In a word, no. If you ripped assets from games that is copywright theft and Sony won't be happy.
And why not just make something original rather than just copying what exists? In the mean time just use simple boxes as dummies when testing, and sort out the game logic first.
Who said that i want to put tracks from original Wipeout to our? I just want to do an overview of possible ways for making this game... (i know that we can't copy anything from original games):rolleyes:
You wont learn very much from doing this- at best you will see how developers model assets suitable for low end hardware. But as far as programming, you will get very little.
The bottom line is people on this thread need to do a reality check. Modelling, thinking up ideas and drawing are easy. What is hard is making it all work and doing the programming- something I realised very soon after starting this as a hobby.
Its why my Blender manual is so worn out, you have to accept that there are no short cuts or silver bullets and start learning to code. This is the reason why I chose Blender, as it has graphical logic blocks that I can understand, and Python for advanced work. I used to use Gamestudio but I realised my skill level was too low at that time to learn Lite C (the language it uses) which is similar to C. Even now I struggle, but I resist trying to look too deeply into other commercial games as it just wastes time and energy. But as I struggle to learn Python /BGE logic you start to see how games should be structured. This is important as you learn solid foundations that serve you better in the long run rather than grasping at straws hoping a quick fix is a Google search away.
I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but unless people understand this fact then this thread will just fill up with ideas and drawings and not what it was created for, which was to make a simple fan-made game.
Ok, i understand you clearly8)
Gosh!I still can't make the Fh work... Can you send me a floating box example so I can see what's missing?
Oh, and I have concept drawings of two ships... I'll post them tomorrow.
Woops.. sorry for the double post... I accidently pressed quote instead of edit...
Here is a very simple demonstation of using the fh dist setting. Remember:
Do FH must be enabled on the actor (in this case the cube). The cubes physics setting is DYNAMIC.
The ground is set to STATIC. Under the materials for the ground, set DYN to on, play with the various physics settings to reduce/ eliminate the springyness. Dampening will eliminate it.
W moves right and S goes left.
This is my limit at the moment, still learning. I'm finding the transtion to 2.55/ 2.56 very confusing so this is from 2.49.
Hope this helps!
Thanks a LOT! I have 2.49 too...
So, yeah! I made a simple game in blender, just to put the Fh to test and it's really good, with the little problem of the ship spinning out of control when it touches the wall, even if it is just a scratch...
Excellent news, I'm glad its all starting to work- post some screenshots if you can! If its not being cheeky can you post the blend file? I wouldnt mind having a look at something that works.
As far as the control issues, you may want to play with the ships mass settings (in the actor panel) to make it harder for collisions to make it spin out of control. Another way might be to ghost the ship and link it to a primitive shape, as this may make the collision engine more predictable and less unstable.
At the minute I am looking at servo movement as this may give the feeling of 'drift' in the controls
Well, here's the blender file:
http://www.4shared.com/file/I4U0stCT/Wo_blend_game.html
Keys:
up arrow - accelerate
left and right - turn
R - Restart
Thanks for sharing!
Thats a realy good start, cetainly is good to see a logic set up in action. Now you can try out your tracks once you have tweaked the handling. You may want to look at constraints for the ships motion too, stopping any bad crashes!
I bet you loved it when you saw your ship flying around! I zoomed out and saw the track- very Zone like!
One question though, what does the ray sensor and the python script do? I'm guessing it aligns the ship to the surafce normal. If this is the case, there is an option 'rotate from normal' in the physics section that might do something similar.
Yeah, I liked it a lot... I'll see about those constrains...
The ray sensor and script indeed aligns the object to the track's faces normal.
The ship has a texture map... I forgot to include it on the pack...
About the constraint: I used a directional constraint, but it's set to the global y axis. Is there any way to set it to the local y axis? Or should I use an angular velocity constraint?
Xpand how is the track me and feasier made going
Xpand: have you tried using the L button on the constraint logic panel? When its active (ie pressed down) it uses the objects local axis.
Gotta see that...
Jesse, I want to finish the game basics before making the models...
I'm thinking of making these too:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2024/protonx.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8070/agsfx200.jpg
Now I'm addicted to profile views, lol!
i thought of how they can make their own custom ship skins
and image that is pretty much the skin of the entire ship
then the name it like
Pretend the ships a triakis
TRIAKIS.CUSTOMSKIN
rather then them having to program the skin they just then put it in the skin folder and they can cycle it on off in the actual game
Details... I have the speed pads config on blender. I used a ray sensor and properties.
Did you ever sort out the handling of the ships Xpand? I've been trying but I think some spin on collision is inevitable. Have you got a demo blend with these speed pads? They sound pretty cool!
Find attached my experimentation with force field constraints- at the minute they are exaggerated so I can see if they are working (or not!). I thought they might be useful as they can be assigned on or off (kind of like auto assist in WO HD). The only problem is the track has to be designed in a certain way to stop physics glitches but they have potential.
im not sure what i can use to open the blend files what can i use
They open in a 3d program called Blender.
where can i download this program
I have a blend file here, just let me finish what I'm doing...
Huh, the spinning is a little boring... I guess I could make two invisible objects: one on the tail of the ship and the other on the nose. Add a script so their property became true when their axis rotated 180 degrees and then add a actuator on the ship to add a torque force until the property becomes false again...
Xpand: That sounds a good way to stop the rotation, the other way I thought of was to use the parent actuator. Have a dummy set as the physics object with the visible player ship parented to the dummy. When the dummy registers a hit with the track sides (set via materials) it could be possbile to unparent the ship from the dummy and stop the spinning (as at that point only the dummy has collided with anything).
One cheating way might be to use the Python car script. This will stop the ships drifting as the ship is guided using invisible wheels and may (due to anisotropic friction) stop the wild spins at high speed. This would also mean you would have to fake the hovering motion with an IPO etc. but it is doable.
I had hoped force fields would solve this issue (and they have to a degree)- though I think Python is the way to go to fine tune things.
Ok, updated Blend file time! Find attached a semi-good handling set up. Its still a bit slippery, but the players ship does not spin out when it hits something. The track is just a tester so you are meant to hit the sides!
Update number 2, tweaked the handling some more.
jesse9705: http://www.blender.org/
I can't start the game on your file... must be some compatibility issue...
Anyways,here goes the speed pad file.
8) Thanks for the file, will learn lots from that!
I forgot to add that I've made the jump to 2.56a, now I know what I'm doing it is a better layout than 2.49b. I've tried opening the file in 2.49 and you are right as it fails to open. If you want you can install 2.56a into another separate folder. I use this setup as it means I can take a look at older files pre 2.56, and they don't interfere with each other.
The only problem I have at the minute is I seem to have a strange bug in the movement of the ship, but aside from that it seems to be quite 'Wipeout'-y. I will post back when its cracked!
Thinking about it some more, you could apply the same logic to making a pit lane, if the ray hits the pit lane texture/ model the players energy value increases. I stupidly forgot I can make standalone runtimes: You can download the handling test here: (Its 17.3mb ish and named WO.zip).
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2MQ1Q3FN
Its been a while, so here is an update! (2.56 file though).
Been tinkering with logic blocks etc and I have got a working energy meter that recharges and never goes over a set limit, plus I have also included the speedboost logic from Xpand. The ship also has a slow parented camera and collisions do not spin the ship. The level is pretty simple so still lots to do. By the way, if the energy drops to zero, the placeholder game over scene appears (a black looking box).
cant seem to open some of these they are .250 files? what's wrong then?
The files require 2.56a, which as far as I know is the latest beta of blender.
Sorry for coming so late ( 1 yr later). Can i help? I'm not good at programming but, making clay models and drawing is wat I can do. So can I? If you can sent photos of how far you guys are and I'll work from there.
I have not worked with XNA before but I am pretty good with visual C#.
let me know If i can be of any assistance with the XNA thing.
Well, at the moment we're trying out the physics in Blender, then we'll make the shift to C type programs.
If I'm being honest, I am only creating a Blender template to a point and then my racing game will diverge from the Wipeout mould. As well as this I will stick with Blender and learn Python, and when I feel confident then I may try C.
By the way, added side shifting- if you toggle 'tap' on the keyboard sensor it stops people sideshifting continuously.
My next challenge will be to do a race start countdown, and then AI.
Gotta check that AI thing... Do you use recorded physics or real AI?
I will try to use / develop real AI that reacts to the environment / other ships. I have some ideas but it will take a while to build, luckily Blender excels in allowing rapid prototyping- I have already got a working 3-2-1-go! style countdown after about 30 mins tinkering.
Recorded physics would be OK, Ive seen (and linked to) YouTube videos with this happening but I would prefer the real thing if I can.
I have tried to read as many articles on racing AI as I can, however, most are just too complicated so I may try for a waypoint system.
I'll take that as a no...
No one said no! We don't have ships nor real tracks yet. You can start making some concepts for those!
We have track, my corridon6, or you just don't like it. If so, then i'll do my best to make it raceable (or how you spell that) and i'll work some on scale, becouse it's still too BIG environment:mr-t. Track is not suitable for phantom speed too, i must flatten it a little)
btw. About progrraming... hmmmmm, no time, that's all. I've completly thrown my school lessons to "recycle bin" :turd. Making up slowly makes my busy all the time:twisted
Oh, right yeah! I forgot that one sorry! :P
Ohh, ok! ( Don't be mad at me...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xpand
python is very easy to learn, so is C. you should start with C as python is primarily an interpreted language. learn the data structures and move on from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotational_aspect
Crash8308> While Python is only an interpreted language, for me its a good start as I am a bit of a slow learner and I like the tight intergration with Blenders engine (i.e. the logic blocks of BGE allow me to visualise things more easily). In the future (when I have time to sit back- which is never:D) I may give C a go, but at the minute this is just a fun hobby and accessibility is key. Once apon a time I did start to use a program called Gamestudio which had a C like language but that just was too hard for my skill level at the time.