That would be great, but....I thought DR was kaput?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacker X
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That would be great, but....I thought DR was kaput?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacker X
I know this was meant to be a shining example of sarcasm but if you really did use a State Farm avatar because they paid you so, I couldn't care less. It would not make my visits to this forum unpleasant at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier
Any publicity is good publicity, right?
With this news, WipEout HD gets talked of more than ever.
But it still disappoints me that Sony/SL doesn't think better of their game, and accept to place intrusive ads in it.
Actually, are people getting annoyed at these ads because...
a) It's from State Farm (ie. don't care).
b) It's making the loading screen longer.
c) No one told us / We already paid for the game.
Don't forget options D and E.
D - it's the same ad over, and over, and over, and over....
E - All of the above..
I'll take E) All of the above
Is this ad perpetual?
I mean could it be possible that this ad might delete itself after a certain length of time,maybe only to be replaced by another?
B.
C.
I'm most pissed about C-
I'm sure they'll replace it with something else over time, but that wouldn't make the situation any less intrusive-Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwiggle
When Splintercell had advertisements for Nivea I thought it was done superbly. Companies need to protect their IP when it comes to advertising. Videogames are not movies or tv shows. Product placement can be managed in tv and film but in games it all too quickly becomes overkill ruining the experience completely.
I was dubious about paying for non physical media that I can't resell (wipeout is an exception as I wouldn't sell it on anyway) but there is a tipping point. The point where people turn off a game and the IP is no longer attractive.
PROTECT YOUR IP. You won't realise its value until it's gone forever.
b & c - it doesn't matter what an ad is for, but pretending the game is still loading to give the ad more time is a crock (a dishonest crock). Wipeout is a franchise in which in-game advertising could easily be done right without it being jarring - it already has billboards around the track. BF2142 had billboards, and the companies that advertised on them had to make the ads look like they fit into that near-futuristic setting. Similarly, Burnout Paradise has in-game billboards which don't detract from the gameplay at all. But this - this is bullshit.
Bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamasutra
Understatement, much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamasutra
Sure, make a bad name for yourselves, Double Fusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamasutra
Hmmm, lets think about this. There is a recession on. Spending money on shitty adverts that will have up to zero effect on the gaming population because most people who play games are most likely to be children, and children will not be intrested in insurance, some sort of energy drink or alcohol, or some other convoluted patronizing bull is not a good idea.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamasutra
Not sure if this was already posted (will check later) but if this is true it's unacceptable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX4f9zts6JM
I'll be keeping my ps3 offline for the moment until I learn more.
I don't remember who it was here who said it, but one of you said "complaining won't help and never has before".
Prepare to eat your words.
Post on Kotaku (which I can only see through the RSS feed reader for some reason), says the following:
"Sony scrap Wipeout HD Loading Ad"
"The people have spoken. Spoken angrily. And Sony have listened, removing the worst of the in-game advertising from WIpeout HD only 24 hours after it was first officially announced.
'The ad has been removed from Wipeout HD,' a Sony rep told Eurogamer. 'and we are investigating the situation to ensure that any in-game advertising does not affect gameplay.'
Note that this doesn't mean all advertising in the game has been removed, only the ad that was causing the annoying increased load times."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/so...wipeout-advert
If this carries on, I'm gonna NOT buy a PS3.
Instead I'll get the cheaper Xbox 360...
In-game adverts, adverts whilst game loads... that's just selling out.
Game developers never had to do this before so why start now?
Go get a 360. You've gotta pay for Xbox Live *AND* deal with ads in the main interface. lol
Do you know which game will never have adverts? LittleBigPlanet.:lol
Oh bollox... PS3 it is then...
What beats me is that Sony didn't do this before - so why start now? They don't need the money that's for certain!
wow, i didn't think sony would act on fan backlash. consider me impressed :)
and to douse the fanboy war, the ads on xbox's main dash are fully optional, you have to go to them then slide onto them to view them...not intrussive at all. the way it should be.
ad's can be done without ruining people's gaming experience...i think this wipeout one was a tad too much for some, but hopefully the gaming world has watched this massive cock up and learnt a lesson.
God is in his heaven all is right with the world again.
I don't think that press release helps our friends in the USA that have already suffered this "Infection"
All it states is that they are "reviewing the implantation" of STEALTH advertising in EUROPE "IF" it decreases gamer satisfaction - RE loading times.
We will ALL suffer it.
Eventually :turd
Wow - that was fast - I hadn't even had a chance to experience this yet and it's fixed.
Way to go Sony!!!!
:)
Another case of 'fusion' ruining WipEout.
But seriously, this is such an insignificant deal, you should read the uproar in comments of the Joystiq article 'I was going to buy but now I wont because 10 seconds an hour completely ruins an otherwise excellent gaming experience'. Give me a break.
Ok, played for about 3/4 hours last night, not 1 single ad. I'm in the US, so it looks like they did pull it for real.
Majorly impressive, I'm glad you guys aren't as complacent as myself about this stuff.
Well said regarding the 360 interface...there are definitely ads within the main interface, but they are not in the games themselves! Further, they are actually trailers for upcoming movies and they instantly load (or go away) once you move away from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawnFireDragoon
In any case, I haven't tested it yet myself as this is the first I've heard of them pulling the ads, but if true, I'm a happy customer.
I was just about to ask if there's a facility on the website to set up a poll, asking whether people are a) more likely, b) less likely or c) indifferent to the notion of purchasing from State Farm as a result of their adverts.
If they see Wipeout players as their target audience, then it would be a nice piece of free market research for them if they happened to pass by. And if they didn't pass by, then it would be easy to send them a link to the results.
The defenders of the adverts seem to think that they are a necessary evil because of commercial pressures - but even from a commercial viewpoint, I think that State Farm are wasting their money.
Keep imagining buying a DVD of Bladerunner and finding that the adverts on that blimp thing at the start have been replaced by life insurance! Not a huge jump from what they are doing.
But yes .... if the adverts really have been pulled (and I really do hope they have) - then I guess this idea is already redundant.
Now if they're planning to make in-game advertising instead, they should really not go the way they went with WipEout Pure and the Delta Packs. They were plastered with hige ads all over the place. Even the ships.
Discreet advertising is the way to go, if you ask me. If you can find ads just one a single time per track (and not on every track!) it's like "oh look, there was an insertNameHere-ad!" At least that's the way it was in 2097 and Fusion. It had a "That's cool"-effect rather than being in-your-face.
I actually agree with that. That wouldn't be so bad, and actually would ad a sense of "realism" to the Wipeout HD world. Discreet advertising, like in Wipeout 1 with PSX game ads, and Red Bull in WOXL would be cool.
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Originally Posted by Sideshow
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9615/...6medium.th.jpg
I'm glad the ads are gone. They didn't bother me anywhere near as much as some of the people in the thread though.
Especially those who swore off playing the game.
Honestly, if ads in a game is the worst thing you have to put up with today, then you're having a great day.
If they do bring ads back , they need to drop the idea of video and especially sound.
I couldn't hear the commercial so I think that's why it didn't bother me too much.
Just a picture with a logo and I don't think there would be such an issue.
And as to why State Farm would want to advertise in a game like this... I think it's pretty obvious... they do auto insurance and I'd bet big that the percentage of gamers approaching driving age is rather large.
If you wanted Wipeout to be "realistic," there would be ads all over the place. Look at Nascar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacker X
Anyways, I heard the ads were pulled. I'm surprised Sony responded to all the backlash, especially so quickly. I can't complain about that.
The ads were still there for me as of 7:30pm last night...I'll be checking again when I get home today. If Sony has indeed pulled them, I will be thrilled.
As of 9:00 pm EST when I logged on, I never saw a single ad. Played for about 4 hours between online and offline.
Wow eat my words I shall lol!!
I think they could do this right with more relevant and subtle in game ads if they totally insist. Some static billboards as has been suggested but also maybe those animated screens that flash team logos like the AG-S ones that seem to be plastered all over the place. I wonder what sort of budget that team has for track side ads all I ever see is AG-S logos flying around.
Is that a reference to the 2097 Red Bull Ads? If so not correct those adverts made me want go and find Red Bull because the entire thing was done in such a damn cool fashion. Further back then Wipeouts core audience was made up of more than children, they had booths with Wipeout 1 on them in clubs and so fourth you gotta believe those people bought 2097 too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdhay
It isn't a reference to Red Bull, it's just that most of the kids I've seen are obsessed with energy drinks, and with what shoddy adverts I've seen with related stuff (Coke Zero, anyone?), It'd be nowhere like the Red Bull ads from 2097.
I just played for a while and also haven't seen any. Thanks everyone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubix42
Surprising development-- glad to see the ads gone though I hope it doesn't hurt the economic sustainability of the Wipeout franchise.
Badda-badda buushhh :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Fascia
Only took a 24 page thread for Sony to remove the ad for now at least.
:p:p:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Frances_Penfold
Well i'd love to think the ad being pulled would be a permanent solution, but i doubt it...
I hate the thougt of my gaming sessions being continuously interrupted with an ad.
i didnt even touch Fury last night, i played games with no ads in them ;)
Anyway, i'm extremely suprised sony responded to this, next time i hope they think things through better and at least communicate with their customers prior to doing something like this. Perhaps better market research...
I didn't play this before they removed the ads, so I missed my chance to complain. One of the videos posted here linked to this one as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX4f9zts6JM
It should not make you wait while the ad finishes playing. I'm surprised at how many people were ok with this crap.
If they think they aren't charging enough for the game to cover costs, charge more for the game. TV is not a good comparison (you aren't paying for anything specific), but movie theaters are. There should be no commercials before a movie.
They could be honest about it and offer ad-supported versions, and a more expensive version with no ads if it's truly such an issue.
With XL/2027, Red Bull must have funded development in some way, and as others have said the ads fit in with the design of the game. Racing has sponsors, so it's not like it doesn't make any sense for there to be some kind of ads, but they need to be designed appropriately - not as an apparent afterthought to be added to a loading screen that forces you to watch a whole commercial.
Does State Farm really want to insure people who play racing games like WipEout?