hit those zones.
The 100+ zoner posted that himself here.
Regarding my previous post I was meaning the general SL and TT times.

POST "666" :evil :twisted :evil :twisted :evil :twisted :evil :twisted :evil :twisted :evil :twisted

Damn! How did he do that. Dexies?

POST "666" :evil :twisted :evil :twisted :evil :twisted :evil :twisted :evil :twisted :evil :twisted

Remember pre release review copies of WOHD wemt out on disc [with reviewers code]

Work it out.

Hi!
Yes, i've found a bug in Zone Mode in WipEout HD. I tought the developers will know about that but i wait and wait and no one contact with me... I told about glitch one guy who help me discover how its work and he's actually number one on scoreboard. Find glitch was accidental and i don't want to be #1, I wanted to see how many zones can I pass but just as I wanted to try myself on Supersonic and i've "unlocked" ship and die. I'm very impressed your score ProblemSolver :beer and you are the only one who deserves for 1st place on scoreboard. I want to write Studio Liverpool but my english sucks... but i will do that and explain how glitch is work.
Best regards.
XtianoPL

PS sorry for my english, count on it that You understood me ;)

Blackwiggle, in Fusion speed didn't increase after zone 60, in Pure I don't know but in Pulse and HD it just keeps on increasing, and on and on in HD until there is no end, apparently. It only stops increasing when you've drained all the available ship energy...

I'm only repeating what the 100+ zoner in WOHD has posted before.
And there are only TWO
It has nothing to do with previous WO games.
I'd provide a link, but I would of thought all that frequent this forum would know who that was.
Seems not.
[I really can't be bothered searching,sorry] anybody want to name somebody other than WELLINGTON that is a ZONE master.

I've searched but I am unable to find it. I'm still playing pulse zone quite frequently and master it very very well. I think such a post would not go unnoticed but surely could have.

Anyway, since the malfunction has been found more people will, and with it the scoreboard will have lost it's purpose... :/

@blackwiggle

I have raced AHH-QUADZILLA myself, a long time ago. I remember him as one of my first online kills. I have to say he didn't come across as extremely quick the first time (I certainly wasn't quick myself), but the second time I met him he was winning consistently. I assume he got his times quickly because he was familiar with all the tracks from having played the PSP versions.

As for zone, there is a post somewhere on this site by Larikun who confirms that it still gets faster after 90.

Bother Quadzilla and Larikin have never be seen since before the first WOHD patch.
That's over 2.5 months out of a 3.5 month release
Both have had their records removed.

What do you make of that?

Seems strange to me that players [Supposedly] that good should suddenly give up the game completely.

http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=24

I think that sounds about right. Recently I went past the 80 mark and every time I reached a new zone, the stats reported a higher top speed.

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Originally Posted by multibodydynamics

Sad to see "fake" results on top of the leaderboard... I reached zone 74 yesterday... that's just my type of luck... sigh... :brickwall
But hey, Problem Solver, now you have a new goal to reach for! :lol

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It's somewhat unsatisfying that no one can compete with me up to zone 115+,
seriously. I did a 116 last week and now lead with 12 zones with respect to
second best. I would be pleased if someone could caught up with we, since
sharing the experience on that speed would be great.

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Originally Posted by lunar

... I think it`s definitely worth an email to SCEE/SL as Wipeout HD is an amazingly "clean" online game and should be kept that way. Hopefully it`s just a random occurrence and not a glitch in the game that can be exploited.

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Is there an official email address from STUDIO Liverpool were one can
send a bug report to?

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Originally Posted by Wotan

New record on anulpha : 1000 zones with 3 perfects zones :rock

I think that score confirm the existence of one glitch on zone mode ^^

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They, SL, have to act now! The leaderboard is starting to mess up. :(

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Originally Posted by djKyoto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hof7S2jJxxA

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// ProblemSolver : Greetings to everyone!
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5513
(featuring the original version of the video in question)

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Originally Posted by blackwiggle

Zone doesn't actually get any faster after zone around 70 so it's all about holding it together after you hit those zones.
The 100+ zoner posted that himself here. ...

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That's wrong. The speed increases at last up to zone 116, which I can state
from my own experience as well as from the result screen. And I can tell
you, the speed becomes insane. Upon entering zone 110+ the craft starts
to airborne a lot. I would be pleased do to another video, a 115+ video,
such that you all can see how insane / amazing it becomes.

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Originally Posted by XtianoPL

Hi!
Yes, i've found a bug in Zone Mode in WipEout HD. I tought the developers will know about that but i wait and wait and no one contact with me... I told about glitch one guy who help me discover how its work and he's actually number one on scoreboard. Find glitch was accidental and i don't want to be #1, I wanted to see how many zones can I pass but just as I wanted to try myself on Supersonic and i've "unlocked" ship and die. I'm very impressed your score ProblemSolver :beer and you are the only one who deserves for 1st place on scoreboard. I want to write Studio Liverpool but my english sucks... but i will do that and explain how glitch is work.
Best regards.
XtianoPL

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Nice to have you here, XtianoPL! And thx for the flowers. I've written in
my original post that SL should contact you such that you (or Assphalt) can
tell them how the glitch works. Assphalt contacted me, he asked how to
contact SL. However, don't throw the glitch to the public, since there is
still the possibility to save the leaderboard. I for myself have no problems
if they reset the leaderboard, my only issue with that is that the amount
of entries currently onto leaderboard of ANULPHA PASS are going for a reset,
too. And I don't think that we will get such an amount of entries again.

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Originally Posted by ProblemSolver

Is there an official email address from STUDIO Liverpool were one can
send a bug report to?

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contact@studioliverpool.eu
I get it from '06 Merseysides address book, so it can be old. Especially, because I cannot find any on google. But it's always better then nothing.
Burn those cheaters, now two, second we look there will be thousands :evil

Lucas

Welcome aboard Lucas. However I don't think Wipeout HD will fall prey to a cheating epidemic. Can't take any chances though!

I can see that the top players are feeling betrayed since the top two positions have been taken by folks by means of a bug in the code.

A friend of mine who was in the top ten has recently just been moved down two places and he doesn't want to play Wipe out anymore until this problem has been resolved. I am hoping that Problem Solver can solve this problem by urging LS to react quickly as he owns Anulpha Pass Zone!

Other cheaters:
#47 got 94 - 15
#454 got 76 - 5
#595 got 75 - 2

The last 2 are "ok" since they just wanted the trophy.

Now if a good player starts cheating, this could be a disaster,
and would require the tables to be reset...

First off, Leaderboards are a nice thing, but in the end it's only a list.
The glitch does not take anything away from the very awesomeness of
the ZONE mode. And there is nothing compareable in braking the 100
zone barrier with his very own skills.

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Originally Posted by Lucas_RD

contact@studioliverpool.eu
I get it from '06 Merseysides address book, so it can be old....

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I wrote an email to that address. The address seems to be valid since I
didn't got a delivery error. Well, I hope they'll gave us an indication that
they are aware of the problem.

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Originally Posted by crashZF5

I can see that the top players are feeling betrayed since the top two positions have been taken by folks by means of a bug in the code. ...

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I guess that the glitch will offset those person who put a lot of effort
into ZONE in getting the Zeus trophy. Perhaps there might be an option to
remove the Zeus trophy for those people who obviously used the glitch to
obtain it.

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Originally Posted by Connavar

Other cheaters:
#47 got 94 - 15
#454 got 76 - 5
#595 got 75 - 2

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If second number stand for perfect zones, then do the math again, because it is possible without using cheats. But we will never know for sure. :(

We're only lucky it isn't on youtube yet.

Even if mathematically possible, it's not in practice, if you look at the top #
1000 scores, the cheater scores really stand out (first 2 + those 3), because
all other players score 30 perfect zones or more, and none of them has a ratio
zones/perfect greater than 2.5 about. (while here we got 6, 17, 37).

So trust me it's a cheat for sure, also remember that this score is their
personal best, they would have scores much higher with less zones and more
perfect ones, which is a lot easier to accomplish.

You need amazing skills to reach zone 75, those skills would certainly enable
you to score at least 30 perfect zones, easily.

Now I'm pissed! You absolutely right. My personal best is 69 Zones at leaderboard, even though I've reached 78 Zone once.
So, is this XtianoPL honest with us about letting only one person his secret?
Boy, I hope my "neighbours", the SL team know how this bug work and they will fix it asap.

That 94 - 15 score has been there for a long time. It's either someone who knew about the cheat before XtianoPL did or it's legitimate. I suspect it's legitimate. I think it was done by only using airbrakes, since I remember when I did the airbraker trophy I rarely had any large impacts, but instead got gradually worn down by frequently lightly brushing the side. This person has probably perfected flying like this.

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Originally Posted by Wellington86

I think it was done by only using air brakes, since I remember when I did the airbraker trophy I rarely had any large impacts, but instead got gradually worn down by frequently lightly brushing the side. This person has probably perfected flying like this.

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I agree with you there as my friend who is in the top ten on leader boards uses only Air Brakes to move up to zone 100.

Its pretty weird since I am not used to them and I have seen him play.