@sny: Exactly my thought!
Something is 'wrong' with the pricing, honestly, especially if we compare
the whole thing to others. Perhaps Sony / SL do follow a certain strategy
here? Most likely.
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@sny: Exactly my thought!
Something is 'wrong' with the pricing, honestly, especially if we compare
the whole thing to others. Perhaps Sony / SL do follow a certain strategy
here? Most likely.
well, its not necessarily a matter of something being "wrong." I mean if we allow a sales number of 400,000 copies for Wipeout HD, thats 8 million dollars. With no overhead in terms of having to produce and ship a hard copy of the game and no middlemen like Walmart to have to deal with, thats a pretty respectable take. They'll sell a few more copies of the base game now at the sale price, and hopefully a shedload of the add-on at 10 bucks to make a few more million in income. I'm sure the devs are smart enough to price it such that they can pay the bills and still have a bit left over... :)
I agree that $9.99 is a very reasonable price for FURY and I can't wait to get mine. I don't know where the notion that DLC is usually $5 or less comes from. BSI for Burnout was $19.99 no? Both the recent add-ons for Pacific Rift were $9.99. FURY is way more than just a pack of skins or something...in fact I'd say its way more than the Island for Burnout. So yeah, reasonable for anyone and really almost a gift if you're a fan. I was really expecting it to be $19.99, or at the very least $14.99.
edit - actually the Island was $12.99...but my point still stands.
Well, i paid 10€ for a Metal Gear Online Expansion, which i didn't use all i wanted, because the maps included were used by expert people in that game, and i was killed everytime i got into some of these maps. Anyway, this gene expansion for 10€ (one year ago, now it's cheaper) had 3 maps only and one new game mode (i don't know exactly but i think it's free now) and 2 MGS characters who you will be lucky if you control them in an online match.
We all know yet what includes Fury, so i will not repeat again, but 10€ is the best price for the expansion with all that content.
Less days to thursday!
Isn't that dandy then. I had £3 left on my account when I bought HD. Only have to top it by a fiver and now i have the expansion. I'm loving the pricing guys, great job. all in all the full set comes to £20 quid. Bargain in my books.
@Cyberio: MGO is worth every penny. Its depth and variety is unmatched.
Yeah, it's a tough game, like WipEout HD, but I always get something out of it.
There was not even 1 second were I got bored of MGO. And I play this game
since day 1.
For sure. But I would spend a bit more just to ensure that the game will beQuote:
Originally Posted by Z_Zoquis
supported in *great* detail over the next month. Further, I want to be
assured (somehow) that they start working, at full force, on something
new after Fury is out the door (after vacation, of course). One can never
have enough money to rightfully accomplish all the things mentioned.
I imagine a Velocity DLC for WipEout HD where speed is the one and only
priority.
Btw; Welcome on board! :)
Perhaps you wanna introduce yourself over in the The Pilots Lounge.
It's an ABSOLUTE bargain.
NO other down loadable game has such "REPLAY' value even remotely close to this on ANY console.
I rarely call people idiots,but those that think this DLC is overpriced certainly
are.
This is going to get played and played and played again.
It might get those that just like destroying things [FPS fans] getting their jollies out of a racer :lol
done. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ProblemSolver
You should've just kept going on automatching, then you would have got some more practice.:D:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberio
Guys, I'm psyched about this release date, I might just put Oblivion and LittleBigPlanet down. :radar
Excellent news, I'll be adding some funds to ones wallet very shortly, EIGHT QUID?!?
Is anyone familiar with that Burger King Advert where the guy goes in and makes his order, pays, then gets so much change back he feels like he just robbed them? Followed by him exiting through the nearest window? Yeah...
Yeah, I know that :burger-advert. xD
woohoo! fury!!
but i wont believe it until i see The "preparing for download" line on my tv screen
:)
If you could buy a 1 bedroom flat in Grimsby for £20,000, would that mean a 4 bedroomed detached house in london for 200,000 was not cheap ?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLazarou
Of course not.
It could not have arrived sooner (why do you think it could or should ???), its been in development months and the guys have been working round the clock on it busting their balls to get it done and fighting to include as much as possible and working late hours to cram as much in as they could, whilst also providing other patches in the meantime. Its come as early as possible, it was only finished and through master submission a week ago.
For what it is, £7.99 is cheap, as I said its not even 3 pints in a pub
If £7.99 isnt cheap because 1 song in rockband is a £0.99 then well . . . . I guess its individual perspective, in my book its beyond cheap, its an impulse dont even think twice price.
@blackwiggle, Paul and Zico werent testers... well ok Paul was about 167 years ago. zico is a coder, Paul is a dev manager :)
Okay, two Tacos.
Yes? :o
My maths might be wrong here but,
If i have played HD for 354 hours and was £11.99 then that means it has cost me a little more than 3p per hour.
Fury being £7.99 and if i play it for the same time will cost even less.
Not a bad return in my book.
(someone check the maths please :lol)
Personally, I was expecting 20 bucks... just as much as the game first was... considering it seems to double the game's size! And I still would think it was worth it...
But hey... 10 bucks (U.S.)... CHEAP!
I think the basic point PLazarou seems to be making is that since FURY's price is more or less in line with other premium DLC available for other games, its off-base to refer to it as "cheap." I think on the surface he's right. But if you actually compare the content then the argument starts to fall apart. From what I can tell, FURY is essentially like a new version of Wipeout HD...almsot Wipeout HD 2. It pretty much doubles the original games content. I don't think any previously available add-on for a game has done that. If you compare it to Burnout Paradise, it's like getting the Party Pack, Legends car pack, Toy cars, and Big Surf Island in one add-on. By that reasoning I don't think its off-base to refer to FURY as cheap...
I'm surprised at the low price for Fury though perhaps there is little choice given that the original release was only $20 USD.
IIRC the original WOHD is on sale in PSN this week, perhaps to draw some fence-sitters in before the release of the Fury DLC?
Discussions of video game prices are always weird for me, I am mostly interested in it for the insights it provides on the video game industry. So many factors-- the installed base of the console, development costs, expected sales at different price points, additional revenues from DLC. And it all "matters" to game fans because franchises need to be economically viable if they are to be supported into the future.
As a fan of Wipeout, I don't really care how much the game costs-- I would buy Fury at $50 or $100 because life is too damn short not to play the games that one wants to play! Of course, that pricing would no doubt be a tremendous mistake for the health of the franchise :) The low price points for WOHD and Fury suggests that Sony is positioning the franchise as a "staple" for the PSN network rather than an exclusive offering.
I seem to have struck a nerve here - my apologies. I wasn't suggesting that you guys aren't working hard enough, I'm just being critical of the online release model you guys have adopted, i.e. making a less-than fully featured Wipeout title, albeit for less money and then offering DLC later down the line to bump it up to a more substantial product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Berry
Personally, I would have preferred to wait for a full release, Blu-Ray or otherwise, with the content of HD and Fury - surely if you'd worked to that more traditional development model the game would have indeed arrived slightly sooner (as you wouldn't have had to release several patches up until this point as you mentioned)?
Many full priced blu-ray games have download contents later after their appearance on stores. Do you call those games "incomplete" too ?
I was already happy with HD as it's atm. Of course, like everybody, if i can have more ... ;)
Downloadable games and contents seems to be the future in the video game industry, with advantages and regrets. We can't do nothing about that, just follow (or not) the movement.
Thanks anyway Colin, Paul and Zico for the good news :)
8£ for FURY is a bargain of a year!I was ready to pay any money, but I expected like 13.99£ minimum.
*sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by leungbok
Firstly, I didn't say it was 'incomplete'. I said it was 'less than fully-featured, albeit at a lower price'. If you compare HD to the PSP's Pulse, it is obvious to see what is missing from HD.
And yes, I realise many games offer DLC. The difference is, the majority of these retail games have more substantial content in the first place (to warrant their full retail price), and the DLC is optional extra stuff on top of that. (And no, I'm not a fan of this kind DLC either, unless it's free...)
But in the case of Wipeout on PS3, this upcoming DLC is essential in order to make HD comparable to the content of a full retail game like Pulse. Thankfully, because the pricing for both HD and Fury is right, this isn't a problem. All I was saying was that I would have preferred to wait for all of this content in one major release.
With Wipeout Pure, we were set a direct challenge by Phil Harrison to make the game and support it with DLC, which we did, we pioneered DLC for handheld games, and actually learnt a lot from doing it and indeed we were one of the front runners for DLC for Playstation, if not in terms of timing of release in terms of technology, we helped define how things worked through the skillsof the coders we had on our team.
With Pulse we continued to push things with user created content through the ship skin tool, and also by trying to establish some online play.
With Hd we wanted to help push the PSN and the idea of downloading games.
Yup at the moment downloading games is not for everyone, but people said downloading mp3s would never take off because customers like to buy cds, as it is a few years on itunes and the like are proving that theory wrong
Personally I love the idea of downloading games, I can go online and buy a new game at any hour of any day, that is a great freedom and choice to have. I think its fantastic, do any of the current systems do it perfectly yet, no, but things are getting better at an exceptional rate. I think its cool that in years to come, people will be able to get a console on christmas day and go online and download a game they want and play it there and then (with ever increasing broadband etc) that rocks so much more than going to shops to buy a disc based game, where the shop takes as much if not more, money than the company making and publishing the game.
Wipeout HDs initial release perhaps had less features than we would have had had we decided to do a blu-ray, but it also gave us freedom to react to opinion. We never thought people would miss eliminator for example, yet they did, and thus we brought it back with Fury. Had we just done a one hit blu-ray, eliminator would not have been there.
I dont see the down side to the model we have adopted, the inital release is substantial and though it took some time, it took less time than a full blu-ray release would have, and it allowed us to get things to the consumer earlier. By doing so we can then react both to trends of the players and the market. Once Fury is out, the actual content of HD and Fury with all the features, will be in some ways larger than had we planned it for blu-ray from day 1. What HD did was allow us to get things out there and get the reactions of people, oh can we have this option in multiplayer and this, can we have this. We would have planned for many things that are there, but we certainly wouldnt have had them all.
What we have done has been more dynamic than simply doing a blu-ray would allow
On top of that there are other factors of development to consider, from available resources at particular times, to what the company requires at any point.
HD, and though it sounds shitty for me to blow the trumpet, but I will, HD set the benchmark for downloadable games, 1080p, multiplayer enabled, decent features set, less than 1gig initial download on PSN at a decent price, that is defining and setting a standard. Which frankly no other companys have come close to in overall terms
Had we just opted to release a blu-ray version, well... we've done that, ok not a blu-ray, but we've done disc based versions, why not try something different.
People can download HD and try Wipeout without a £40 or $60 commitment, if they like it, they can now get Fury, total price is still less than a disc based game - inital release £15 plus £8 for DLC... £23... without naming names I can think of other games I'vebought for more that offered less.
That can not be a bad thing giving that choice. Also by making it download only as we did, it hopefully, encouraged people who had dared to go online to buy it, to also go online to play it, which is personally, and yes its selfish, but personally that is what I want, because no matter how much work is done on AI etc, there is nothing quite like playing against friends and with other people.
Also the idea had we done it blu-ray from the off with all the content it would have arrived earlier, I dont think it would, things still take time and resource.
As a developer, the download model game us the opportunity to push the PSN, pushmultiplayer gaming, and test out some things, as a gamers player it gives choice allows for tweaks that wouldnt otherwise happen and gives a ceaper initial investment to trying something.
I appreciate those factors are not for everyone, but for me personally (and the decision is by no means mine I'm just a cog in a bigger machine) I think thats pretty cool
Hmmm. Thanks for taking the time to post such a detailed response. :)
I find two of your statements particularly surprising - that you wouldn't have included Eliminator had it been a Blu-Ray release from the start, and that you don't think this level of content would have arrived sooner had you done it the traditional way.
Now that I've been sufficiently corrected, I am thankful that you chose to do it this way - the thought of no Eliminator is deeply upsetting! :o
Afaic, DLC is the way of the future and I don't mind a bit. I have no real need whatsoever to have my house cluttered up with game packaging. I don't miss the plastic containers and pretty cover pics for any of the download games I've purchased and not having to worry about my kids destroying the discs is a bonus. I'd expect it won't be many console generations before downloading is the primary means for getting the games.
I also don't mind at all having been able to enjoy Wipeout HD for the past 6 or 8 months while they worked on FURY. Frankly, I don't think HD is that much "smaller" than a full game release anyway. Sure, you could argue that eight tracks is a little light but theres full games that don't offer more than that - the original Motorstorm for one.
Obviously though, if you happen to be philosophically opposed to DLC in general, you're not likely to see the "bright side" of the coin in this case...
People miss online time trial atm !! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Colin Berry
When my PS3s blu ray packed up the only PS3 nourishment I had was downloadable games- Wipeout as a download literally saved my sanity!! Plus it means (being the lazy git I am) I dont have to keep on putting a disc into my PS3 when I want to play...
Great news Colin & Paul :hyper
Can't wait to DL it yihaaaaa :banzai
I'm content with Wipeout on PSN - but even I desire something tangible - I'm not sure about others, but I've got a couple totes in my basement that contain my consoles of yesteryear. There's nothing quite like opening up one of these old boxes, and thumbing through the original Wipeout (inside a long case, no less) and playing it up. That's the downside with download only - should my drive fail, or become corrupt 10 years from now - or should PSN fall through - what then? I'm still able to play all my other games - even my NES stuff still works *knocks on wood*.
While the game is there - an element is missing with just data on a platter - the box, artwork, manual and disc itself bring something that my Western Digital cannot.
It's like the difference between commuting via city bus to get to work, or your own motorcycle - they both accomplish the task, but one has more feeling to it.
Then again... I am nuckin futz...
HD was a bargain and Fury is definitely a bargain, shame the hardware required is so expensive!!!!
i will give my mate a tenner and tell him to download it.
one day ps3, one day, you will be mine (and resonably priced)
also, that was an interesting read Colin, just out of curiosity was HD always going to be PSN or was it Blu-Ray early in development? And have HD sales been good on PSN? i always wonder how/if the digital only thing really effects things like that much, seen as so many people are online these days.
Eliminator went in Fury because we saw people expressing a desire for it once we released HD, we wouldnt have seen people missing it without and initial release and would likely have tried something else, I probably cant say for 100% it wouldnt have been there, but I'd say the chances are it wouldnt. the fact when we released HD people expressed a desire for it in reviews and on forums made us rethink and rework it for inclusion in fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLazarou
The delivery method does not really affect how long the content takes to create, the levels / art work etc, still take time. The only way to deliver earlier would have been to have put more poeple on the project, something we werent in a position to do. Plus there are little things such as blu-rays take longer to get out from master sub to release (with download there are no discs to press etc), maybe only a month or 6 weeks more, but it would all have added up.
Edit - HD was always intended as a download PSN title
Must of been that pleasant request PM i sent to Paul ages ago that made the difference of the addition of Eliminator:) Im happy that it is included:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Berry
Eliminator is an awesome game mode, I can't imagine why it was originally going to be excluded :?
I enjoy WOHD hugely, and while the downloadable only tag was hard to swallow at first, it shows just how well the system can work. PSN is the closest
thing to how DLC should be done as of yet, and I also am invovling steam in my comparison. The main issue plaguing steam is the many issues it has with
compatibility. Example is the possible incompatibility between a steam version of the game and a non-steam version of a game to name one.
What I think sets WOHD apart from other game which are DL or have DLC is that it truly is a deal to buying it online. Many gamers dislike DLC since
most developers use it to release "extra" content at a price even when that content should have been in the game to begin with. Examples of this
include Soul Calibre with "buying" yoda when he is actually already on the disc and you are only paying to unlock him, and the Resident Evil MP option.
DLC is being abused buy the big names, and embraced by the small ones (not that SL is small), with Q-Games (Pixel Junkie) and other companies releasing quality
games that people are willing to buy. I am looking forward to Titan Studio's new game Fat Princess, another PSN only (least I think it is) game.
It looks full of content, has all the piece of a full borne disc game (actually more then some of my disc games), but at the same time not abusing
the price point.
http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Games/Fat_Princess (if u are interested/confused)
I can't wait for fury and the price point of $15Can almost feels like im stealing when I look at a $70 game with least content. SL needs to go and slap the
gaming press for giving it the cold shoulder and get its self in the spot light for once since it deserves it for the quality of a game it has produced.
It nearly was to become a online feature in Pulse. But never came to be. Awesome feature in Pulse, love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by diddymal
Anyone who still hasnt been convinced HD + Fury is a bargain will be eating your words soon enough.
Maybe instead you should go spend your money on 2 Killzone 2 maps for £5. No no weapons, not even "new maps" as such, just ripped totally from a single player mission.
Now theres a "bargain".
As far as I'm concerned, Wipeout HD is actually saving me lots of money becuase every time I think about buying another game, I decide against it because I want to master Wipeout HD first.
I'm hugely excited about Wipeout Fury, but would still be happy with HD for months to come - to get that much value from a game is pretty much priceless.
You'd have to be a chump to buy that game anyway, it sucks pretty bad. I bought it, still pretty bitter about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by osama bin haydn
8 quid , worth it just for the new tracks without the modes or ships. without the tracks i don't think i would of been as much interested (as much as i love this game) I mean at least were not paying a fiver for new ship skins which doesnt add much to the game really. Take dead space , this game had some of the most pointless add ons, like the one for new guns skins . Whats the point as it doesnt change the game at all. My point being we have new tracks to get blown up on, rather than seeing our new ships needing new paint jobs. I'd Ilike to thank SL for providing me with hours of fun and the many more to come with Fury;)
@ diddymal, how can you say that about KZ2? I really enjoyed that game! The campaign was solid, kept your interest and the intensity all the way through and was very satisfying. The online mode is very well thought out and great fun too (if a little hard)! Its a tactical shooter, not your normal run 'n' gun FPS and for me that made it all the more interesting.
I think it's because I've played heaps of CoD4, the aiming and guns just felt really clunky in comparison. Plus it was annoying emptying a whole magazine into an enemy and not kill them. -4/10