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Originally Posted by Lance
i said i was wrong about that about 20 post ago... have you read the topic?
I haven't said something offensive to Colin, i just said that for me the ship design is bad.
I'm 20, i know by myself if i have to excuse to Colin, and even if i want to do that, i'll do in a private way.
I haven't said "the ships are bad, STOP". I said WHY are bad.
I'm not good with english, so it's possible that something that i said is offensive, but i really didnt' want to do it. If so, i'm sorry for that.
For the TDR-question, i repeat, i'm not so good-informed about the backscene of wipEout, i just guessed the ship were of TDR because TDR did the design... i was wrong, and i said it. Amen.
You called me ignorant little twit does, fool, ignorant adolescent and so on... you don't know nothing about me, so YOU have to ask sorry for that.
I never wanted to be offensive with Colin, i just said my point of view.
And for the "ship design is a matter of personal taste", i think you're really wrong: if it was like that, how can the project leader say "this ship is ok, that is bad"? So you can make an ugly design and no one can say that is ugly. There are some things like "roundness", "good color scheme", "balance" that are absolute i think. And i repeat, when i said "bad" i said also "WHY bad".
I hope you can understand this spaghetti-english, i never wanted to offense anyone.
feiyen, I am sure that everyone had good intentions here, but the designers republic is a very delicate subject. Not many people truly realise that all TDR ever done was some pretty pictures and a fontstyle. The rest is all sony.
Lance and I have been through this before.
TDR have just supplied the icing onto the cake that is WipEout.
And even though it was just icing, it was still michelin-star worthy icing!
I think TDR done more than "a fontstyle and some pretty pictures".
They have created the "visual identity" of wipeout... i said it because it wil be my job [i hope] one day, i'm studing Industrial Design for Communication.
I can understand how it feels Colin to see TDR get merit when they didn't make the ships design, i just didn't know that! :)
About TDR, I'd like to have a precision just to make it clear in people's mind. Everybody knows that they designed the logos, packaging and interface, but were they involved in ship layouts (logo placement and painting) ? That might be where many guys here are a little confused.
Hope this will prevent from "over-venerating" TDR.
As a graphic designer, i have to admit that even if i love what they did for WO3 (IMO the best overall design), it sometimes lacked functionality : some of the letters in the menu font, ship info too tiny for tv screen application - solved in SE though - and some inrace infos not usable unless pausing the game.
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feiyen, i have read every word of every post on these forums since they began. by asking me the question, you show your own lack of appreciation for what constitutes an insult.
the only wrongdoing you admitted concerned your ignorance in thinking DR designed the ships. you did not show any recognition that your thoughts are opinions, not universal facts. the appearance of a videogame ship is most certainly a matter of taste, since the ships performance is unaffected by it. i like some of the very ones that you dislike. each person on these forums has his/her own set of aesthetic preferences, and own list of favourites and non-favourites. are you saying that only your judgement counts?
your criticism of the ship design in Pure was as follows:
''Urgh... Pure is so good, but the ship design is really really BAD! T_T
There's no one ship good looking... and also, the shadow sistem make them even more bad ;_;
They're OLD designed, un-stylish and too SMOOTH!
Too many ship with "2 arms", and the color scheme is... ''
at no point in that criticism is there anything other than your personal preferences. are you unable to see that your personal preferences do not equal 'fact', do not equal 'true for everyone'?
you say you are 20 years old, but a person's chronological age has no direct link to their level of social grace, nor their level of information, nor their maturity.
i do not care how old you are; i care about how you act in this forum, and so far, you have acted without maturity, without knowledge, without wisdom, and are clearly unable to determine when you have offended someone and when an apology is due. that is why i pointed out that your apology is owed to Colin for your own presumption of excellence and rightness, and your saying that the disigners of the ships are incompetent because they didn't design something you personally like..
''you don't know nothing about me, so YOU have to ask sorry for that.''
i know what you have stated in this topic, and it demonstrates very clearly that you are an ignorant and insulting twit. i owe you no apology for pointing out this defect in your behaviour
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please, the guy just apologised. I hate it when peeps get serious over something so trivia. I just say be greatful he even apologised, least he is a good willing to say that. Some people in this world dont even bother when they are proved wrong. Cut this guy some slack.
Wow, man.
This has gone off topic...
Um... How about that Japanese WipEout PurE site!
I sure wish I could read what it all said!
Let's move on, fellow pilots.
Let's just enjoy the newest game to our favorite series.
:D
hehehehe
*Axel slaps Vagrant with a smelly fish :P
No insult, you said me a thing that i aswered 20 post before [the TDR question], so it's normal if i ask you if you read the topic...
The critics for the crafts are clear:
- too smoothed line*
- some ships are unbalanced
- color scheme not too good
- too many ships with the 2 arms
* i think to show the potential in polygon count of PSP... mah :)
After this, maybe i've said something unpopular, but i never offence anyone, and you cannot do that to me, even if you are moderator/admin/i don't know.
without maturity, without knowledge, without wisdom, and are clearly unable to determine when you have offended someone and when an apology is due
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is more "knowledge" to know that TDR didn't make the ship design, or that a ship is goodlookin or not?
i can determine when i offend someone, but i have *little* problems with english, so if i did it i ask sorry for that.
I repeat, if i have to apologize to Colin i'll do in private.
You have to apologize to me for the insults you said and still saying to me.
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i do hope that wasn't a five days dead cod :)
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this thread is about the japanese website?
oh, yes, now I'm taking a look at the topic and you're right!
We should talk about that site!
I don't know what I think about it, it looks like there aren't so many informations, and the way the ships are shown isn't very good. Another view would be better, ones like in the backgrounds. *
* that are just my opinions!! :lol:
You're so right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausehuhn
The jpgs of the crafts are too compressed, and the shading has too contrast with the background! =)
(look at the ossegoi :))
yep! and it's assegai by the way
emh... :oops:
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feiyen said:
'' too smoothed line*
- some ships are unbalanced
- color scheme not too good
- too many ships with the 2 arms''
yes, i aready quoted that before. i repeat that these criticisms are based only on your personal preferences; the characteristics are just something that you dislike; they are not fundamental absolute flaws of design. they are not characteristics that everyone dislikes. by saying that they are 'bad' design in some absolute universal sense, you are incorrect and are also insulting the people who made the designs. how would you react if someone said that your designs are 'bad'?
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it is not your relative language skill that is causing the problem; it is your feeling that your own opinions are universal truths. it is clear that you are at this phase in your life unable to see this, and that i would be wasting my time and everybody else's time and patience to pursue this discussion any further.
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back to the topic.
@ feiyen
Don't worry. I even didn't know what the NX1000 was (or will be)! :lol:
@ Lance
we were allready back to the topic! 8)
Don't mean to but in, but if you have time to waste, Lance (which really wouldn't be wasted for the use of education), you should finish your argument over PMs (not that you didn't already know that :wink: ). You really wouldn't be wasting anyone elses time if you did this. I still think that this argument shouldn't have even been started (because I'm sure that others are sure that feiyen was just giving his opinion, and hoping for others that would agree), so we should just leave it at that, ya? :)
The only thing I thought was ugly was the Pirahna, the others look alright to me. And I'm sure the Pirahna can grow on me, just like anything can, so I'm pretty much cool with all of it. "Let's just all chill together and be friends, ya?" 8) ->quote motivated by Bob Marley. :wink:
what have people got against the pirhana? It's my favourite ship of the lot. Oh well, each to their own, also out of interest, the Harimou has a very similar colour scheme to the FEISAR don't you think? 8O
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:) Mr. Roadrunner, sir, you were, but i wasn't. ;)
Chill, i already said i was finished with that discussion. there is no point in continuing in any venue to reason with someone whose ability to analyse his own thoughts is not yet sufficiently developed.
Dimension, i love every Piranha/Pirhana design there has been so far [though i thought that Fusion's was the weakest]. i think it must be that they dislike that the bulge in the front section makes the Pure version less lean and razory. but it looks a bit more fishlike. fish are the most aero/hydrodynamic creatures of all, and they pretty much generally bulge more in the front third than elsewhere
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