(SSGX Origins) Let's make a Wipeout game! This time for real!

Hi! Time for some bad news: Actual version of game with completed Cassandra track is too much for my old computer I was working on previously, that means there is no way it can run on graphic card like Geforce 7600 GS, must be faster, not with more memory. As for CPU, netbook can run it with no problems on loooooooooooooooooooow graphic quality xd End :P

@Xpand: Colors must be bright and easy to distinguish cos I'm not sure if everyone will distinguish weapon pad from speed pad with this color scheme during flying at high speed xd

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Originally Posted by zero3growlithe

@Xpand: Colors must be bright and easy to distinguish cos I'm not sure if everyone will distinguish weapon pad from speed pad with this color scheme during flying at high speed xd

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seriously? You can't tell a triangle from a cross? even at high speed!? xD
By the way, this is to be impletemented onto the tracks like this:

put an empty in every spot you want a speed/weapon pad to be.
Make a script for the weapon pads that reads if the event is time trial or normal race. If race is true then replace object with tag weapon pad with the weapon pad model.
Make a script for the speed pads to replace the empties with the speed pad in all cases.
Add one of those scripts to each empty depending if you want them to be speed pads or weapon pads.

With regards to the Mach One speed class:
I think I'll set the top speed at 1440 km/h. With a lattitude of 200 km/h,teams should not be complaining.
Also,since sonic booms will happen if nothing is done, I suggest that the ship have a form of Turbo that can be used once Mach one(1225) has been exceeded. This will be done by having the sonic boom energy converted to a form of potential energy that will be stored for use later on in the race.
Sonic Turbo will only be awarded ONCE per race

With regards to the Singapore-Malaysia Super-circuit:
Here is a plan view on the Super-circuit meant for Mach One Speed Class races. Goes through both Singapore(the two land links) and Malaysia(Johore?).Track can be run in either direction.
Distance:Approx 70 km
Forward-Clockwise
Reverse-Antilockwise/Counterclockwise

With regards to Singa(the track based in Singapore):
Here is a plan view on what is the current Marina Bay area. Not sure how it will be like in 2180 and onwards,but I think that the bay area would have been expanded. Underwater area denoted by part in the sea. Track can be run in either direction.
Distance:Approx 12 km
Forward-Anticlockwise/Counterclockwise
Reverse-Clockwise

You most likely hate being corrected, but the term is Counterclockwise, not Anticlockwise. While Anti and Counter mean the same thing in this context, they don't always mean the same thing.

Btw, sorry for not being on in a while, and also sorry for being slightly rude, but I have been having a streak of terrible days lately :(

On Topic:
I came up with a new idea for a track: A track that is mostly vertical, with large portions of it being underwater and other portions of it being above the surface of the water, far from land. Most of the track is vertical, but not all of it is.

I am doing O Level Physics,and when using the Principle of Moments (about a Pivot),I use sum of anticlockwise moments=sum of clockwise moments. I feel that the message gets across,same difference.

[Some] Hubian [pics]
Now I'm starting to doubt how the track will fit the futuristic nature of the game. :/

@Type:How about as part of the Chinese Government's Historical Restoration project or as part of the Chinese Government's What If Question:What if AG Racing existed before the 20th century,or even before?

we can make historical stuff fit what we need is to make it not all historical, this can be done there are plenty of examples, of this from china so let's you and me have a look at it yeh? :)

@FEISAR/Oryx : That's exactly what I'm thinking while I drew it. The problem I mentioned is not about lore but more about things "outside" of the track. Normally the garden would just be walled in but this is a circuit, a scaled up replica. Just walling it in won't do it justice. I'm thinking about what kind of sci-fi buildings that can be placed around it AND look good right now.

How about have half the track in a historical landscape,the other half in a modern setting?

Speed Pad script is ready, works same as in WOHD, it pushes your ship in direction the speed pad is pointing.
Weapon pad script in progress => :)

Sorry man, I completely forgot about giving you the pads...
Here:
Attachment 6402

proton: I'm thinking bio dome with historical garden inside and sprawling high tech outside i.e. as you say half inside the garden other half outside

Have I been thrown off the team? Xpand, hello?

Why are you saying that? If you were out I would have told you that. Is it because I haven't been on skype for a lot? I've been busy with other stuff...

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Originally Posted by zero3growlithe

Speed Pad script is ready, works same as in WOHD, it pushes your ship in direction the speed pad is pointing.
Weapon pad script in progress => :)

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I think a better idea is to just give it a funneling effect, that way it doesn't force you in a particular direction (which is annoying in Eliminator Matches and tight corners), but instead funnels your ship to guide it into the right direction (much more user friendly than just forcing it into a particular directon).

Maybe the same funneling effect could be used to replace Pilot Assist.

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If you ever played with the Propulsion Gel in Portal 2, then you will probably notice the same funneling effect that guides you when you're speeding into a Portal.

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Originally Posted by Xpand

Why are you saying that? If you were out I would have told you that. Is it because I haven't been on skype for a lot? I've been busy with other stuff...

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That explains it. Thanks for responding.

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Originally Posted by Amaroq Dricaldari

You most likely hate being corrected, but the term is Counterclockwise, not Anticlockwise. While Anti and Counter mean the same thing in this context, they don't always mean the same thing.

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Depends where you're from. In the UK we always say Anticlockwise so your statement isn't completely true...

@wildmorgan:Yay for British English(from Singapore here)

In UDK:
Damn....
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I mean, tecnically the model looks like sh*t, but the shading effects... Wow....
By the way, that was in-game.

Also, the only track I could import so far (all the others are either incompatible or too large) Basin Park, by Oryx.
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Yeah, even normal scene with simple cube looks awesome, it is just unreal :P
btw. Weapon Pad script ready :P Script for speed and weapon pads is single and you can change between them using variable... maybe it will be of some use in-game xd Awaiting weapons list, must be it-is-ok-for-sure weapon list cos every weapon will require some serious programming (ok, maybe except for cannon, rockets, bomb, etc. xd)

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Originally Posted by Xpand

In UDK:
Damn....
Attachment 6403Attachment 6404Attachment 6405
I mean, tecnically the model looks like sh*t, but the shading effects... Wow....
By the way, that was in-game.

Also, the only track I could import so far (all the others are either incompatible or too large) Basin Park, by Oryx.
Attachment 6406

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The model itself is fine. You could do with some Normal Mapping (look up Bump Maps on Wikipedia, and they should mention it) though.
Also, I love how the Unreal Engine has built-in HDR. HDR makes everything better.

got an idea for a track... though it might be a bit ambitious it would be a track in low earth orbit attached to a space station, call it orbit terminal or something for travel too and from the moon etc. with a track attached to it.

Howabout Terra-Lunar Transit Array? It isn't the best, but it was at the top of my head.

hehe any name would do tbh it was just a thought if anyone finds it an interesting idea feel free to develop it.

I dunno about that. I was never a great fan of orbital/extraterrestrial racing environments.... Meh...
Well, here's some new details on DC:
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This made me chuckle when I saw the render...

Alright, found some good Wikipedia articles.

Bump Mapping
Normal Mapping
Phong Shading

Hopefully you can use this information to improve your model. Good job, btw 8)
P.S.: You could also add some Bump Mapping to your track. Get that extra bit of detail.

Yep, I know I can add it. I usually leave that to last, but end up making it. When I make planes for FSX I always add the bump map (http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2557/r101dirt.jpg)... Normal map is out of question, since it increases the polycount a lot, that's more for artistic/rendering models

I have never seen a Normal Map increase the Polycount. I have seen it change the way a low-polygon mesh reacts with light, though. That is how bump mapping works.

Yeah, I confused it with displacement map. It's like those terrain generators where they use a marble like grey scale texture and then assign a max and minimal height for pure white and pure black, respectively and then the mesh's vertices gain the height correspondent to that part of the texture map. It's one way to generate procedural terrain.

Yeah, a Displacement Map is the kind of thing that you would use with Tessellation.

Speaking of which, turns out Normal Maps are the most commonly used form of Bump Mapping.

Hey guys, finally I am back from school and trip and have lots of free days ahead. So I hopefully can help you guys out as much as I can.

First of all, I got another idea for a track: An abandoned science research facility half-way underground so you race through a big complex of underground tunnels/rooms/test facilities and also over the ground where you see big broken/rusty satellite dishes, left buildings & warehouses, antennas etc. it could be either placed in a forest or jungle-alike ambience or in the desert, which emphasizes the feeling of "lonelyness" [kinda like Black Mesa in HL1]. The underground ambience could look like THIS [watch from 00.50].
Another idea is a track in a big canyon. The track itself is always deep in the canyon so the player can't overlook the complete map. But since there are cliffs etc. it could be used well for jumps and barrel rolls and the canyon would have multiple ways so there are a few alternating routes.
Tell me if you guys like one of those ideas, then I will come up with name, backstory and sketches within the next days.

zero asked for weapons to script one page back. Sorry I could not keep track until today, but do we have a weapon list now? Or should we collect all ideas about weapons that got written down here to make a full list and pick the best and realistic-for-coding ones together?

Xpand, you said Cassandra is ready? Will you also attach the speed & weapon pads to it, soon? And how about the Zone-mode design, or is the Zone-mode not set to stone yet?

Anyway, keep up the good work everyone! Cheers

the speed pads are to be added in the game engine. They are separate models so that they appear or disappear weather you want time trial or race events... There's no Zone mode yet. And if you want those psy designs and colors we need to get HDR shading systems because I'm sure as hell the tracks will look like crap unless we have glow filters...

Sorry for the double post but I just had an idea for a system to count perfect laps:

zero, your collision spark system works with an "if" with a raycast collision argument, right?
Well, what if we make that condition add +1 to an integer, like:

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var col_count=0;

if(collision is true){

col_count=col_count+1;

// I gotta think how to Reset col_count to 0 after a lap.
}

//check col_count after each lap and give the perfect lap message if col_count=0
if(col_count==0){

display(Perfect Lap)

}

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Of course this is in pseudo-code... I think it's easier when you have the variables and specific commands for Unity...

Nope, I'm not using raycast but collision box attached to the ship :P And I can use trigger which is at start line to restart collision counter ;)

Yeah, but you can detect collisions with collision box, right? Like what activates the sparks?

Anyways:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuCAYJ6n6-U

Erm... yeah? Ok, maybe just leave programming stuff to me and just tell me what to do or what i've missed and it will be cool :P So.... weapons anyone? x.X Or no, I'll take care of main menu script cos it is written like some kind of poetry than code xD

Uhh, that reminds me... I have to remodel your hangar with new textures.

You know what would be nice? The addition of a minimap to the HUD. Every other racing game has one, why not WipEout?

P.S.: The return of Opposite Braking would also be a big help.

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Originally Posted by Amaroq Dricaldari

You know what would be nice? The addition of a minimap to the HUD. Every other racing game has one, why not WipEout?

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That's a big no. You'd be too busy managing airbrakes at high speed to look at minimap. It's too fast.