Weapons and Tracks

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Originally Posted by Lance

Pure seems to be its own separate evolution from those of WO3 and Fusion. three parallel evolutions to separate Wipeout futures.

or a radical rethink by the League organisers

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That's the first thing that crossed my mind when I read FX300 league. Pure is certainly more than simple evolution.

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Originally Posted by Brother Laz

You'd think the Sony CEO himself designed it the way they shove it down our throats. One of the shortest tracks in the series

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Which is because it is only the second one of the game.

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the first tunnel seems to have been slapped in to connect the two ends when they ran out of inspiration [just like the final tunnel on Vostok and the part after the pit lane on Mega Mall

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Tunnels have always been a crucial element to Wipeout, so I don't think they simply ran out of inspiration. What makes you think so? The tunnels you mention are well integrated parts of their respective tracks, I find.

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and I still have nightmares about the exceedingly silly 'avalanche danger' and 'collapsed bridge ahead' signs in 2097. It isn't even a collapsed bridge, christ.

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Why is not a bridge? Also, the avalanche warnings add to the coherence of the overall stage design. I never found them silly.

Or did I miss what you were saying? I'm not quite sure any more... :)

Ben

[quote="GKyl'"]Why is not a bridge? Also, the avalanche warnings add to the coherence of the overall stage design. I never found them silly.[quote]

It's a sort of small cliff you jump off. There is no actual gap in the road.

As for the avalanche and collapsed bridge signs, they remind me of that cynical Wipeout64 game, which involved racing on an active volcano [for "serious background action"] and storyline bits about irradiated penguins and being #1 in the category of "heavy pollutant" industry. It seems odd to race [and explode thunder bombs] on a track that can fall on your head at any moment.

Nice to see Karbonis back, though. Always wondered why it wasn't in '3. :)

cool, sounds greek... :)

all the classic tracks are tron style i heard...

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Originally Posted by Lance

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[totally effin' offtopic, but interesting to me: the name i had always heard was Chomo Lungma [Goddess Mother of the World], but possibly that is exclusive to the Sherpas of Tibet and Nepal rather than to the more general Tibetan population. i wonder what the Chinese call it. last night when i was watching a repeat of a Globetrekker episode in which Ian Wright goes to Nepal and climbs high enough to get a good view of the mountain, his guide called it Chomo Lungma. it all depends on which language tradition you're part of. i was kinda surprised at the 'Sagarmatha' name in WO2.]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_everest you're both right :)

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Sagarmatha (सगरमाथा, Sanskrit for "Forehead of the Sky")

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in Tibetan Chomolangma or Qomolangma ("Mother of the Universe")

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hm... but Sanskrit isn't a living language spoken by any tribe or country, is it? if so, that would make any Sanskrit name a scholarly usage of a dead language. deader than Latin. hmmmm... i gotta look this up.

and come to think of it, the only Tibetans who live around Everest are the Sherpa. [or anywhere in the high altitudes along the Himalayan summit line in the region. so all the native names of the mountains would presumably be in the Sherpa language.]

edit: i checked on Sanskrit. used almost exclusively by Indian scholars so they can read old manuscripts. there is some interest [i suspect again only among scholars] in reviving the language. what living culture might actually choose to use it seems doubtful to me.
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Whatever lance, you know you always lose everyone when you get going like that, the fact of the matter is, Sagarmatha is one name used for Mount Everest, whether it be in the past or present, plus you say about reviving the language, if Sagarmatha's in 2097, they might have revived the language. Just an idea ;)

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Originally Posted by Brother Laz

It's a sort of small cliff you jump off.

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I figured this was because the bridge had collapsed. ;-)

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There is no actual gap in the road.

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Oh, but there is. The gap is there, alright.

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As for the avalanche and collapsed bridge signs, they remind me of that cynical Wipeout64 game [,,,]

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P.O.D., maybe? Loved that game! It didn't have much of a well-thought story to back up its concept, more of a run-of-the-mill background to settle it into a futuristic environment. All of the later released tracks also made it pretty clear how much the game did not take itself serious. But hey, I didn't care :), POD was one outstanding racing game with loads of tracks and great multiplayer capabilities.


Lance: Yes, Sanskrit is still being spoken in India, quite actively really, which is mostly due to a strong religious background of the people. However, personally I do not believe the Indians will officially revive the language. Too few are capable of using Sanskrit grammar to a degree which measures Hindi or English. Not to mention India's aspiration of becoming a modern, westernized society.


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hey, i said it was offtopic. ;)
and yes i know that not everyone pursues knowledge just for the knowing. at least not on most topics.
most of us here pursue Wipeout knowledge like that, though. :D
but linguistics is another thing entirely. it interests at least three but possibly only three WZ members that i know of.

what was the topic again? something about tracks? and weapons? maybe we could have a gag projector to stop talkative pilots? the Darth Vader Force Choke. yeah. applied to the forums instead of the racecourse this weapon would make the forums too one-dimensional. in my opinion.

'' you know you always lose everyone when you get going like that''
everyone? certainly you, but please do not speak for everyone as though your own feeling is universal. object to what i say all that you want, but never pretend that you represent everyone. one should not even convince oneself of such a thing, no matter how strong the temptation. and we should not try to spread responsibility for our own opinions onto the backs of others in an attempt to dilute or deflect any results of having an opinion, nor attempt to fortify our opinions/positions by claiming that others agree when that agreement has not been made clear by those others when speaking their own opinion for themselves.

now thERe is an offtopic post that is relevant to this topic and all topics on any forum. in my opinion.

anyone whom i lose when i go off on a sidebranch of knowledge can always skip that after seeing that it goes someplace uninteresting to them. that's what i do when i can, though as a moderator i have to at least skim through all of every post. but i don't have to comment on it if it doesn't interest me.

all statements not in quotes in this post are my opinion and it is not to be assumed that any other person whatsoever shares them with me. i take responsibility for my opinions entirely on myself.
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Originally Posted by Lance

maybe we could have a gag projector to stop talkative pilots? the Darth Vader Force Choke. yeah.

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There's normally something like that in the admin panel, they call it "Ban Control" ;)

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please read my now completed post above. i was interrupted by my ISP disconnecting before the edit was complete. you are probably not going to like what i said. but you are certainly entitled to your opinion

addition: about ban control. yes, the WZ forums do have that, but what you're talking about would just be ordinary moderation. i've only had to use banning once, and that was for an issue that didn't even involve posting. for posting issues, there are multiple ways to solve problems. private messages, edits, post deletion for more extreme misuse, public discussion when a poster doesn't read their private messages or when a statement on moderation policy or 'philosophy' should be seen by the members in general. in the most extreme cases of persistent offensive posting, banning could be used; i think infox has only used it twice that i know of in the history of these forums.
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OK, nevermind what I was gonna say then lol (don't wanna be landed in any more trouble), i was only joking when I said about losing people (myself included ;)), they're a smart bunch around here, i'm sure a little off topic chat about the source of the names of tracks isn't above any WOZ member's intellect, guess i still have to learn properly when and when not to try and beh funneh in the heat of a serious discussion, I apologise, i'll try be a boring bastard from now on, promise :)

off topic - I did Sanskrit for a term at Uni. But the only thing I learned to say was "the King is riding to Delhi on an elephant." And I`ve forgotten how to say that now. Essential information to make your day.

on topic (though I`m not sure what the topic is) - I think Sagarmatha is a great track, but Talons Reach or Gare d`Europa would have been better choices. They are the iconic 2097 tracks.

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Originally Posted by zargz

The shortcut on Sagamatha could we also do without.

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I agree, this is an ugly shortcut and takes out some great sections of track. I never used it, but mainly because I can`t be bothered to learn to pull it off. Also its impossible in Pirahnha I believe.

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Originally Posted by Mobius

all the classic tracks are tron style i heard...

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where did you hear this? Can Colin confirm/refute/stall :wink: ?

I believe he chose the second option a while back when this was brought up the first time (the tron style thing I mean) :wink:

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Dimension, yes, they tend to be a smart bunch. praise be to those responsible.

but please do not be boring. the problem in this text medium is knowing when someone is serious and when they aren't. can't see the faces, can't hear the tone of voice, and usually don't know an individual's character well from long experience, so we don't have enough clues to figure it out. and i long ago discovered that i have no telepathic skills. dammit. irony and sarcasm usually have to be elaborated on to become visible in text. or we have to use ten emoticons per sentence. which gets old. i use too many of 'em already. when i'm dead tired and have 20 or more updated topics to read through, it's easy for me to lose the subtleties anyway. your post looked completely serious. and my reply certainly was, and remains a part of my outlook on human relations and personal responsibility.

i tend to be intense, and nothing sets me off faster than incivility or discrimination against minorities by the thoughtless or intentionally self-centered majority. those two things just.... grrrrrrrrRRRR.

ahem. sorry about that. :)

oh yeah, and uh... assuming that one's own thoughts and feelings are universal Truth. ok, so 3 triggers.
ok, that's it for this post.
i think. hm...
yep. that's it
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Originally Posted by Mobius

cool, sounds greek... :)

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yeah it does .. but it's in japan! 8)

Preaterea censeo autopilotum esse delandam

heh, yup, I used to moderate a couple of big forums, got me all worked up too; i'll talk more carefully next time, but a bit of this can't hurt, now that you mention it::) :D 8O :? :lol: :roll:

New question on the tracks: Which version of "Mandrashee" do you think it will be in purE? (it is mandrashee, right?) I wonder if Colin would enlighten us? :)

Well, I've seen screenshots of underwater scenery. Wouldn't that be the one? :?

He's talking about the classic league tracks on purE !
how did I know that? 8)

Praeterea censeo autopilotum esse delendam

yeah, sorry I should have pointed out, I did mean Mandrashee in the classic league, I was just wondering since there are several versions of it on fusion, right? :?