What's the magic word? :P
j/k - Sounds like there are more theories brewing. I really wanted an early night but might have to hang around a bit.
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What's the magic word? :P
j/k - Sounds like there are more theories brewing. I really wanted an early night but might have to hang around a bit.
@SaturnReturn: Was already given; ASAP (an enhanced version for please). xD
Well, I might have found another solution to prevent from being spammed, even
while playing online! Since the ads are downloaded afterwards (about 25MB), one
can fill up his disc by creating an artificial large file (a large mp3 or mpeg file stored
on a possibly external HDD) such that only three or five megabytes are left after
copying it over to the primary disc. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the game says;
you need at least 25MB disc storage to play the game. xD Can someone figure it out
(someone who's disc is nearly full)? If there aren't any requirements on the space left
to play the game, then this method should work -- after one has installed the game
like I've written in one of my previous posts.
Haha nice problem solving, but let's hope Ads were an afterthought, otherwise
maybe Fury already reserved some space in the HDD during its installation.
@Connavar: It doesn't, I've checked multiple times. If you install WipEout the
way I told, then the game takes about 187x megabytes. Once you start it up,
while being connected to the PSN, the background download starts. When done,
WipEout takes about 191x megabytes. ;)
I would test it out myself, but my primary disc has about 400GB left and the
largest partition on my external disc is only about 300GB. So it would takes
some time to get it done.
As an additional note to my previous post; just in case you have about one or two
gigabytes left, then you might also download something from the store (instead
of creating a mpeg file) that fills up you disc.
I can't take it any more!
So many ads! So many ads...
My personal favourite is the ps3 generic ad - what tosspot thought this was useful?
I'm done - it's wrecked the game.
I think it was your Haikus. They were so impressed they decided you don`t, like, you know, fit standard the gamer profile that they are, like, targeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeldar2097
I don`t know if the stuff on that page is real, it is at best fairly selective and very patronising. Anyway all I know is I really like, like Rocky films for some reason now and I want some.
With reference to earlier discussions about terms and conditions, I have found that even if there are terms and conditions that allow Sony to make a material change to a game without the offer of a refund, this is not necessarily allowed under UK trading regulations.
http://www.oft.gov.uk/advice_and_res.../unfair-terms/
..probably.. any trade regulation. If the user-agreement changes, or the service you've bought changes.. you have every kind of right to claim your money back. That Sony doesn't explicitly inform you somewhere along the way so you can agree to it is their fault, really. So, a change in the agreement happened. ..And I doubt Sony will actually dare to refuse you - because then they would have to show you where it says in the agreement that they can change anything at any time, even inserting advertisements and changing the quality of the game at some point. Which would be excellent PR.
..I wish they'd refuse, really.
@PS: do you want me to finish the races or merely start/exit them?
Got a localized 'Braveheart Blu-Ray' today :blarg
I'm going to try out the space limitation thing, PS. It's just taking a while for me to load up the drive. Even if it works, I suspect it will not be that great of a solution for me, because I take a lot of pictures in photo mode and not having enough space will put another damper on things. Worth a shot, though! Maybe we'll learn something new and interesting in the process.
Update: Not good. The game would not start with less than 50 MB while signed in to PSN, saying there was not enough space to install trophy information. I made the necessary space and started it up, and immediately quit. I noticed that somehow I lost about 16 MB of free space and WHD had gained about 16 MB. I started it up, played a single race offline, saw an ad, and I could not have said the F-word loudly enough.
Oh man.Quote:
Originally Posted by lunar
Do they even read their own website? These ads are just like TV ads and every bit as annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by that page
'Real' is not the right word here I think. The report they're quoting is named at the bottom of the page. If you google it you will find that the report was commissioned by - yes, you guessed it - Double Fusion:eekQuote:
Originally Posted by lunar
(The report is 'Videogame Advertising Engagement Study', it was done by 'Interpret LLC' in 2007).
Here's a press release about the report, describing among other things their methodology :
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n19378379/
I especially like their definition of a worldwide market (New York, L.A. and London:D)
I'm seeking new gaming challenges at the moment so I've had no time for Wipeout HD. Or this forum, for that matter.
@RJ O' Connell: You're really missing the point here... Wipeout has always been a rewarding game for addicted players. I played WO2097 every day when I came home from school for over a year back in -97 and never got tired of it. You can proceed to other games, but this only shows that you are not a true fan of the series. Addicted Wipeout-players are not finished with this game until there is a better Wipeout out there to play... Yes, I'm a D-padder!
:blarg What's going on. D-padder? These last two posts don't look like they belong. The last one looks like it belongs here:
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/sho...162#post158162
Or did I miss something?:dizzy
Good news. It might be that you don't have to consider space limitations at all. Since the game apparently downloads the ad right away at the beginning, during the intro sequence, and not streaming during the loading sequence, it may be enough to simply never start the game while online. Always start the game offline, then sign in afterward. After a fresh reinstall, I didn't see any ads, while doing that last night.
If that doesn't work, you can always get around the 50 MB free space requirement at the beginning by starting the game offline, taking a bunch of photos in photo mode, until you run out of space, then go online, something that I was very happy to test.
I'll test that soon Koleax, cos' seriously after my first ad experience yesterday, I'm seeing Rocky everywhere now. This is truly nonsense, I can't understand the meaning of this "experiment". 3 ads rolling in circle, endlessly. really dumb. Would have been less difficult to deal with them if we had a perfect online experience, after one year of exploitation, could had been the case, no? But well, technical problems (micro-freezes, audio off, crazy weapons/respawn/ramming/framerate drops/stutters/delayed starts blah blah blah) not all related to bandwidth are still there. I'm ready to pay, as it has been said everywhere, to get Rocky removed from my ps3. This money could help to improve the online experience, maybe.
It makes the avalon chatbox quite funny though, don't you think? :g
Nice find Koleax (and nice photos), will have a look into that.
I didn't get ads for about 3days (last tue,wed,thu) but now they're back! o_O
Edit: Hooray for no more ads!!! Koleax I think I love you
Just for reference you don't need to do a clean install, you just have to start WO while bein signed out of PSN :)
Just building on ProblemSolver's efforts, standing on the shoulders of a giant. :) Where is he, btw?
Has everyone tried this now? Is it working? If not, let's iron out the issues so we can spread the word.
Well, yesterday Andybob told me about this tweak. Happy as if it was my '09 xmas present. btw, it's working for him he wrote.
I tried ... and failed.
Setup: Latest WOHD+Fury 2.10 installed w/ >300 ads played to day. :dizzy
Maybe important: German PSN account and I've a static IP ...
Test 1: PS3 + WOHD already running -> close WO -> sign out PSN -> start WO -> Main menu sign in PSN via XMB -> go WO online -> got ads
Test 2: PS3 turned off -> PS3 on w/o PSN -> start WO -> WO Main menu and sign in PSN via XMB -> go WO online -> got ads
Test3: tbd WOHD new install
So I'm still with Braveheart and Rocky and redundant stuff
cheers
Definitely try the fresh reinstall. That's what I did. It wouldn't work for me without the reinstall either.
It looks like just the people in the UK may not have to reinstall. The ads are localized so it must have something to do with their specific delivery.
It shouldn't take long and you only need to do it once. Let us know how it goes!
It worked for me.
Loaded up the game, waited until I got to the main menu screen.
Then turned on the router. Signed in - no ads!!!!!:dizzy
Thanks heaps koleax.
Holy Jesus the content on that page is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by lunar
yes, ridiculous. Where did they get those stats from? and in 2007? those comments left by gamers, were too staged to be convincing. I'd lol but this isn't funny...
Well, what can you expect when they first commission the report, and then use it to build their own case. The word deceptive springs to mind:rolleyes:
The website might be more true if the adverts were implemented in a more fitting fashion, for example billboards, otherwise the website sounds scandalous. They shouldn't really expect us to have a positive response when the adverts hinder loading times in some cases, are really loud, offer worthless information (PS3 advert whilst playing the PS3) and a very slim amount of adverts which repeat none stop and sometimes the same advert gets shown multiple times over (I'm sure the Rocky advert was shown to me around 10 times in a row to me on Friday's Avalon night). The adverts have also been added after the game has been launched, it wouldn't be so bad if didn't have to adjust to them.
Instead of video adverts I would have much preferred subtle product placement a la 2097. Having adverts on billboards, ship liveries and maybe even an image on a loading screen wouldn't be intruding on the game experience.
It could be worse, I suppose. The failed Gizmondo games console forced basic users to watch adverts before they'd even played a game!
And thanks, Koleax, for your discovery. As long as I don't forget to do it I'll never suffer Rocky again. :)
Hi all,
2 m8's told me that they have (fortunatly) no sound
while ads popping up outa hell.
We cross checked and this is how you can at least
remove the sound:
- turn on sound over HDMI
- turn on (manually) 5.1 over HMDI
- turn on secondary sound output (and use optical cable)
this way you'll never hear "Rockyyyyyyyyyyyy"
again. (until 2.20 maybe)
Little hint: when you open a chat window, this will cover the ad allmost completly.
hope they will go bankrupt for that "feature".
brummpahh
brumm - if that works - I owe you BIG TIME. Gonna test it tonight.
You don't lose 5.1 over optical, do you? As I REQUIRE 5.1 in order to survive using my old-school 2097 HUD. (no other way to "know" where the Vartizan-Ninjas are sneaking up for a kill with that HUD otherwise)
just played wipeout hd with these new adverts.
wow they are evasive and rubbish.:turd
when they play they stop the loading bar so the length on the advert is added to the loading time of the race.
i know SL or sony or whoever have got to earn a living but i paid for my game so its mine..not thiers
its almost like you get up in morning get into your car to goto work and the garage you bought the car from had sneaked around at night to paint adverts on the side of the car.
i will try these above methods to see if i can get rid of them but it looks a bit complicated to me..:)
Jasmin some car dealers out here actually do that! Take your car in for new brakes, you get a new "Dipshite VW" affixed to your boot. When i got my first GTi years ago the dealer installed an emblem to the hatch AFTER I bought it. When i demanded to know why thet defaced my property i was told they did it so i would revieve prompt service there later on. ( theyed know i was a loyal customer ) After making a scene in the showroom, they refunded my 500 for the misunderstanding. Ugh, 10 years later and it still pisses me off. ;-)
@IH8YOU: That's funny. And now it's off-topic. Story: You got your new bad-ass sportscar, roll cage, lightweight rims w/ new tries and suspension and maybe some additional show-off-stuff and when you get your car back from your dealer (who has to upgrade the cars firmware to go beyond 180 mph) you found that new license plate frame saying something like: xyz your dealer with heart ... WTF! I'm not friendly, I won't let anybody pass below 150mph and the left lane on the autobahn is mine - I'm a heartless petrol-head. That happened w/ 3 cars in a row and I'm still pissed, too. ;)
On topic:
@brummpahh: Did this PSN offline tweak work for you?
@IH8YOU
i feel for you.that must have been ealy annoying.:nod
@IH8YOU: i can't test 5.1 over SPDIF, since i only
have a digital headphone amp attached to it.
Another m8's turned on 5.1DD manually without
HDMI sound output and the trick still worked. Seems
that they cannot "upsample" their monotone
messages to 5.1. (they'd have to pay license fees 4
the encoder, lol ?)
It worked with my old 40GB model and the new slim type
of a m8 (german PS3's).
@constrictor:
i didn't try to setup the game new, since i'm afraid to
mess up or loose my ghosts or besttimes (~150 files
in my WO folder).
btw: i installed a solid state disk with 230MB/s read rate
some weeks ago and loading times were down to (!)
3..5 seconds. This now only applies to lucky moments
without ads. With ads it's up to 10 to 15secs +.
Grrrrrr.
So without reinstall the tweak does not work for you either? Same here! I didn't try a fresh install to date.
Same here Constrictor. With no reinstall it doesn´t work for me. (Or I´m too stupid and doing something wrong)
I skimmed through this thread, and I don't think I saw the following mentioned: there is a thread on the playstation boards on a way to block ads with your firewall which may or may not work for you:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...read.id=175388
All my times stayed after reinstall. I will check later about ghosts.
That router fix is a touch geeky for me ;) but he makes a fair point that those with low internet speed can really suffer while these ads are doing what they do. Some people need all the bandwidth they can get to play online. Advertisements add insult to injury for these people.
Gaming websites are picking up on the return of ads a bit more. Joystiq put out a news report about it today. Just Google "Wipeout HD Adverts". More websites ought to report this.
Anyway, I think that everyone who dislikes these adverts and wants them gone really ought to complain directly to their local or national Sony customer services. Does anyone know of a good, working email address for UK Playstation customer services?
Yeah, it's geeky, but it's probably the most surefire way to prevent them -- basically deny traffic from the ad servers. Also, the guy in that post claims that ad content was being downloaded *during* an online race. Haven't verified that claim yet, but if it's true, that's really bad for people with connections that aren't too awesome.
As to complaints, why complain to Sony when you could complain directly to the advertisers? If enough people told specific advertisers that these ads don't do anything for them (and that they maybe even create negative vibes), it'll probably be more effective than complaining to Sony.
All my ghosts are there. So, anyone who is not reinstalling the game for fear of losing their times or ghosts, fear not! You can always back them up, too.
I seriously doubt the ads are downloaded during races or any time after the game's intro sequence. If that were the case, I should have seen a bunch of ads by now.
I would like to try that router method, but I'm not so good with that sort of thing, I'll stick with the old sign-in later method for now. What concerns me about the guide is that adverts download almost 100mb of data in a session, which annoys me as I have a monthly bandwidth limit on my internet. Why should I waste my bandwidth on something I don't want to see? And run the possibility of losing the internet until the end of the month (I'm exaggerating a bit thought as I have a 40GB limit, but I'm still annoyed.)