cheating the ZONE

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Originally Posted by Darkdrium777

I myself have pretty much all my personal scores messed up because of this glitch, which is why I ask that SL allows people to delete the times they don't like from their rankings and then resynch with the server to remove them from there as well.

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Agreed, I think there should be a "submit time/score" button, or the ability to clear your own times... I say this because of my glitched zone score. My 13 year old neighbour, who is a total trophy whore and will do anything to get them just so he can brag to his friends, did the zone glitch here at my place. I watched him do it, saying "hey, cool, now you have your zone zeus trophy!" - then I noticed he was still logged into *my* account (I have scolded him for that many times since he accidentally got one of the Skate 2 trophies "for me" - not a hard one, but I wanted to do it myself (the 10 ft grass gap).

Whats even MORE STUPID is that later that night, I managed zone 76 properly (with his controller)... so I scream with joy (partially because my previous best was zone 69 o.O (guess I was in the zone, hahaha, yeah... nvm), and fall silent as I hear the trophy "bling" sound... wtf I got that earlier in the evening I thought... nope, was logged in on his accont this time... I just got the trophy on HIS account on MY PS3!!!

I believe Tweedle said they will clean up the AP zone boards tho so I hope they yank that one off there and save me from looking like a right arse ^^

@okam: lol
Btw; Get a DS3. SIXAXIS lacks precision.


Finally, the glitch is gone -- 20th December 2008 - 21st July 2009.
That's why I love the internet, everything can be done so fast.

I'm glad they are cleaning all the crap out of the game. It discourages cheats and scrubs from spoiling skilled players fun and players wanting to become skillful like meeee..:dizzy:dizzy:dizzy

but still, i checked today. 30 out of the top 50 records on AP forward were accomplished using the glitch. and this include the first 16!!

lot of damage is done but at least im glad that this is the end to this travesty.

The problem is, and I've been thinking about this since I first said the glitch was gone, couldn't people skip updating the game, get into Zone, achieve Zone Zeus and Airbraker (potentially Own The Zone too) by doing this glitch, then updating and have their score uploaded (willingly or not, as syncing uploads all scores anyways)?
Because AFAIK the PS3 gives you the choice to skip downloading patch updates when the prompt comes up. It forces you to play offline, but it works...
They would have to lock out obtaining trophies for older versions of the game. I don't know if that's possible though.

BTW how long does it take for scores to get uploaded? My glitched score is up there, but my friend's score isnt... they were set the same evening, on the same PS3 connected to the internet. I have noticed in other cases that race times have taken a looong time to synch.

Re. controllers; I havent tried DS3 yet, just the sixaxis. What are the most important differences between the two?

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Originally Posted by Motorsagmannen

but still, i checked today. 30 out of the top 50 records on AP forward were accomplished using the glitch. and this include the first 16!!

lot of damage is done but at least im glad that this is the end to this travesty.

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Tweedle said they would clean up the AP scoreboards after Fury is released :D

Dualshock 3 > Sixaxis, not just because of the rumble, but because it doesn't have the "random button presses" issue.
That depends when you got your Sixaxis though, the very late ones also don't have the issue, but the very first ones (My two) have it. It only affects wireless mode, and my problem was the triangle button. Quite annoying when I was playing RFoM online as that was the melee button. I don't really want to melee when I'm zooming in xD

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Originally Posted by Darkdrium777

The problem is, and I've been thinking about this since I first said the glitch was gone, couldn't people skip updating the game, get into Zone, achieve Zone Zeus and Airbraker (potentially Own The Zone too) by doing this glitch, then updating and have their score uploaded (willingly or not, as syncing uploads all scores anyways)?
Because AFAIK the PS3 gives you the choice to skip downloading patch updates when the prompt comes up. It forces you to play offline, but it works...
They would have to lock out obtaining trophies for older versions of the game. I don't know if that's possible though.

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don't really know. I thought about that just before i said yes to the update. I came to the conclusion getting zone 100+ with a glitch means nothing apart from you believe you dont have the capability to match players who really have done it. So i pressed update.:nod:nod

@okam: Well, I had a SIXAXIS and the accuracy of both analog stick were
inferior. It was like heaven playing MGO with a DS3 in term of movement
and aiming. I would quit playing WipEout HD when forced playing with a
SIXAXIS! Further, I need the rumble pack coz it gives me an additional
important information.

I second...or third(?)...or fourth(?) the ability to delete personal records. I will admit (in shame of course) that I used the glitch to get the Zone Zeus trophy today, but I really wish that I could delete it from my records.

I'm trying to get to zone 75 legitimately and it sucks to have that 75 staring me in the face while my 48, 47, etc. zone records get overshadowed. I guess that it is my fault for using the glitch, but I hope that such an option (deleting personal records) will be included in the next update.

At least I can take solace in the fact that my airbreaker trophy (whenever I manage to crack zone 50) will be legit.

Oh man...
Why??? :|

Is it just me or have a lot of glitchers joined the site lately ??

No offence to the glitchers but either do Zone Zeus properly or don't bother ....

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Originally Posted by khnemu23

I second...or third(?)...or fourth(?) the ability to delete personal records. I will admit (in shame of course) that I used the glitch to get the Zone Zeus trophy today, but I really wish that I could delete it from my records.

I'm trying to get to zone 75 legitimately and it sucks to have that 75 staring me in the face while my 48, 47, etc. zone records get overshadowed. I guess that it is my fault for using the glitch, but I hope that such an option (deleting personal records) will be included in the next update.

At least I can take solace in the fact that my airbreaker trophy (whenever I manage to crack zone 50) will be legit.

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Have a look at your SCORE ,not the number of zones,I you or somebody else has used the glitch to get ZEUS the score will be pretty low,so all you have to do is beat that with a lot of perfect laps and it will better the glitch score and wipe it from the records ,you can do that way before zone 75 thankfully.
Then go for 75 Zone Zeus.

Still doesn't excuse the fact that he cheated in a game to gain an achievement which has truly no meaning at all apart from the fact that you did it or not.
IMHO people like this deserve all the flak they get. I just don't understand cheating, it's so low and a testament to the laziness of the person. :/ It just plain sucks.
Now because of people like this, Zone mode on Anulpha Pass is truly corrupted. Thank you, thank you all, as if there weren't enough with the bugs of spectator mode that added invalid times into the single race ones.
Don't take it personal khnemu23 because you posted it, but I hate all cheaters and wish they were all banned from the game. Stop ****ing the game up and being so selfish. Play it as best you can and try to improve your skills, this is what anything in life is about.

Is spectator mode still there?

I didn't see the option when I highlighted over the online games being played.

Yeah it's still there, you have to join the game, select your ship, and then press the start button to spectate.

Indeed, the only real reward you get from completing zone zeus is that ultimate rush of euphoria, that you just don't get if you cheat.. I am pretty sure I was close to having an out of body experience the day I hit zone 75.. it's become one my my best memorable gaming moments, and not just a tick on a sheet. :)

So the DS3 is that much better? My sixaxis is probably 1st gen; I bought my PS3 used last winter (and no way in hell is the controller as "lightly used" as the ad stated, hah).

My only gripe with the sixaxis (besides mine being borked) is that the left analog stick is too "tall" making some things, like aiming the bow in Oblivion, a bit... wobbly ^^ But you get used to that, and you cope.

Will check out the DS3 next time I'm at the shops, thanks for the advice.

My friend who's never played WipEout before (suggested the game to him), got both Zeus and Zico within a few days of starting by practising.

Don't see why other have to take the easy way out.

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Originally Posted by Darkdrium777

Still doesn't excuse the fact that he cheated in a game to gain an achievement which has truly no meaning at all apart from the fact that you did it or not.
IMHO people like this deserve all the flak they get. I just don't understand cheating, it's so low and a testament to the laziness of the person. :/ It just plain sucks.
Now because of people like this, Zone mode on Anulpha Pass is truly corrupted. Thank you, thank you all, as if there weren't enough with the bugs of spectator mode that added invalid times into the single race ones.
Don't take it personal khnemu23 because you posted it, but I hate all cheaters and wish they were all banned from the game. Stop ****ing the game up and being so selfish. Play it as best you can and try to improve your skills, this is what anything in life is about.

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I make no excuses for me cheating and fully deserve to be called out for it. It was a selfish act and I fully realize that what I did was wrong. I tried to get the trophy early (I say early because I am improving greatly at Zone by playing it an hour a day) because I have to return to college in the fall and won't have time to practice Wipeout until next summer (even then I'll have summer school and so I will only be around my ps3 for a couple of weeks out of the year). I know this doesn't excuse my actions and if I could undo the trophy and the score I would, but that isn't an available option.

I too dislike cheaters (which I believe shows from the feelings of regret I have at cheating). Cheating invalidates the leaderboard and punishes people who have put in a lot of time and effort in achieving praiseworthy scores.

I cheated too, but im a trophy whore....so its allowed ;)

just kidding guys, its terrible... I know... Specially now that im flying without PA, zone is really good for practice on the various tracks....ow well

Yes, you made a mistake and seem to care for fairness by presenting your apologies here, which is something that the others who cheat seem to lack and that is what I truly hate. The amount of selfishness and laziness these persons exude is sickening. :-
That zone 2000 guy who popped up. Seriously, taping the controller and taking a hike huh? If you're this much of an idiot in real life I hope you have troubles sleeping at night.

I hope you will not do this again khnemu23.

I used a DS3 for the first time yesterday and didn't like it :O
I've become so used to my old sixaxis with its squeeky left analog stick that doesn't rebound back to central position anymore, that it just felt weird. Also it seemed that any slight movements with the stick wasn't moving the craft at all. It was nice to have rumble though :)

I guess those cheaters would even use PA if it would be possible. http://www.consolewars.de/messageboa...es/m-rofl3.gif

@Reezy: If mapping the airbrakes to R3 & L3 would be an advantage,
I would do it no matter what. Btw; I actually used this layout for a few
days. xD

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Originally Posted by ProblemSolver

@okam: Well, I had a SIXAXIS and the accuracy of both analog stick were
inferior. It was like heaven playing MGO with a DS3 in term of movement
and aiming. I would quit playing WipEout HD when forced playing with a
SIXAXIS! Further, I need the rumble pack coz it gives me an additional
important information.

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Well, my DS3 started pulling right a couple of months ago, so I had to shelve it in favor of the two SIXAXIS controllers I have. Got to zone 60 using them and plan on getting to zone 75 with them too. No prissy DS3 for Zone Zeus...the manly and challenging SIXAXIS is the only way to go for true zone purists! :p

lol

Yeah have fun with your MISSINGAXIS. :P

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Originally Posted by Darkdrium777

Yes, you made a mistake and seem to care for fairness by presenting your apologies here, which is something that the others who cheat seem to lack and that is what I truly hate. The amount of selfishness and laziness these persons exude is sickening. :-
That zone 2000 guy who popped up. Seriously, taping the controller and taking a hike huh? If you're this much of an idiot in real life I hope you have troubles sleeping at night.

I hope you will not do this again khnemu23.

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2000?????? then yer just beeing an ***... pardon my french. I quit @ 76, just enough to get the trophy thats it..

Maybe that guy have a controller that can record button pressures and repeat them later :twisted

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Originally Posted by LOUDandPROUD

Well, my DS3 started pulling right a couple of months ago, so I had to shelve it in favor of the two SIXAXIS controllers I have. Got to zone 60 using them and plan on getting to zone 75 with them too. No prissy DS3 for Zone Zeus...the manly and challenging SIXAXIS is the only way to go for true zone purists! :p

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IMO the sixaxis is a perfectly fine controller and I don't think one would have any problems doing zone 75+ or anything else with it, but mine is just worn out and barely functional. Especially the involentary sideshifts are pissing me off!

I have read up on the DS3 and a lot of people are claiming it's more responsive and robust, and also heavier and more solid. The sixaxis does feel a bit cheap, being so light... Since I live in the most expensive country on earth, I will wait until I go abroad next month before I get a new controller :P

BTW does anyone know if its possible to fix/change analog sticks that aren't properly aligned? Getting a bit fed up with auto-walking everywhere in Bioshock (allthough it was nice in Fallout).

Open it and clean it, see if something is stuck somewhere? Also I'm pretty sure you could buy a mainboard for it online, complete with battery pack, and exchange it. But that's essentially like buying a new controller.

Might be easier/cheaper to just get a new one... I'll see if I can get it open; just the screws underneath, right?

Yes, but if you don't know what you're doing:
It's super easy to get it apart.
It's a pain to get back together.

You get used to putting it back together, but I recommend you have a guide handy in case you need it.
I also recommend washing the controller pieces, buttons, etc. (Not the mainboard!) with soap and running water, then let them dry on a towel for about half a day or so. ;)

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Originally Posted by okam

IMO the sixaxis is a perfectly fine controller and I don't think one would have any problems doing zone 75+ or anything else with it, but mine is just worn out and barely functional.

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For sure, there are multiple ways to cross the street. Some ways are faster
than others and likewise even more secure, I think. ;)

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Originally Posted by Darkdrium777

let them dry on a towel for about half a day or so. ;)

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Dude, I have an expansion to play, I have no time for that ;) Actually it looks like I don't have a small enough screwdriver for the screws, so it will have to wait anyway. Should be allright for Fury for a while, I did manage platinum with it and it's still precise enough for Skate 2 which will do me nicely.

My old PS2 controllers are still fine after 6+ years of heavy usage, so maybe I should look into getting a converter.

BTW should anyone now feel inspired to open/clean their controllers, I found this guide:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...query.id=29340

(double post)

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Originally Posted by blackwiggle

OT

Problem Solver,why does your text always appear scrunched up.

Might as well ask now rather than later.

Are you writing this on DOS system?

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DOS? xD

I just once wrote the following;

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Originally Posted by ProblemSolver

...
Sorry, but reading a text in a more column-like fashion is much more
efficient and also more pleasing (despite you have to scroll a little) than
those badly-formated-oversized HTML layouts. For some very good reasons
I write my text with <= 80 characters per line. There exists only one
typesetting system which really does its job, LaTeX (wiki)! The rest is simply
a sh!t load of crap, you name it; Word, HTML, ..., soo bad. LaTeX is Gutenberg
in a digital form.

There is a long way to go to bring on an efficient typesetting system to the
internet. Each research article, each book, and each newspager is far beyond
what can be seen on the web. The problem is, you all got used to that crap a
lot such that you now say; the way the board software does it, is the right way
to go. Sorry, but no! ;) ...

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Originally Posted by okam

BTW should anyone now feel inspired to open/clean their controllers, I found this guide:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...query.id=29340

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Rubbing alcohol if you're patient and want to get it back together soon (alcohol evaporates but applying it with a Q-tip is long), kitchen sink or bath and stir with a large spatula if you're not :lol xD
Because it already takes some time taking apart/putting back together.

I'm just curious.. what does zone 2000 actually look like? Epilepsy anyone...

Is it possible to register scores online with an earlier version of the game? It seems some people are downgrading the game to exploit the glitch again for Zone Zeus.

I stoped playing zone on Anulpha Pass since there are so many cheated records. I was realy hoping SL would clean the leaderboard for the Fury release, well at least they corrected the glitch in 2.00. But just look at the amount of cheating players, the 2000 zones and now your telling some are downgrading to cheat... I just don't understand such behaviour.:?