Good thing sony is making their OS more forgiving on the ram... They have something like 90MB ocuppied by the OS, and they want something like 30MB. So it will give more space for those hard 2x60fps computations :P
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Good thing sony is making their OS more forgiving on the ram... They have something like 90MB ocuppied by the OS, and they want something like 30MB. So it will give more space for those hard 2x60fps computations :P
I stopped by a local Sony Style store and they were running a demo for their 3D TV's which included some WO Fury HD and some misc video clips etc.
I must say it was beyond words IMO, just and awesome enthralling experience especially for us wipeout fans.
Their 3D technology is much like that seen in recent 3D movies shown at the movies. Picture produces a 3D effect of "Depth" vs. "Pop-Out".
Interestingly enough, it was more detailed than just craft appearing separated from the track and creating a depth illusion, but the craft itself has its own levels of depth. I noticed that specifically with the Fury Qirex in which you could see a difference in depth from the ships cockpit and body.
Clip also included Mirage, Icaras, Harimau...some BR's and weapon usage...
Fortunately it was only a video clip and not a playable demo, since otherwise I probably would sit there all day play 3D WOHD, lol...
Great, can't wait to buy a new HDTV! (and sell the one I own).
I also heard that Super Stardust HD was mindblowing, I wonder if Wipeout HD
looks any better, as in more realistic.
ZONE in 3-D. Can't wait! :dizzy
Me neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProblemSolver
Now imagine that with a 3D beamer :)
There are rumours about new ps3 firmware with 3d video output support in June. Cant wait to try it out
do you have a 3D ready TV screen ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NightArh
They're still not available in France and it's getting really frustrating since I don't have a HD TV, and games are more and more difficult to look without it (still beautyfull but not has much, and tiny texts are almost impossible to ready u_u)
No new 3d Bravia TVs are still not aviable here... But one of them will be my next TV I want buy. But I know nothing about their health influence yet... I am feeling my eyes tired after 3d movie experience in the cinema
I think in Europe we will have in August the 3DTV, around 1.790€.
But recently i bought a FullHD TV so i will not buy any new TV in 10 years maybe.
Didn't they say that TVs with at least 120Hz will support 3D with 60 frames for each eye (at least for gaming)?
Yes, but the 120Hz must be in input and in output.
Nowadays they are only in output, (the tv processor "create" the missing images interpolating the real ones) but the input is still 50/60 Hz.
Some Plasma TV are already 3D Readyn but almost all LCD and LED TV aren't.
Apparently, The SAMSUNG UE46C8700 (LED - 117cm/46" - 200Hz - 3D Ready) will be available in April (in France) and will be sold around €2000 (already listed at €2008 shipping fees excluded on some sites).
The same model without 3D Ready, SAMSUNG UE46B8000 (still 200Hz) is listed at €1990.
Not bad !
I'm more encline to buy Samsung TV, but I will wait to see the differences between SONY and Samsung model.
EDIT : 3D TV is great, but what is the 3D-glasses prices ?
I read that Panasonic has already launched their 3D Ready TV in US with a Bundle (50" TV + pair of 3D glasses + 3D Ready BRD Player) at $2900, and it seems to be out of stock.
The Samsung UN46C7000WF is available now in the US for $2340, and the 55" model for $3000.
The glasses are $150 for battery operated ones and $200 for rechargeable adult-sized. I don't know what the battery life is like, but the rechargeable ones are not as bulky and more comfortable to wear anyway. This Samsung model just went on display yesterday at Best Buy, so I will plan a visit tomorrow.
I'm still unsure because that model is edge-lit and will exhibit uniformity problems with very dark images. Even the more expensive local-dimming led-backlit models will not look as good was what's in front of me right now (a Sony XEL-1). Though I would like something larger than 11".
What are the chances we are going to get another expansion in the future? I would really love that. The 3D thing sounds nice but There isn't a single TV that supports 120Hz+ in my house hold yet.
With sony liverpool having been disbanded, I don't think we will see another expansion soon (and maybe neither another wipeout on ps3)
Sony shows Wipeout HD/FURY as one of the games in it's current ad for 3D TV , and since Wipeout has already been demonstrated at previous E3's/CES shows in 3D,[ pretty much the only game Sony has shown 3D wise as far as I know] it could be assumed that some form of 3D version of Wipeout is already in the can.
How far advanced it was/is, pre and post the SL redundancies is what really matters.
How Sony intend to implement 3D game playback via the system 3D software update will be the determining factor.
I'm not expecting that much of a take up regardless of how good it is after reading many posts around the web.
It seems most are of the opinion that this 1st generation of consumer home 3D will be a flop,mainly due to the need to wear glasses,and secondly that if watching a sporting event in 3D, the viewer would most likely find themselves in the situation where they would be having to cycle through wearing/removing the glasses as the game stops and none 3D ad's come on screen,and also when one views something other than the screen in the room.
Well, Sony has also shown GT5 Prologue (and GT5 demos), MotorStorm 2, and Killzone 2 (at least those are the ones I saw videos and screenshots from.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwiggle
I don't think there will be a need to remove glasses just for that, because as i've seen on the Samsung UE46C7700, it can emulate 3D from a 2D source (even if it is less impressive than 3d sources).Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwiggle
But the test point out one important drawback, the decreased luminosity due to the glasses.
Also, the 3D technology without glasses is far from being ready (and probably will never be). User must be right in front of the screen (at the center) and at a pre-defined distance otherwise, right-left images will overlap. Even if the technology, one day, use motion tracking to adapt to where the user is, it will still prevent 2 user to look at the TV at the same time.
The decrease of luminosity is not really an issue as you can compensate for it.
I'd say, don't buy 3d TVs right now, wait for the games to be released first,
by then, prices will go down and most of the quirks and irks will have been fixed.
Of course I won't buy it until it is useful (probably in june when the new firmware will be available).
from the tests I've read, luminosity IS a problem. Even if you try to compensate for it, by tuning the settings of the TV, you can't achieve the same luminosity with glasses put on. You have to look a the TV in a dark environment to really compensate for it.
Some tests have also pointed out that some glasses aren't perfectly synchrinized with the screen leaving an afterimage.
It's official : http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1081647p1.html
Here's a snippet from the article :
Here is the list of games getting 3D updates so far, according to the Qore video:
Gran Turismo 5
Killzone 2
LittleBigPlanet
WipEout Fury
Super Stardust HD
Invincible Tiger: The Legend of Han
****ing yes! All good ones ^_^
not bad but ... when will GT5 be released ? >_<
Fixed. Stupid IGN, leaving out the 'HD'. That's almost as bad as rating Prince of Persia 9.4/10. It's just one thing after another with that site.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by IGN
Has everyone noted the update in that article? I'm not sure I follow entirely but it seems to indicate that this is no official list, but that people have inferred this as a list from demo footage included in a video somewhere. Does that sound right?
I think your correct about where they are getting their info from.
It seems that it's come from the same Sony 3D TV promo video, showing which games [ever so brief snippets] that will supposedly get the 3D treatment .
The video is viewable in one of the 2 links in this post I made earlier in the other 3D thread.
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/sho...1&postcount=23
Monty Mole over from NeoGAF got a chance to play WipEout HD in 3-D.
Don't expect too much.
[Ref]Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoGAF:Monty Mole
It makes no sense releasing the game at 30fps, I'm still convinced it will be 60fps
when released. Maybe he played WOHD with a quick and dirty 3d patch,
and maybe in 1080p even!
Personally, I think that the 3-D stuff is pretty cool, but showing WipEout HD in
30fps harms the game quite a lot. But we can hope for a patch (can we?) that
will enable 60fps in 3-D at a given resolution with some decrease in the amount
of detail. That should be possible. The current presentation is just a quick 'n
dirty solution to actually show the effect.
The base should always be 60fps, at least! They should (:nod) downgrade
the amount of detail and effects until the game can run in 1080p at 120fps
(2x60fps in 3-D). An in-game switch between a low and high detail version
for 3-D could be an option. I mean, there are people out there that can't
tell difference between 30fps and 60fps. xD
They have modified the software for the new TV's quite a bit since CES 2010 to include user modification of the actual 3D effect , as not all people see it the same.
Since Samsung & Sony source their screens from the same factory I would suspect a similar end product.
See link for review of the new Samsung.
http://www.avguide.com/review/samsun...8?src=Playback
i think 3d would make cornering much more easy.
how much are these 3d tv's anyway.
About 10-15% more than your premium range LCD screens, depends how many pairs of glasses are supplied with the TV, if any, some have them, others you buy separately.
It also depends if the TV has the software that converts standard 2D into 3D on the fly, those are the sets that are the most expensive atm.
With the free PS3 bundle of the 3DHDTV's, but comes with a heap of other games.
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/04/...-up-confirmed/
It was nice when I played it in 3D but it was a long time ago, probably 12months+
It would have been cool to have the opportunity to do something special / new for a 3D wipeout but it wasnt to be, having not seen it since last summer I've no idea how its progressed technically but I have faith it will be enjoyed by fans and more than a novelty, I just wish we could have done a proper wipeout 3d, for me that was the only thing left to really explore with wipeout, handheld had been done (and I think done well) and then we'd brought it back to the big screen, where if I'm honest, it truly belongs.
who knows what will come in the future, be interesting to see the up date later in the summer though
What I did not expect regarding 3D was the way the experience broke down whenever it involved fast moving objects in the foreground. If a ball comes hurtling past you on an arc, its motion will appear smoother the deeper it is in the field of vision, as its position on the image will remain relatively the same between frames. However, as it moves the closer, the differences between frames will be that much more dramatic, where the ball is in one part of the image on one frame and then suddenly in a different part on the very next.
In 2D this isn't much of a problem, but the spatial mind tends to care a lot about fast moving objects that are close to the face, it being critical for survival. I can't imagine the Wipeout 3D experience being very immersive in Eliminator or Detonator and to some extent single race. TT, SL, and Zone will probably be the most immersive.
I just don't understand why we have to wait all the way until the summer.
I got an email from Sony Aus last week asking if I wanted to make a booking for next week a hands on pre-launch demonstration of the new 3D stuff.
The only place in Australia where they are setting this up is at the big Sydney city Sony centre , which luckily is within walking distance from my place.
I wasn't going to bother, then I realized that if I don't take the opportunity now,then the chances of getting a decent demo in July when the general public will have access to them is going to be pretty slim.
I'll do it early next week and let you know what they are like,plus some definite prices.
Too bad i'll never enjoy 3D. I have an eye condition that also prevents me from using these red and blue colorfilter glasses.
Sad thing is i realised this after i bought a ticket to Avatar. :frown:
I tough anagraphic 3-D (with different colors on each glass) didn't exist anymore ? where in the world are you living to see Avatar that way ??
Stereoscopic 3-D (mostly the "passive" way in theater unlike the "active" one on TV) is the standard now and should not prevent people who are suffering from daltonism to enjoy 3-D (unless you're suffering from something else).
I was just talking to somebody at the Aus PS forum who I just found out happens to work at the Sony store where I'm booked in for a demo of the 3D TV's tomorrow.
He said that Wipeout HD 3D is the only playable demo they have atm, and that it is also playable on a standard ,none 3D TV.
It just shows one of the two 3D screens [ either the left or right ] when set up that way.
I'm not sure if Wipeout HD will be a separate download or a patch to the existing HD, they just arrived at work and a pre loaded PS3 was there for the demos, So ??? on that.
He said it's incredibly good fun and really takes it to another level.....guess I'll see tomorrow.
From what I've been lead to believe, there is going to be a free playable demo of 1 HD track in 3D, made available from PStore to download.
I guess if you downloaded it and took your PS3 to a store to hook up to a 3D TV you could check how things are first hand.
I somehow doubt that you would get a demo any other way, unless at a Sony centre.
I think most 3D store displays will be of the 3D demo loop type, at least at first.
I didnt see avatar with the blue-red glasses, it was an example to show my eyes can't work together like that which is also required to see the modern 3D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sch@dows
I might have a way getting a display model PS3 with the WOHD 3D Demo in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwiggle
Going to make a few phone calls tomorrow, if you know what i mean BW ;)