I don't think I told you how much I suck at making logos. Very rarely do I make something that is genuinely good, and even then I can't do it on a computer, I have to do it by hand (the FEISAR logo I made is an exception, since it was pretty much a happy accident). Computer Art is not my Forté.
As for the Computer Voice, just give Hellfire_WZ a Vocoder.
That Vocoder is the thing I am looking for by myself ;)
Maybe I re-install my MAGIX 2008 since it had a nice Vocoder plugin and I could add up audio recorded voice with anything ;)
I can probably come up with a bunch of different logos, companies, and general logo sets.. What is it exactly that you need?
Also, TypeProton, I noticed your team was from Hawaii. If there are already some logos created for it, it could be appropriate to place them around my track, which is located there. So are there any logos for it already or do they still need to be created?
@dread maybe you can create the symbols for the pickups? You can find the list + description in Gdocs. For the pickups, I thought about something not too complex. Something that goes into the direction of the WOHD symbols.
Oh and my friend will help me out with the voices for the pickup animation videos.
So whoever is free for creativity can check the Gdocs file/weapon section/read description and develop a short text to be spoken. I don't know what is best, to make it just scientific or add up some cheeky fun into it, you know what I mean?
A while back I created a symbol for the Afterburner (Turbo replacement). Basically, the Afterburner is like the Turbo, but it is feel based, so you can either use it in short bursts (that way it lasts longer and you don't go flying off the track, but it isn't as powerful), or you can hold it down to use it all at once (in which case, it is identical to the Turbo). It has fuel which works kinda like 'ammo' for the item.
The symbol is designed to combine the style of WipEout HD's Turbo with that of WipEout Pure's turbo. It has three arrows, one of them is thin, the next one has a medium thickness,and the last one is extra thick. In addition, they have varying opacities.
Basically, like in WipEout Pure it visually describes the concept of Increased Distance over a Fixed Timespan, but it is still recognizable as Turbo because of the arrows. Also, I rotated it 45 degrees.
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Now, it is only a mockup, so it isn't High-Quality. I also included the WipEout HD/WipEout Pulse version so that you can compare them.
Hey if you could make it high quality & delete the green section, I think it would be a pretty nice turbo symbol :)
I am thinking about having no background color at all, but the problem might be while racing and having a white sky, the symbol is hard to read. But on the other hand, if we use rdmx HUD, there are white letters anyway.
I just think we should go away from the hexagon-shape, it's too much WOHD-alike and actually I don't like it [don't like it in Wipeout either^^]
I don't think you understand. I CAN'T make it Hihg-Quality with any of the software I have. In order to make it High-Quality, I would have to make it again from scratch, but then it would look like crap.
Also, the green part is there because I couldn't get rid of it, and unless you use the 2097 or Wip3out HUD when playing WipEout HD, you may notice that there is a colored hexagon around it that tells you what category it goes in (Defensive, Offensive, Deployable).
Finally, I said Mock-Up for a reason.
Oh, okay sorry. Then I just don't understand why you posted it anyway :P
& yeah of course I know about the colorisation of the hexagon for displaying the cathegory but I anyway think it doesn't look nice to have some non-transparent whatever-shaped place with a color and a symbol in it. I'd rather have a standalone symbol.
Maybe TypeProton & dreads can make some nice symbols then.
I just gave it to you guys for reference.
Doc, what I will do is create a concept page with all the pickups on it. If you do a google image search for 'wipeout HD fury concepts', you'll see they create 'style sheets', and place a bunch of stuff on there to present it to their superior. I'll be doing a similar thing here. Should be done with the first one by wednesday, but I might make more to cater for all the different HUDs we have. And regarding the hexagons: it all comes down to the style of the HUD that the player is using.
That would be awesome :)
But don't rush anything, take your time!
This is a vector loosely based off amaloq's turbo icon.
http://xhair.net/turbo.svg
Looks good so far rdmx!
Yep, looks pretty cool!
Here's something from my end:
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The outside is almost complete. I only need to add the logos and map the airbrakes and some other details.
Then I'm moving on to the insides of the ship.
I was wondering on a soundtrack for the ship selection menu... And I came up with the idea of making something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPf28...feature=relmfu
That music kept playing on my head while I made the ship hangar models. :g
Amaroq, not AmaloqQuote:
Originally Posted by rdmx
Anyway, that looks cool. But don't forget the opacities.
The thin Chevron is completely transparent, the medium-sized chevron is slightly translucent, and the wide chevron is opaque. Also, I rotated it 45 degrees, to compromise between the newer games and the older games.
TL : DR: It looks great! Keep up the good work!
The iFreet ship looks awesome, Xpand! I love the mixture of the white & red color. Although it is a little similar to AG-Systems, I think this one will be my favourite ship in SSGX already, hehe. Music sounds good, if we can create something like this on our own, it's okay with me.
Uhh yesterday I created the scene for Phantomizer but made some mistake in track placement, the ships didn't hover but scratched over the track, I saw that too late xD. Anyway, I set up Vue on my lap & on my comp now so I can multi-render stuff now.
Now for rendering Rockets, Missile, Canon & stuff like that, should I also use a "placeholder" for the actual projectile or do we have models of a rocket, a missile etc. which I should use?
I think you should do mock ups now, and re-render them with the actual tracks and models once each weapon comes online.
Sorry about the double post, but I've completed the pickups design sheet :) You can see it here: http://i47.tinypic.com/1pyqhe.jpg
That picture is a jpeg, but you can PM me on here or skype and I'll send the png. I didn't upload it because of the file size, what with all the extra vectors and stuff.
Please read the 'information' blurb in the image!
I've also given the most recent build of the game a play and here is my wrap-up. Aplogies if you already know about stuff here:
- Cassandra is looking really sexy. :O The graphics overall are really nice, like the explosions and that start-line-laser.
- The soundtrack is very nice, although a bit hard to hear over the sound of the ships. But at least we have sound now :)
- The game plays really well when using a pad or 360 controller, the ship is very easy to handle. By contrast, it plays horrible with the keyboard. The keyboard keys need to have a turning rate at least 150% what they have now, as it's impossible to get around corners that are easy with the pad, which is instant. So yeah, speed up the keys!
- The ship has a tendancy to crash into it's own bullets when you fire them. :/ At least, that's what it looks like.
- Double-check that AI ships respawn correctly if they fall off the track. I've caught one that was left in the void.
- Sometimes bumping into the guy in front will shunt you backwards as if you t-boned a wall.
- The side shift needs to be tweaked a bit. At the moment, you need to sideshift as you enter the corner to give yourself enough room - sideshifting as you exit to pull yourself away from the wall is unweildy and seems to fail a lot (although that may be just me being bad at the game; I got used to the sideshift after a while). Regardless, try looking into: Instead of a sudden jump to the side, try a constant push over the length of a second or so, like in HD?
- There appear to be duplicate options for Side Shift (+) and (-) in the input menu.
That's all! The game is fun, plays smoothly, and works well! :)
A second may not seem like much in everyday life, but in the context of a game that is a lot of time.
Make the Side-Shift's 'push' last about 250 or 500 ms.
Also, what about my idea of making the mouse emulate an analogue stick? Where if you move your mouse further away from the center of the screen, the ship would move faster in that direction? Similar to being able to move your crosshair around a screen in an arcade shooter, but it also controls turning.
@dreadofmondays: Sorry, but everything u mentioned was fixed long time ago after releasing the demo xd Duplicate of input for sideshifts is because one is for keyboard and one is for game pad.
@Amaroq: Or use mouse to pitch and steer left/right OR real crosshair just for aiming with weapons as mentioned reaaaaaaally long time ago, before I became a programmer :P
Hold on. Let me show you what I'm talking about. It will take a few minutes.
EDIT: I'm done with the picture. This is what I was talking about.
The dots present the location of the mouse, the text tells you what the ship is doing.
@zero: good to hear :)
@amaroq: Seems easy enough to do, just reset the pointer in the window at the beginning, and then compare this resetted position to the position it is currently in for x and y, normalize those two numbers and apply them to horizontal/vertical input. :)
School is coming back around, so I won't be as active. Fortunately, as it is an Online school, I can still be at home, and I am pretty much required to be on my computer >:D
@Amaroq I get your idea with the mouse. Although I don't know if I will use mouse to play the game, I really like your idea, should be working fine!
@Dreads Dude that's AWESOME! You created all those logos on your own? How could you even come up with all the ideas? I saw rdmx' & Amaroq's turbo symbol in it, hehe.
So to give you some feedback:
-> First of all, I love the idea to place the cathegory color of the symbol into the symbol itself instead of using the background, that's great.
-> The only thing I am not really a fan of is having different pickup symbols for each HUD... I think it would be too confusing to re-learn each symbol's meaning when choosing another HUD. I prefer to stick to one symbol for a pickup in the entire game.
-> The ones I like the most are "sprites" [they should face right side I think], "Assembly" & "Quintuplets". I assume we pick one of these styles and you create logos for each weapon in that style then, right?
-> The picture design itself is great, but it's a little too much going into the original Wipeout thing IMO. But if you all guys are ok, I'd like to use this one on our website. Or, you could re-create it & make it look less-WOHD alike [and maybe on white BG for the website].
-> I also really love that Slipstream GX logo on the upper right corner. You used it before, right? Do you have a bigger HQ version of it? What do the other guys think if this would be our official logo?
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I had that in a really old menu mockup.
You should try and keep everything as clean and simple as possible. Some of the designs are pretty, but needlessly complicated.
I also had an idea of being able to us the WASD keys instead of the arrowkeys for movement. Why? Because in most computer games I've played, there was an option to use the WASD keys instead, and it just feels more natural to me than reaching for the arrow keys with my left hand.
Yep, agreed. And also the other keys like shooting, absorbing etc. can be placed better.
Since I totally messed up my Phantomizer-animation yesterday [must have been tired] I went for something easier today. Am rendering Impulse now...
Idk, I kinda suck at racing games using the WASD for navigation. I'm okay with it in shooters, but whenever a racing game comes with that setting I have to change it to the arrowkeys so I can play with my right hand. It just feels unnatural to me, and my left hand coordination sucks. I'm used to use that side of the keyboard to accelerate, brake or use any other features of the game. Maybe you're left handed, I guess? That's why you use the left hand on the arrow keys, right?
I guess we can put two key settings and select them on a menu...
Anyways, I made the cockpit for the iFreet. Added a low poly roll cage to give it a bit more detail, since it has a very large empty area...
I also added the green on the top, but it kinda looks like a large bird took a cr*p there and the owner of the ship just let it stay out in the sun for a week:
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No, I don't use my left hand with the arrow keys. The reason why I can't use my right hand for the arrow keys is because I can't use my mouse with my left hand, I have to use it with my right hand.
Actually I play shooters with WASD & can play racing games on both WASD and arrow keys. Oh and I am right handed.
iFreet looks great but I also think the green part doesn't really fit to the rest of the ship. Maybe another shape and black color would do it, but it's hard to imagine it for me right now how it looks alike then :P
Since Impulse is still rendering [laptop is crap for handle 3D rendering stuff], I will try to write some nice descriptions for each pickup...
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10hours time calculation FTW. Vue's calculator is awesome sometimes xD
Don't know what docfo4r's problem is. I think the green looks fine.
But you really should take my suggestion of making the red just a tad bit darker. And maybe add a tiny yellow stribe just above the red one (much thinner than the red one, and with a tiny bit of white in between).
After looking at this, I am really looking forward to hearing some electronic music in the game that focuses more on things like synth instruments and ambience and whatnot. Just imagine a set of calm, ambient tracks for the various menus and zone mode and stuff.
Hmm I wouldn't put too much colors on the ship... White, red, black, green, yellow. Feels like an overload then.
Xpand if you like to use the green, then maybe put it on the top of the ship only, maybe that wouldn't look like bird sh*t anymore ;)
I found a way to make it blend well:
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I guess that's it for the exterior.
BTW I'm on skype if anyone needs to talk.
Uhh yeah I love it, good work :)
great stuff xpand I approve. you got all the stuff I wanted though in case we might want to avoid directly using names from the real wipeout franchise I did make a logo for what I imagined becoming mirage in the future the "imagine" logo if you remember very simple black and white thing (though thats only if we feel we cant use mirage there but that's up to the commitee
The imagine logo is on the other side. Well, mirage has a very broad meaning... But I'll change it for something less suspicious...
Anyways, here's an attempt to make some soft menu music...
http://soundcloud.com/rbng-1/ozone
ah ok hms hms... well I wasn't thinking that we neccesarily need to change it but if we all agree that we do then maybe we should change it until then though I'm happy to have it there man :)
also I approve of this menu music, and on the subject of music does anyone know whether xpandrome is still roaming around the forum? he made some smashing tunes intended for wipeout (as a fan project but inspired by and intended for listening to when you're playing wipeout) perhaps we should ask him if he wants a song or two in SSGX?
I like the music! Can already imagine scrolling through the menu while listening to this tune :)
Thanks man :) Don't worry if it looks like a lot of work, it's fun and fairly simple to knock out.Quote:
Originally Posted by docfo4r
Those 'sheets' in the future I'll do them in a more unique style than the WOHD menu ;)
Okay, well I will focus on Sprites first and make a literal 'sprite-sheet' ;) of them. Should be done in a couple days.
Ahah, been looking for this. This is a nice logo, we should be using this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdmx
Well, I also have this one that I released a while ago:
http://soundcloud.com/rbng-1/future-mist
Pretty monotonous in a good way, like for some sort of stat menu or something. It reminds me of the main menu music "Gateway" from AC4 for some reason...
Shorten the intro and voilá...