I was thinking of compiling a list of issues for the very same purpose ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by JABBERJAW
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I was thinking of compiling a list of issues for the very same purpose ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by JABBERJAW
Welcome to the club :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Phantom_89
Alternatively, just bring back the old handling, so that all the records done in 3+ years aren't completely invalidated. I'm not too sure that the bad physics are due to the airbrake cheat: 2.40 also fixed it, or so it said in the patch notes, and though it introduced a lot of issues it didn't bork the physics.Quote:
Originally Posted by JABBERJAW
The airbrakes were changed, acceleration due to airbraking has adjusted, therefore all manoeuvres involving airbrakes are affected. Not a physics change, a dynamics change. Whatever you want to call it, it's different. As I said before, it's more more 'airbraking' than 'powersliding'.
Less speed through corners -> Slower lap times.
It's not going to be changed. We're just going to have to deal with it.
I've sent the following message to the 2048 facebook page, and to wipeout2048@scee.net (got a delivery failure from that though, so if anyone has an email address for Studio Liverpool I'd appreciate it):
Dear Studio Liverpool,
Please find below a list of issues / bugs experienced by members of WipeoutZone since the release of 2.50. I have put them into two categories - gameplay issues and non-gameplay.
Gameplay issues
Invisible barriers in online Zone Battle, with no warning, often in impossible places. These seem to affect one player in every lobby. Requires a restart of the game.
Numerous, serious lag issues online. Sometimes a player can start several seconds after the others in a lobby. Other in-game lag issues e.g. weapon pads appear available, but the player "behind" you picks it up instead. Weapon behaviour is more unpredictable than before, especially in Eliminator. Players can appear 10 seconds ahead of you, then 3 seconds, then 10 again, all within half a lap. Quakes and leech beams appearing to come backwards towards you in a single race.
All ships are dropping speed through corners, due to the airbrake bug fix. This could be countered by a 2% top speed increase in all ships, allowing players to set new records with effort - at the moment it is near impossible to break the top times because of the decrease in cornering speed.
Reports from some players that specific Barrel Rolls are more difficult (especially some of the advanced Barrel Rolls at lower speeds), and that ships are heavier now.
Collisions slow ships down more than previously.
Starting grid invulnerability is wearing off immediately at the start of a race, causing collisions where one player has a boost start, behind a player who doesn't.
Ships receiving boost starts that don't match their natural performance e.g. Icaras getting ahead of AG-Systems.
Whilst playing in any mode with a custom soundtrack, the game suffers a micro freeze or drop in framerate when the first music track ends and the second is beginning.
Weapon pads appear to flash on and off without players having gone over them. They are however active when a player reaches them.
Non-gameplay issues
Online rank reset to 1 for everybody.
Some players unable to enter any online lobbies.
Online lobbies freezing, requiring restart of the game, or in some cases the PS3.
All lobbies are shown as being US hosted, despite many being EU or Japan hosted.
Leader boards not updating consistently, or in the right order. Zone and Detonator boards seem to be the worst affected.
Frequent game freezes in spectator mode, and when joining lobbies.
"Players Met" list not working at all.
Badge errors at the end of an online game e.g. "Come Back King" being awarded to a player who didn't win.
Long delay in displaying results screen at the end of an online race, and particularly accessing friends' times.
Races appear to be "returning to lobby" as soon as the first lap has completed (or the equivalent in ZB /Elim). The progress meter in the lobby itself does not work either. This does not apply to Vita hosted games however, the progress bar etc. seem to work okay with those.
Two players with the same ID appearing in one lobby (one with a flag i.e. an HD player, and one without i.e. a 2048 player). If it's possible to play "against" oneself via cross-play, this could be abused by people to achieve unfair times.
When you filter the online lobbies to show "friends only" it goes blank (despite numerous friends online). Then when you "unfilter" it to show all lobbies, that's also blank. Requires a restart of the game, before you can join any lobby.
Spectating time e.g. 40.0 seconds spectating an online Single Race, is being uploaded to players' personal best table.
Online post-race boards are showing new records to be tied with player's old personal best, despite this not being the case.
These are all the bugs that have been raised in a thread regarding the latest HD patch: http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/sho...peout-HD-patch. Whilst it's not exhaustive, I think it covers all the major issues we are experiencing. Please could you address these problems before releasing 2.51. I think I speak for everyone when I say we would rather wait a few extra weeks and have the major problems fixed, rather than see 2.51 rushed through with problems remaining.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, and for your continued support of Wipeout HD.
Kind regards,
Adam O'Keeffe
EDIT:
Received a reply within minutes from Studio Liverpool:
Hi Adam,
Thank you for collating these for us and sending them in, we will pass these to our internal QA for testing on our next patch.
For this >Online rank reset to 1 for everybody.
A fix for this will be in 2.51, everyones rank will be restored to "pre server migration" levels *or* to the highes that may have been achieved since.
Thank you again for you time in compiling these, announcements on what we actually fix will be on our assistance page.
Cheers
The Wipeout Team
Great letter. And great reply. I don't know if they can fix out everything but I also like to wait some extra time until the release of the next patch to get the major problems fixed.
Well done gadd, great initiative. =)
About the zb thing : "These seem to affect one player in every lobby." I wouldn't assume that. I've seen both cases of no one and multiple players being affected in a single lobby. Well, I guess they should figure it out with those QAs of theirs.
Edit : and about that bit : "Ships receiving boost starts that don't match their natural performance e.g. Icaras getting ahead of AG-Systems." It looks like the effects of a slight lag, which is accounted for when calculating the times. It's also for them to figure it out I guess^^
If people want to have the same Id going for vita and ps3, they may be playing someone else, OR themselves. Either way, it's their business. You could own two ps3 s with different accounts and do this. We don't need MORE limitations from them, we have enough already. I like the rest of the stuff., OH, also, if they have two accounts in the lobby, they are losing bandwidth, resulting in more lag for them. ( ie, the NA tournament)
People with the same ID are probably brothers or friends playing together in the same house. I really don't think we should ban that. And even if it's the same guy trying to abuse the leaderboards, well, more power to him. It's essentially the same thing as racing alone with a newb, or racing green.
Hi Colonel,
Yeah this sucks big time..
Any news about a new edition of the game?
BR,
AnnoyingOrange72 (Gertjan)
Hi Gertjan! Long time no see mate, how are you? There's no news as far as I know, I think it will be a while before the next patch comes out though.
Patch should be out next blue moon amirite? :lol
I have been playing with the new patch for a couple of weeks now and my main issue is that everything seems much slower online now, like joining a race and waiting for global and friends times to pop up. Makes it a bit frustrating but playable for now.
Oh i see, thats why i was never able to beat any of my previous records, dat corner dat speed decrease, I thought i was getting worse xD
EDIT: Oh and thanks Adam for sending off that letter, if we let things like these go un-noticed, many true fans wont be happy..
So I've installed V2.5
Say hello to a new member of the Trainee I camp
I'm now at level one _l_
So much for playing more than two years(Level 40/41,gone)
I actually liked being level 1 ^.^ I loved how the "higher" level racers mistaken me for a low leveled noob, that is when i beat them by 10 seconds and then they rage quit... LOLOLOLOLOL
Is anyone having trouble trying to get online? I decided to have a go tonight but I can't even get on.
Oh WipEout gods, why are you punishing me?! http://www.ps3trophies.org/forum/ima...es/francis.gif
I haven't played in a while but trying logging out of PSN while in game then selecting online. It's the only way I can access online. I also read today they were doing some sever maintenance for 2048 on the Wipeout 2048 Facebook page, which may also be why you can't get online. Especially if logging while in game out doesn't get you in.
Not only for Wipeout 2048, but for whole PSN there was a server maintenance today roughly from 6 pm GMT+2. I don't know if it's still running. So this might be the reason, why noone could get online. I don't know whether Wipeout online part would be affected by this, but I guess so.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackReign
Is it me or when I play online, I am mainly stuck in the waiting screen for way too long... this is getting annoying..
Yeah its slow now!
But God what a game when you are in the zone :) My thumb is forming a hard patch of skin perfect for quick barrel rolls....
Slow is an understatement. Did they fire their SQA team or something? Ever since 2048 came out, Wipeout -- on both platforms -- has been a buggy pile of crap.
Last night I was trying to play some eliminator to start getting my platinum trophy on the new account, and after waiting five minutes for a single race to stop saying "returning to lobby," I joined one anyway and decided to spectate the race. Instead, it booted me back to the lobby with no error message. So, rather than deal with the network issues, I decided to play some single player elimination instead. The result was this:
http://youtu.be/RxzRfsdP868
It's really irritating trying to finish the platinum trophies on either Wipeout lately. All I've left in both is the multiplayer-specific stuff, but I cannot get online multiplayer to work reliably enough to do them (nevermind the hell that will be Bling Brigate these days). No matter which system I use, I'm constantly booted back to the lobby, put in my own empty rooms (2048 or permanently waiting for people to return to the lobby themselves (HD/Fury).
(OT: Is there a convenient way to embed youtube videos on these forums?)
Link at the top of the reply window - insert video
Also, bear in mind that bugs showing up after a patch may not have necessarily shown up in testing. Some of the more serious ones are not universally experienced, it's safe to assume that the QA team didn't encounter them. Which of course makes it more difficult to fix.
...fairly certain QA are either playing a different game or sippin' moonshine; most likely both :rolleyes:
It makes you wonder, if they ported 2048 to the PS3, would the problems that HD/FURY online now have still be as bad?
Or would that then make 2048's online play worse than it is now?
I haven't had recent problems with the lobby, just seemingly bad [slow to react] handling to what it used to be, the inability to check which rooms friends are in, and the none updating of Players Met......all signs that there is a serious bottle neck with the PSN regarding HD/FURY since crossplay came into being.
I suppose a lot of the various problems experienced by different people come down to the region they are in and the time that they are playing.
If I'm online now days it's usually at the equivalent of around 10am to 12am GMT.
So, here I sit in our dusty old WOHD/Fury sub forum, in a forgotten, ignored and dead thread while a party goes on just above us.:brickwall
Apologies if I got your hopes up.
Not sure, but it looks like these are caused by the patch:
Can confirm all three, happened tonight one by one:
Lobby screen got stuck with the buttons blanked out; I was unable to do anything, even quit; had to restart game. Other players reported the game was waiting for me during this time.
Came obviously second and third in three races, was told I was first for all of them (other player's screen said he was first)
Lost connection to the server during a tournament (god damn it sony) and was unable to reconnect. While I sat watching the 'connect...' screen, I was using PSN to chat and checking the forums. The problem wasn't with me.
Not good enough guys, clean up your act! -.-
Edit: further playing caused the network crash error five times, and the lobby freeze bug another once. I give up for tonight; I'll come back when Sony have learnt how to write a game, because the obviously know stuff-all right now.
Isn't there an official way to go for reporting bugs and defective behaviour?
Applied the patch yesterday. What I now discover:So: I wasn't able to play one single online game since applying the patch. Needless to say: my rank has been reset, too.
- When the main menu opens up the game stutters - that's clearly visible by 1-2sec freezes of the background animation. Happens 4-7 times in a row, then it's over. On my notebook (router) I can see that there's always a network request/response at that time.
- Entering the online menu. Works as expected.
- Join a game / enter the lobby - also works as expected.
- Joining a game is still what it was: in 9 of 10 times my last-used craft is not selected but instead a random one. If I'm lucky, it's always FEISAR.
- Waiting for the running game to finish will give me the error "There was an error whilst contacting the server" or similar, which kicks me back to the main menu.
- Trying to re-enter the online menu never worked. It just showed up the "Contacting" dialog forever. My only workaround is to quit the whole PS3 game and start anew.
- While waiting for a game to finish I can successfully enter the spectator mode. In 3 of 6 times I ended up at the starting grid with all the others also being glued there. However, the other times I was actually following the contenders.
I really hope for a fix. Not everybody is as patient as me and players might forget about WO'HD and never come back... :(
Either send a message through the Wipeout 2048 group on Facebook, or contact Stuart Lovegrove on Twitter
AmigoJack, Studio Liverpool replied very quickly to an email I sent to wipeout2048@scee.net, regarding 2.50 issues.
There's very little point to be honest. SL know the issues. They have been sent lists by various members of the community on facebook, here, via email, telephone. They know what's wrong with the game, they just aren't planning on fixing it. WipEout HD has had it's patch, and online will continue to tick over in whatever way it still can (considering that it doesn't really work at all now), that is all. There will be no more major fixes/patches for WOHD, that much was confirmed by SL as long as 2 months ago.
The leaderboards are updating with new times, take it and go. That's what SL will tell you.
I did notice that a member of the ps blog signed up here a few days ago, so im not sure if that means anything...
I recognised the name because someone here mentioned them just days before.
edit, i guess i should read from the 2048 section of the forum a bit more lol. ignore this post :lol
Thanks. Sadly SMTP responds with a permanent failure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel__Gaddafi
...so either you have a typo or they gave up on all the e-mails they got.Code:550 Invalid recipient <wipeout2048@scee.net> (#5.1.1) (state 13)
There will be no major patches for WOHD. That's probably true, but SL mentioned on the WO2048 facebook-page that they are working on a 2.51-patch that will fix the online rank.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeldar2097
I can't fathom why you added a "but" to your sentence.
I was a bit unclear. My point is that they are still working on the game. 2.51 could very well be the last patch for WOHD so perhaps they want to correct some Cross play issues and other things with this patch. Zone Battle isn't working properly for example.
I don't need any new features with 2.51. I just want the leader-boards and all of the various bugs and glitches fixed (random freezes, zone battle, leech beam, etc).
Yeah, just make the game work like in the description when they sold it. I watched the WHD making of trailer today, was smiling when they mentioned that "another cool feature is to race online against your enemys and update your race time to the leaderboards" kinda like this. Yeah, whatever^^
Is anyone having trouble playing online? every 2 or 3 races i get kicked out and it says "An error has occurred, unable to retrieve universe list"
its doing my head in lol.