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Did a little racing this evening and wrote down all of my (old + 2 new) records to enter into the tables. Go to enter them... dammit! I have no idea what ships I used to get those times. Except that it was never a Qirex :p. Doesn't really matter I suppose as I only ever played it to finish it before; I'll have all those old times beaten before long...
:mr-t I pity the fool who doesn't keep meticulous WO1 notes...
Someone tell me that I've missed something obvious?
I just keep a seperate save game for each ship - then there`s nothing to write down on paper. I make sure I load the correct game depending on which ship I intend to use :)
yeah, that's a good plan... :brickwall
It's actually what I do with 2097 already. Too many teams in W30 though, would need more memory cards. (Thinking of which, I'd better get a new one to do some backing up...)
same here for 2097, i created a save for each ship ( ermm actually i only did with Ag Sys about the 1st WipEout )
It'd be impossible for Wipeout 3. One NEEDS to play with every ship in order to get anywhere in the game. Unless you just use the cheat code trifecta (AVINIT / JAZZNAZ / WIZZPIG) like a lazy fellow.
But back to WipEout, I just focus on a track at a time, and mutter my times out loud whilst walking to the computer so I can remember them.
It's really awesome, this table didn't exist until late '06 and already it's got quite a lot of entries!!! :g
:paperbag Difficult post!
This is just a message for Kieran Noble the Wipeout 1 player. Could you just confirm that you`re using a PAL original Playstation format disc and an unmodified Playstation console as wipeoutzone rules state, and if so give a walkthrough as these Venom records are bloody good if legit, and I would congratulate you on them in that case.
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/records.p...&filter=unique
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/records.p...ds&sub_action=
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/records.p...ds&sub_action=
I`m not saying they aren`t legitimate and it can`t be done, and I don`t like making posts like this, but if you could give some description of racing line and turbo position I`d appreciate it, particularly for the Altima lap times. Thanks.
I'd like to see that as well. Lunar spent multiple days on that specific track(karbonis), and the lap time is two seconds faster. It might be good to show a video, because that time does not seem right. The other ones aren't completely off the map, but once again lunar spent muchos times on those.
The Karbo lap is in SR, so could be done but might need up to three turbos. But I usually find SR laps are slower than TT no matter how you play, so I`m not sure about that. I don`t think that lap time could be done in TT.
His Altima times are a long way ahead of Enrique Lopez and me. Enrique`s Pal venom times are very tough to beat, just as tough as the ones on the NTSC tables. Enrique`s times are always consistent with mine, in that when he beats me I can see how he`s done it, and if I try to beat him back I know what I have to do (but can`t always do it ;) ). Kieran`s times just don`t seem to fit a pattern, and his times are a bit inconsistent, so I don`t know if he`s playing PSN or PC or something else. Don`t want to sound like a sore loser, I`m not, it`s just much easier with people we know or when someone else is doing times that you can see how it`s done, even if you can`t do it.
It`s always good to have new Wipeout 1 players around though, and I don`t want to rush into turning threads this way. :)
Question: Is the PSN version of WipeOut allowed on these records, or is it too different from a PS1 version?
The record rules seem to say we should use a disc. I don`t think PSN versions should be allowed. My PSN version runs very differently to my PS1 disc, has a different frame rate and looks very different too. I don`t think we could guarantee they are running the same, and it only takes a tenth either way to make it unbalance the records on many tracks. Karbonis and others are very tight indeed. Maybe because there are no ninja shortcuts, glitches or tricks, Wipeout 1 times seem to be very close and software/hardware differences could mean a lot. And it`s easy to get hold of an original disc if someone really wants to compete. :)
The record system here is only for games run on a Playstation 1, the PSN version is definitely not equivalent.
Lunar's a pretty good judge of WO1 times, I'm sure he's right about something being strange about those times, and PSN WO1 is likely the answer.
Although if there's a way to do those races that fast, I'd definitely want to know what it is as well! 8 )
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WZ records must be set with the disc playing on the console; both console and disc must be the same region code. PSN downloaded games would require a separate records table. [And BTW, no PC/computer version times are valid for the records.]
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Ok that's what I thought.
But I wouldn't say it's 'easy' to get an original PS1 WO disc. At least not for me... :/
Check the used game stores. I've seen a couple of them around. Pawn shops are also good places to look. They're not easy to find, but if you look you shall receive! 8 )
sorry Xavier, I meant Ebay for getting Wipeout 1 copies and that`s not always easy. I didn`t mean that your local store would have one - a long shot at best. ;)
There used to be a player here called Drakkenmensch, also from Montreal I think, and he was lucky enough to find a long-box Wipeout 1 in a second hand store, IIRC. I would search for the thread and picture, but I`m at work and should do some! :)
Wipeout 1 is dead easy to find on eBay (the one I found a few weeks ago was longbox). 3SE is downright difficult on the other hand.
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"This is just a message for Kieran Noble the Wipeout 1 player. Could you just confirm that you`re using a PAL original Playstation format disc and an unmodified Playstation console as wipeoutzone rules state, and if so give a walkthrough as these Venom records are bloody good if legit, and I would congratulate you on them in that case.
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/records.p...&filter=unique
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/records.p...ds&sub_action=
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/records.p...ds&sub_action=
I`m not saying they aren`t legitimate and it can`t be done, and I don`t like making posts like this, but if you could give some description of racing line and turbo position I`d appreciate it, particularly for the Altima lap times. Thanks."
It has been about 6 days since this post with no reply. I have seen records posted for woxl by kieren in that time period, so I was wondering if you could answer this question for lunar since he spent so much time on this game. Lunar, have you sent a PM? I posted a talon's time below, and there are more like this, where kieren is in 26th place. Sure, this may be a single run on 2097, but is seems with the MUCH harder difficulty in WO1, that TALONS would be a cinch. I wonder if it is the Download wipeout (which I think is based on the Ntsc version.)
Arnaud Senand France Piranha 1:00:70
2 Pierluigi Alemanno Italy Piranha 1:01:00
3 mo Evans United Kingdom Piranha 1:01:20
4 Al Sartwell USA Piranha 1:01:20
5 Steven Hunter United Kingdom Piranha 1:01:30
6 Stéphane Cellier France Piranha 1:01:60
7 Clint Johnston Australia Piranha 1:03:30
8 Michael Kracke Germany Piranha 1:03:80
9 Thorsten Markgraf Germany Piranha 1:03:80
10 Jerome Smedt France Piranha 1:03:90
11 Guillaume Samoyeau France Piranha 1:04:30
12 Jonathon Skipper New Zealand Piranha 1:04:50
13 Cormier Vincent France Piranha 1:05:50
14 Stephen McMullan United Kingdom Piranha 1:05:80
15 Jared Denman Australia Piranha 1:06:00
16 Patrice PAYET France Piranha 1:06:70
17 Sarah Denman Australia Piranha 1:07:20
18 Thierry Mathieu Luxembourg Piranha 1:07:40
19 Thierry Mathieu Luxembourg Piranha 1:07:40
20 Andy Rainford United Kingdom Piranha 1:07:60
21 Benjamin Schmaedig Germany Qirex 1:07:70
22 David Elhaïk France Piranha 1:08:00
23 John Connelly United Kingdom Piranha 1:08:00
24 Richard Lampitt United Kingdom Piranha 1:09:00
25 Stephen Isles United Kingdom Qirex 1:09:20
26 KIEREN NOBLE 1:09.80
Is Noble a member of the forums or just on the records tables?
I ve checked the members forum list : KDN ( Kieran Noble) has not registered yet.
How can we contact him in that way ? ( i remember this kind of situation a year ago but no solution has been found except by Rob)
I can appreciate the fact that some people may be less than honest and try to cheat to get faster times, or just enter in faster numbers in general... but isn't it kinda mean to be imediately skeptical of someone when their times are right near the top of the list? It's like, godforbid there's another person in the world who's ridiculously good at these games and who DIDN'T know WipeoutZone existed until just now.
I'd hang back until you can get some kind of response, but don't jump down their throat. :/
Believe me, I've been through that, but that was largely because I was one of the first users to seriously make an attempt at WO1 records. At first my Altima VII times were 20-30 seconds ahead of 2nd. Now...not so much :g
I agree with AG-Wolf. Maybe he's playing with the PSN version and doesn't know it's very different than WipEout 1 PS1. It's a legitimate mistake so he shouldn't be accused of cheating just yet. It's also possible he really did get a better time, who knows.
To make sure we must contact him, but we have to figure out how before thinking that him not replying here means that he is effectively cheating. ;)
There`s no crisis here. Nobody is accusing Kieran of cheating. He`s pretty obviously not faking times, it could just be a misunderstanding. I`m asking for clarification because his Altima TT times seem faster than I could imagine are possible. He`s 8 tenths ahead of Enrique for the fastest lap. 8 tenths on Wipeout 1 venom is an eternity. Enrique is a tenth ahead of me, and believe me my lap is arrived through a lot of work - every speed pad, every inch of pitch control worked on, and every turbo point I can think of tested. I don`t understand how he could get 8 tenths on Enrique and 9 on me - doesn`t mean it could not be done, and if he doesn`t want to reply then hey ho we can live with it. If it`s legit this is a really great time - the rest of Kieran`s times elsewhere aren`t that great, but maybe he`s just great at Altima and knows some secrets about that track that no-one else does. This would be a very very difficult time to get - it would require a negcon and a lot of dedication and research if it`s possible at all. You wouldn`t get this time because of a lucky lap, and you would know why you had got it.
It`s not a matter of being "immediately skeptical", Kieran has been submitting times for a while and I try to choose my words, and wouldn`t bring this up if I didn`t seriously think there was something to talk about. I`m quite happy to get beaten, all of us are. The NTSC times in the same class and track are a lot closer, and I`m well beaten there. Yes it would be wrong to accuse someone of cheating just because you`re beaten, it`s just as misguided never to ask for clarification incase someone accuses you of a witch-hunt. Nothing wrong with politely asking him a question, as far as I can see. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AG-wolf
I'm inclined to say the responses to the new records have been fairly measured thus far.
Isn't there a rule about a turnaround for records to be responded to before they're removed?
- F
"I`m quite happy to get beaten"
I know that cannot be true! :)
I am not accusing him of cheating either, but I guess that that was done with the ps3 version of the game, and should have not been entered, mistakenly, not on purpose. Eric, people accused me of cheating and I provided evidence to whoever wanted it, so I feel that someone who doesn't want to provide evidence, then the times are suspect. To be 26th on talon's reach in vector and first by a long shot in wo1, gets suspicions going due to the much higher difficulty of wipeout 1.
lunar and al, you've both got fair arguments *nods*
all I can say is Im glad I'm content to get bitchin' times for my own objectives and not try to be on the top of each list ;) Qirex may never beat Piranha in XL, but damn if I'm not gonna try to at least be the fastest Qirex pilot :P
Give him a while to show proof I suppose
Eric :' damn if I'm not gonna try to at least be the fastest Qirex pilot :p
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Missed, it's Lance the purple bullet-brick mod
:P
Ha, hardly. The only Phantom Time Trial times he has are on Valparaiso... where I have 3.2 seconds on him in single lap, and 23 seconds on him in race time. No shortcut involved, either.
I don't do the slower "difficulties" because they're a joke.
Slower classes are no joke in my opinion. In general they're a lot harder to time trial, because the lower speed means more people are putting out flawless laps, which leaves far, far less room to make mistakes and still end up on near or at the top of the tables. If anyone thinks putting out a top time in Phantom is difficult, I suggest he try fighting the pros on lower speed classes. :)
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Yeah, but it is much much harder to get a good time on phantom. It is very hard to get in first on the slower speed classes
I might tool around with it sometime, I haven't been playing anything lately (I havent even finished Spilskinanke)
I can appreciate that it may be difficult to get the fastest ranked time on lower classes; but the only thing that appealed to me in the time trial runs I've done was getting my Phantom Qirex times *shrug* Like you said, anyone can get perfect laps at slower classes... but not just anyone can fly a concrete traffic barrier with an engine strapped to it at 330kph and not hit a wall :P
I'll be giving the qirex a go soon
mind you, my times are without shortcuts and no negcon remember ;P That was the ultimate purpose of all the videos I was making.
Have they figured out how to do qirex AND piranha times on the tables yet?
Already done!
You can enter one time for each ship, and you can filter the tables to only show you records for one ship.
Have a look at the Venom lap records for Talon's Reach. *g*Quote:
Originally Posted by AG-wolf
Needed to be said. ;)
Yep, Ben, you and I discovered this in a personal competition. Which was great fun.
Where do you guys post your scores? I just got the original again, though I am extremely rusty. Need to get back in shape, though Wipeout HD is making that a bit hard as that is what I play mostly.
In the records tables of wipeoutzone.com, which requires [because of historical happenstance] a separate registration from that of the forums in order to post racetimes.
Love9sick, please note that the PSN download version is not allowed on the tables, and all of the times are set with the original Playstation game disc for the correct region. The WipEout tables are pretty competitive, though I have to admit we don`t have 125,000 or so registered players like HD!
Yes, as I just noted in another thread: with a disk and a console it was made for. Matching regions.