Wipeout World Cup 2009

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Originally Posted by kanar

Kaori, I think it's better to have at least 5 substitutes (and a team of around 9/10 players). We all have a real life & obligations. Regarding the teams involved, maybe we could start the process by creating national teams in the social group|

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I still camp on that position, after reading some more posts here :

world cup process : phase 1:
-national teams created in the social group section.
phase 2:
-qualifying series for countries having more than 10 pilots.
-announcement of the selected team (1 to 10 pilots)
-(best hope 16 or 32 nations competing) : 4 or 5 officials/referees from different countries in order to fix the event agenda (Mad-Ice, blackwiggle, Epsilon... maybe?)

As you said Lunar, when I heard the words "world cup" I thought about (a team France) Asayyeah, Pirhapac, kingheim, wotan straight away... I mean elite pilots. I'm not even considering myself as a substitute lol. 10 pilots per team (after qualifying series/national selections) seems fair to me. I'm sure all the pilots in the team could at least make some races (coach decisions lol, in order to manage the best pilots conditions)

P.S we need to bring back AKfurtif (ubermall F, SL = 18.97!!!):banzai & daguet_rapide :piratehere (or at wipeoutArena) too, and France will be invincible LOL

elitist it is then.
lets make a WZ torny for everyone at some stage :g

Hi All.

....what a mess of ideas on the table!......acc!

Here's what I think about this Wipeout world championship.

I have the feeling that strictly following the division of nations would end up wasting lots of good pilots of those nations that have the most.

In a world where frontiers are and will increasingly be demolished, I hope, the world championships will be increasingly tied to the team rather than to nations.

A fact which is already clearly present in both the F1 than in football.

That said here's how I imagine the participants in this event.

There are pilots that bind to a team in the name of an ideal of friendship or simple choice, while maintaining their national identity.

Then at the end, there will be a winning team in points and a stronger pilot.
He will be the representative of his nation.

The teams are free to bind to a particular nation, they say, but the pilots, who are in no need to be in the same country of the team.

In this way we can have a lot of teams with simple rules of organization and constitution.

You have spoken of France 1 and France 2, as I think, it could fit without problems, because pilots are not within range of A or B, but only pilots who are together for friendship and free choice.

It's less important the level of all the pilots of the team, but the team itself!

It 'clear that if a team is composed of the four strongest riders in the world will be difficult for others to succeed beat.
As only a pilot wins the championship for his nation have within a team of this type a lot more rivalry and lack of cooperation with the hypothetical risk of a poor outcome as a team.

I imagine a team where coexist wellington and pirhapac .... try to imagine if they ever work together to make points to their team....maybe yes, but it's probably not...and this take advantage of the other pilots / teams in the race.

It's goal of all the strong riders to be part of a team with other pilots to help and not obstruct their path, as happens in F1 racing and cycling.

I am convinced that if we leave that to form the team freely without national ties get a better result and all the drivers that will be accepted on a team will have the opportunity to make something useful for the team itself.

I also thought of the simple rules constituting the team:

1) There is total freedom in creating the team, create the unique bond of Wzone social groups.

2) There is not a constraint on the number of pilots it employs. are obviously more difficult to manage the more the desire to participate.

3) When a team is created is elected got a coach / manager who will manage to participate in the final races of the championship.

It's clear that the manager will manage the pilots in the outcome of the team, but also in its strongest and most pilots who have the chance to win the world drivers for nations.

An ideal situation:
Team made up of 6 pilots with at least two elite and four strong gregarious. The competitions are made up of four riders at a time or two pilots of the team at a time. can be put in place strategies for the race as a team to assist the elite pilots to take more points as possible for the team and for themselves.


The programming of the races will be in the form teams in the tournament with a round and a return to give more opportunities to win different teams.

I expect it will be a championship rather long and divided on the basis of as many teams will participate.

will be made an initial entry to the championship that has a deadline beyond which you can not go.
may happen that during the championship that some drivers may be added to each team.

ok.....it's all for now.....but National team Italy it's forming now and we are in two....me and Il_Nik for sure, but i love to think that Lunar is with us! ;-)

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CdRom

Of course Alterego, maybe we'll have to decide first if it's a nationality-based Wipeout world cup or the wipeout world championship with teams(/clans?) like in formula 1...

Hi Kanar, hi all.

For me every formula fits well..... :)

.....only I see more smoothly organization in our reality in the second way, teams/F1 style.

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CdRom

Seeing a ton of good ideas for the event in this thread :cake

I see a lot of talk about creating multiple teams, which seems like a good idea for countries like France and England - and should be entirely up to the individual country.

However, from my point of view (haven't discussed this in the team nordic social group), I hope Team Nordic will consist of all the members in that board and it will be my proposal that all of us gets a chance to represent the geographical zone (having a rotation in the team setup). Of course, it is easy for me to say, as our group is sufficiently small for it to work and we are more likely to be in a situation where it will be difficult to put up a full team :).
As I see it, there are plenty of events that cater to the "raw" competion aspect (Avalon etc...) and I really hope this event will be as much a social event as it will be fierce competition (then again, I am a softy).

On an entirely different note, how do those of you, that have participated in team events, train the use of weapons. I would assume, that there could actually be a significant tactical element to racing lines and weapons use, depending on where the rest of your team mates are placed in a specific race - especially since all positions counts.
When to quake, where to put mines, saving that missile to prevent Wellington from getting ahead even if it cost me my own life ;) etc...

Wow... That's a whole lot of text.

Whatever, I'm in. Just tell me where and when and I'll throw my ship down whatever track you guys want.

It's all gone pear shape,so it seems.

Unless a conclusion on how this event is sorted in the next week I will no longer be interested.

Please take the words to this song to heart

http://video.google.com.au/videosear...um=4&ct=title#

It's meant as everybody has an opinion for those that can't fathom it.

The "Let's Be Friends" Wipeout tribe call rings true.

why must it be sorted this week??? theres a whole lot to sort out.

you make the decision then if your so impatient.

reading all these posts is making my head ****ing hurt. Bloody hell. This thread is an idea/concept with no time frame. Maybe a quite down period with some thinking time before we post again guys. We've got some good ideas. Which is good.

I find myself agreeing with Kigo - where are we with this? I'm an Irish pilot, I know only a few others from this small land - should I gather the troops or are we going ahead without national boundries?

could someone provide a synopsis of the current staus of this World cup please?

Rorschach: we are not really anywhere with it at this moment in time :frown:

We seem to of reached a point where we have to agree on a few things.

Is it going to be.

1, a 4 player team event (one team per country)
2, multiple teams from one country in one single tournament
3, multiple teams from one country in separate divisions
4, a clan type arrangement for friends of any country in one team
5, 4 pilots who use the same ship in a team

That's just to get the team set up........then

Are we

1, having one single tournament
2, having a division system
3, having one big league

And then we probably will discuss the intricate rules that will no doubt follow. If anyone noticed EPSILONS initial Post it did say Wipeout World Cup 2009 :lol. I still think we can easily get it organized and ready to go by early summer.

Also mate I could do a Haydn and claim Irish heritage on my mothers side if you are short of pilots (to be sure :))

I speak for the first time here!

Here are some of my ideas:
- A long qualification phase for several months
- A final phase for one or two consecutive days

Phase of qualifications : 2 groups.
Meetings home & away, once home, once away, the home team will host 2 tournaments (one of 8 normal tracks and one of 8 reverse) : one phantom with weapons and one choosed by home team (from venom to phantom, with or without weapons).
Sum of the points of 2 tournaments, the winner gets 3 points, 1 point for the loser, 2 points each if equality. (I put one point for the loser to encourage them to play games even if they lack a player).

It is the teams who agree to an appointment to play their matches, and it will be a good idea to play home & away matches the same day. For the number of players, 4 against 4 at the base, if a team is at 3, she found a replacement, if not replacing, 4 against 3, the sum of points of all players. This avoids that a team can force another to play 3 because a player very good is absent.

It will set a deadline to play this qualification phase, if matches were not played, while the worse for the teams involved, they will lose points. However, if is really a team of bad faith does not argue its matches, for example, to penalize another team, like "it does not play against the French, so they will not score any points, :evil", and in this case, all these matches will be considered late lost package (0 points), and won by the opponent. This will be discussed of course with a jury.

This qualification phase will allow some nations to involve several teams. The teams of the same nation will be placed in the same qualifying group, only the first will be qualified for the finals. Others can be paid in a final phase B (called eg Nations Cup).

Final phase : the number of qualified depends on the number of teams at the beginning of the qualification. But I thought of 8 teams (it can also walk to 6). All tournaments will be armed!
The first 4 of each qualification group will be qualified, but only one team per nation, so if France and France B in the first 4, the lower will be replaced by the fifth or more, etc..
The teams will be ranked from 1 to 8 (or 6) according to their place and number of points during the qualifications. We will do a draw, the first teams 1 and 2 are separated in each pool, then 3-4, 5-6 and 7-8, to balance. When 2 teams that were in the same qualification are still in the final group, we stop the run and complete with teams from the other group qualifier, I don't know if you understand me, but it's in the aim to have 2 teams from each qualificatiob group in each group.

2 Pool 4: here the competition becomes intense. I name the teams A, B, C and D (A is 1 or 2, B is 3 or 4 ... you follow me forever?)
Match 1: D receives A and B receives C
Match 2: A receives C and B receives D
Match 3: A receives B and C receives D
A and B will host 2 times, advantage won during the qualifications. The matches will take place on a single tournament of 8 courses, to be defined before. (If there is group of 3 teams, C receives A, B and C will receive a B.)

Then, just after or the next day, the first of each group will receive the second of the other in semi-final, with host the first of each group. Only one tournament of 8 or 12 races.
The finals and classification matches (between the 3rd and 4th) will take place in 2 tournaments alternate host. 8 races in each tournament.


Cup of Nations: The non-qualified teams to participate in a similar tournament on the same day or the day before or the same weekend.

In case of equal points at the end of qualifications or groups in the final pool (3 for win, 1 defeat and 2 for zero), we will take into account the total points scored by players from team).

PS : If you want this post in french language, I can send it you by PM.

Alright, hows this for a familiar setup -

* 4 groups consist of 4 teams. ( 16 teams total )
* Each team plays one another in a 4 vs 4, 8 race torny, forward tracks, with weapons.
* Once you play all 3 teams, you do the same again with backwards tracks.
* You recieve points for your country depending on your final position ( 1st 8 points, 2nd 6 etc....) a single pilots points are irrelivent ( making not shooting friendly pilots more important :g )
* Tally up your score, and the top 2 teams qualify for the knockout stage. ( the winner of one group, is pitted against the runner up of another ).

The problem was always how to include pilots from largely represented teams. I imagine splitting them up would probably be best OR letting no pilot compete in more than 3 consecutive races.

Reading back through this, people may see this as a longwinded tournament, but hey-ho, here's my 2 cents worth.

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Didnt see your post mate.Your way sounds good... bit confusing (one of your slick diagrams will fix that :g )

I was thinking this was going down the pan.

Could we do a vote on what everyone wants in a new thread?

Some things to consider in configuring the tournament:

-Whom should we select as arbitraters/officials/organizers?
-Can we get Collin's input as to what is feasible?
-Is internet service uniform across all regions?
-What about timezones, and how should we decide on race start times?
-What about speed classes,weapons options, number of competitors in race?
-How should we implement registration?
-Are there other Wipeout Sites that we may want to involve?

I suggest we get a survey going to find out how many people are willing to participate and who is willing take responsiblity before we decide what is feasible, and I hope that the site admins take an active responsiblity to make this possible!

As mentioned in the videos thread Ive made a trailer to try and rekindle some interest in this thing :g

http://www.wegame.com/watch/wipeoutH...easer_Trailer/

@ima_gin_e
read through the thread a bit. most your concerns have been brought up, though decissions have been lacking.....

Incorrect skin!
I use the yellow and black one ;)

No idea what's going on, just saying I'm still participating whenever this happens. :)

now thats just being picky! :g admit it, you love the pinkl!

Wow , very nice job osama :clap .
Now , i can't wait anymore the world cup :rock


P.S : mistake in my skin too ^^ (i use blue skin most of the time)

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Originally Posted by Wotan

P.S : mistake in my skin too ^^ (i use blue skin most of the time)

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Ahem! Mine too, Osama. You seem to think I go for the magic invisible skin :(. You still bitter that I shunned Team England?

wow, very nice Osama :D

Lucoflux? :lol

ima_gin_e: Who is Collin?

Haydn, that's a brilliant video, while you have been getting everyone's skin wrong you have managed to get me in the wrong ship entirely :lol, still i think I look quite good there, sat on the start line.......brooding.........waiting.......thinking who is going to eliminate me next.

Darkdrium777: I will put you on the list, do you know any other Canadians that want in?

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Originally Posted by osama bin haydn

As mentioned in the videos thread Ive made a trailer to try and rekindle some interest in this thing :g

http://www.wegame.com/watch/wipeoutH...easer_Trailer/

@ima_gin_e
read through the thread a bit. most your concerns have been brought up, though decissions have been lacking.....

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Good video though:+ I noticed the concluding scene on that video, that the audio was from Crash Bandicoot 3:D nice one.

Thats my Pulse ship though lol. I would only really need to use it in HD on that Sol2 track.

In HD when i use Goteki45, i use the 3rd skin. when i use EG-X i use the 2nd skin, and when im flying around in Triakis i use the 2nd skin.

So what is the latest update on TEAMs? KGB, where is your list?

By the way,the person who coined the phrase "It's Wipeout,We Race We Die" was Nadia Elenova.
Got to give credit where it's due.:lol

Crash Bandicoot 3.... just before the level loads Tiny Tiger's face talks to you in that blue swirly vortex. Wow that seems so long ago ^^

alright i got a fair bit wrong.... it was kinda filling gaps at the end!!!
still, was done when i had no internet for a while, still pretty good guessing! :g

illl do a proper team based one if it gets moving :g

I am NOT a gap filler. Please treat everyone equally. :)

I think a poll is the only way any of us are going to come to any sort of agreement and actually get this thing off the ground.

Cut the options to 4 basic ones that have been proposed,and take the one that gets to 50 votes first.

Apart from a core group within the Wipeoutzone, there doesn't really seem to be that many that are very interested in participating in the decision making process on how this WC should be organized.

I've posted the proposed concept of a WC at the Aus/Nz Playstation forum a few weeks ago and didn't even get one response,or general query regarding it.
The silence was deafening and I can only conclude that it holds no interest to those that visit that forum.

Hopefully once an agreement has been made on the operational structure of the WC interest will pick up.
I'm just getting a general apathetic vibe ATM concerning the whole thing.
A sort of "Well you guys organize it and I MIGHT participate if I can be bothered" or "I don't think I'm good enough to race in a WC" response.

It has been construed as something solely for the Elite class racers by many HD players from the messages I've received,hence their understandable reticence in participating.

I don't know what can be done to cater for the less technically proficient pilots,but this needs to be addressed so it seems more appealing to them and get them involved,they are after all in the majority.

I have just this moment had a EUREKA moment on how we could rank players without the need for qualifiers.
Have everybody that wants to race in the WC put all their times for everything into Connavars records site,then use the rankings from the site to sort racers into ability groups.

Please count me in to represent the USA! I promise to do my best not to embarrass my country or myself! :D

The teaser/trailer brought me here: I want to, wait - have to be in!

But what team could I join?

a) Germany
b) German speaking racers (Danterich, Mateo, are you in?)
c) Most senior W'O'' racers (I think I'm very close to the top :lol )

I'll be 49 April 25th,I think only Lance and one other are older.

I love HD,keeps me going.
It got rather boring trying to rope people in to race against with 2097,WO3 and Fusion,can't blame them,getting thrashed is not something you would want to do regularly.

At least I have some people better than me to race against now.

LOVE IT.:lol

I hardly play online but I was hoping I'd get name checked in the video :frown: :P

EURO centric.

Good video none the less,guess I can't blame Hayden for exclusions,the video would of gone on for ages.+1

That is one sweet and hot teaser! Lovin' it!

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Originally Posted by Greenix

Crash Bandicoot 3.... just before the level loads Tiny Tiger's face talks to you in that blue swirly vortex. Wow that seems so long ago ^^

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Yes long time. First time i beat Tiny on Crash3 was 10years and 2months ago now. Good old days:)

Naughty Dog buy back this franchise now! before this great game of the 90s go to complete ****.

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Originally Posted by Darkdrium777

I am NOT a gap filler. Please treat everyone equally. :)

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You got fuking owned bad... Haydn did fuk up a bit there i gotta say honestly. You can always get back and create a new Wipeout World Cup video featuring every player in the know Wipeout universe minus Haydn:lol

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Originally Posted by blackwiggle

I think a poll is the only way any of us are going to come to any sort of agreement and actually get this thing off the ground.

Cut the options to 4 basic ones that have been proposed,and take the one that gets to 50 votes first.

Apart from a core group within the Wipeoutzone, there doesn't really seem to be that many that are very interested in participating in the decision making process on how this WC should be organized.

I've posted the proposed concept of a WC at the Aus/Nz Playstation forum a few weeks ago and didn't even get one response,or general query regarding it.
The silence was deafening and I can only conclude that it holds no interest to those that visit that forum.

Hopefully once an agreement has been made on the operational structure of the WC interest will pick up.
I'm just getting a general apathetic vibe ATM concerning the whole thing.
A sort of "Well you guys organize it and I MIGHT participate if I can be bothered" or "I don't think I'm good enough to race in a WC" response.

It has been construed as something solely for the Elite class racers by many HD players from the messages I've received,hence their understandable reticence in participating.

I don't know what can be done to cater for the less technically proficient pilots,but this needs to be addressed so it seems more appealing to them and get them involved,they are after all in the majority.

I have just this moment had a EUREKA moment on how we could rank players without the need for qualifiers.
Have everybody that wants to race in the WC put all their times for everything into Connavars records site,then use the rankings from the site to sort racers into ability groups.

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Stop typing large posts Blackwiggle. You are giving me headaches reading them all the times. lol.

Good idea though, we could put that into action.

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Right.

So players skills will be split up in to skill cataglories?..

Elite very skilled players.
GROUP A
Mid Range players.
GROUP B
Newbie and not phantom players
GROUP C

This way we can solve very big teams with too many player.

They can organise this on there social groups, because im ****ed if i will, too much time is involved. Right now im going to talk with fellow members of my Social Group "TEAM AN-NZ" to see where we can organise these players in our area.

To get this idea going, each social group will have to organise there own thing first.

Yeah Osama, Very Good Trailer :+

I Edit my firt post of this thread to include it ^^

But I admit that the English Language is a problems for me and for the organization of this World Cup and to discuss with you :frown:

Especially when there is a long long post....

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Originally Posted by KIGO1987

Right.

So players skills will be split up in to skill cataglories?..

Elite very skilled players.
GROUP A
Mid Range players.
GROUP B
Newbie and not phantom players
GROUP C

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I'm agree with this repartition ^^

Lot of pilots can participate and it was a good news to have a maximum players for this event.

Then it's settled! We clone a nocturnal version of darkdrium777 for french->english translation purposes!

I must be seeing things through sleep deprivation, have we actually agreed on something. :lol

Still a slight problem with this :paperbag i am afraid, we have only 6 countries with a group of 4 or more pilots, if there are 3 groups then that is 2 in each, which would mean everyone is in the final! Hooray!!!!:P

The list of participants are on page 10.

It seems we have.
Use Connavars website where people have entered their records in.
That is used as a basis of ranking.
Each player/racer is/should be with an individual country[the flags are there]

You race in the rank that the filters give you.

Easy,everybody can see where you rank.

Points given to the country you race for against others in your same rank.

Divide the amount of players for one country with points achieved.

It would have to be no more than one player from each country in each race.

Each player would race in their division,on each of the 16 tracks ,both with and without weapons.
A tournament would be unfair I think,major reason why is that the winner of the previous race would automatically be placed at the rear of the field.
Each race would have to be raced as a single event.
Pot Luck as for grid positions