If you have a connection fast enough to play the game smoothly online, it really shouldn't take much more than 15 minutes, right?
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If you have a connection fast enough to play the game smoothly online, it really shouldn't take much more than 15 minutes, right?
Ahahahahahaha! 15 minutes?! That would make the game around 70mb with my average dl speed :g
The joys of broadband eh? :P
Alright, a chance for a 'pissing contest'! Two nights ago, I downloaded a free 575 Meg 3D landscape program. It took less than 13 minutes. [And it would have been less than half that if their server could have delivered it as fast as my connection will go. So the real ultimate limitation on download speed is how much of a load the onsite server can deliver, not on the rate you can take it. It may not be worth paying for the extra download speed. Most servers do not seem to deliver data nearly as fast as the one I'm talking about did, which was about 750 KiloBytes/5.65 Megabits per second]
Too bad the program was crap. One day after I installed it, I uninstalled it and the installer as well. More than a GB of wasted space.
But back on topic, one or more people from SCEE definitely watch this thread, whatever their purpose in doing so may be, for good or ill as defined by the posters here.
I know dl speed isn't just dependent on one's connection, tis plain :)
Having said that I have NEVER managed to obtain over ~90Kb/s at my house so I reckon my net has something to do with it. Damn you countryside internet! :lol
/offtopic
PMs here we come :+
/epic unsubtlety :g
Or for naught, since they're probably not involved in ad-related decisions. Maybe they want to play the game without ads. :nodQuote:
Originally Posted by Lance
Really, I wouldn't fear some retaliatory move. Do they really want to cage their paying customers into watching ads and enforce against clearly innocent means to avoid watching them? Do they really think spam war is a good business model?
Wow! I actually got a reply from sony norway about my desire to cancel my purchase of wipeout hd. It was of course only an automatic reply, but still.:P
What it said was something like this : We have recently updated our user-agreement to reflect certain changes made lately, and it included a link to this new and improved agreement. Only problem is, the agreement doesn't exist in norwegian (norwegian site points to english text version) which makes it invalid in norway. Also, the agreement was last updated 15. october 2008, which doesn't really make it recent. There is an updated user agreement available in norwegian, but only for the ps3 firmware:brickwall
I sent them a reply asking for an answer from a real human pointing me towards a valid user-agreement allowing them to force-feed me ads, and also pointed out the fact that they are breaking norwegian law. I'm eagerly awaiting an answer:)
(@Lance : No, I'm not gonna sue them, I'm just going to be a pain in the ass until they give me a good answer:nod).
Thumbs up for you, Dr. Mannevond.
For anyone SC** reading, calculate this:
my new beamer is not a S**Y, congratulations.
The update 2.10 is a big part of that decision.
now calculate how many Rockys ads you have to force
on customers to earn this loss.
Have fun, salesmen.
Wow. I could go on, but Id hate to ruin the flow here...
Overreactive comes to mind though.
I really, really hate commercials myself-- but even I am amazed at the backlash evident in this thread.
The inclusion of commercials seems to have taken the wind out of the sails for WOHD in a big way, if this thread is any indication.
(You guys should go play WipEout PurE now instead!)
Hehe, yeah, I can be a grumpy bastard sometimes:), but I honestly don't think I'm overreacting. It's pretty obvious to me that this is just the first small steps down a very slippery slope, and the more Hell we raise now the bigger the chance they will think twice before doing something like this again in the future (Ok, not bloody likely since this is the second time already...). And it's not that I just hate commercials (well, I do), but it's the specific way they have been stuffed down our throats, and they couldn't even bother to implement it in a way that makes sense. I wouldn't have a problem with this if it was in-game billboards or holograms or corporate logos on the ship skins, but it's not. It's a forced commercial break between races that completely ruins the feel of the game. If the game was free, or cheaper I could even handle that, but it's not. I paid money for an ad-free game. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by abukii
Edit : @Abukii : Just noticed you're from the US, so I guess you're a bit more used to commercials than I am. I have to admit that the first time I was in the US I was shocked at the sheer amount of ads everywhere. The problem is, that's not the norm, it's the exception. And when an American company cooks up an ad-delivery system like this and base their decisions on market research done in NY, LA and London there's bound to be friction, because they are forcing something they see as normal on a bunch of people (Europeans to start with) who don't. I'm not dissing the US or anything, I love it here (I'm typing this from my brother's couch in Jacksonville) and I spend a couple of months here every year, but man, it's great to come home and turn on the TV and not see an ad for a whole half hour:D
You should be watching PBS? Sometimes you can watch tv on PBS for an hour, an hour and a half, or even two hours without seeing a commercial. On commercial tv, it will generally be 10 minutes or less between commercials, and the commercials will last for five minutes.
I'm an American who has grown up with commercials everywhere, and I despise very nearly one-hundred percent of them. It is rare to see a commercial that is entertaining and which doesn't fundamentally expect you to be too stupid to see its manipulations or ask the obvious questions which would undermine its claims. And so many of them are loud. Bless that man who worked for the Zenith company [former manufacturers of tv and radio and et cetera] and invented the remote control. Commercials usually produce in me the opposite reaction to what they were intended to, so that I feel ill-will toward the company that sponsored them. Exceptions to this exist, but they sit in isolated lonely splendour.
BTW, hello from Orlando. :)
My feelings exactly when it comes to commercials. I usually loose all hope in humanity after an hour of TV.:D
BTW : If you look out your window right about now you might see my niece flying past on the Polar Express. She will be the one going :hyper:lol
I didn't know it passed through here. I shoulda been waiting outside for it; I've not been to see Santa for a long time. What did I do with that bell? hmmmmm....
I stopped watching TV almost completely a few years ago. Used to just be cable news and the History Channel, but then I discovered MVGroup and figured out that the news wasn't really informing me of anything. So after I started living on my own, I didn't see the need to buy cable. I didn't even have a TV for a while. Really! I remember thinking as a kid what that would have been like and it was, well, unthinkable. But it's much easier now with the Internet. :pc
After four or five months, a friend bought a plasma screen and gave me his old CRT. I thought I would just play some PS1 games on it, but it happened. It's a precious memory, the fascination of being very bored and looking for something good "over the air" with an antenna, watching those ads saying to get ready for the change to digital. I was looking at it with fresh eyes, noticing the analog signal coming through the static and thinking "this will never happen again."
I discovered "Two and a Half Men" and then laughed my ass off. Pretty soon I was watching it every day and had conversations with friends that included phrases like, "did you see yesterday's episode?" It felt so retro and charming. Along with the show itself, it made me remember being a naughty kid watching TV when I wasn't supposed to or watching a show that was too grown-up for me.
It was all free and non-commital. I didn't have to read an agreement or subscribe to anything. It was like a gift. No, it actually was a gift. I could take it or leave it and not give it another thought. I could watch it without feeling susceptible to contractual manipulation. The ads came with it like wrapping or interesting package stuffing. It got in the way some, but you knew that their purpose was to keep the contents protected for you, so that when you unwrapped it you'd find something good. So yeah, there were ads, but I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.
If Wipeout HD were free, and it relied on television-style loading screen ads? That'd be great. The chance to play it would be a gift for all and each person could take it or leave it, no worries. The pressure would be on SL and its advertisers to make the game worth playing, not worth buying. That's the key distinction that game makers are ironically not used to making. Instead they've been primarily concerned with making a game worth buying. How much it's worth playing is an important but secondary concern. This is manifested in WHD by things like increased frame-dropping and broken leaderboards. That's just the nature of the one-time purchase business model.
An entirely ad-supported business model would put primary focus on making the game worth playing again and again. It would have to be designed so that it wouldn't push people away but invite and welcome them. I am not against that and imagine a lot of people aren't, so I think it would be a sustainable business model. Unfortunately that's not what was tried. They tried both strategies and so lost their focus. Forget the art and the quality of the game for a second. This is flawed business management. There's no coherent strategy for bringing this game to market and making a profit.
That's the real reason I don't fear any updates that would "fix" the ad avoidance method of a fresh reinstall and making sure to always start the game offline. They're just not focused enough to implement that sort of strategy, much less have the daring to try.
Same here, not only have they ruined the game but the film too. Its just not on:bombQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Phantom_89
I only get Rocky and Braveheart. Fight Club is too brutal to be shown in germany lol.
It is a little strange that we get only one or two ads now. Maybe there will be no new ads?? But I still need to get rid of them.
I think i try a fresh install.
Strangely enough, I haven't had any ads for 2 days now. Is this too good to be true? Probably
@Lance : Apparently the Polar Express broke down yesterday, so it never got out of the station:p
@Koleax : History Channel used to be the only channel I ever bothered watching too, but after my local cable company decided they'd rather have another sports-channel instead I just stopped watching TV. I've been slinking back occasionally after I got BBC entertainment, which is commercial free, thank god. I also watch the news on the norwegian version of PBS, NRK, just because it sounds so cool when you pronounce it (It's short for 'Norsk Rikskringkasting'. I dare any of you to pronounce it correctly:)), and because it's paid for through taxes like BBC, so they can do stunts like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWwQhPF-M6A
without having to worry about losing any money over it (It's from their main competitor's evening news, which is a commercial channel):D
On-topic : Why is everyone seeing ads for movies. All I get is Motorstorm and Ghostbusters. By now I would be thrilled to see one of the infamous Rocky ads.
Oddly enough, in the last 5 days, Ive played HD twice and not a single ad in either of the sessions. When I was getting them it was Fat Princess.
I have NO ADS for at least one week. My friend don't have them too :dizzy