Point made; 23 hours is crap compared to MGS1's play time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance
I'll shut up now....
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Point made; 23 hours is crap compared to MGS1's play time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance
I'll shut up now....
MGS4 is no HALO or COD. It tells a story much more complex, there is simply no way imo to do that with gameplay only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance
Playtime can be made of lots of things. In MGS1 there is lots of backtracking.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdhay
But apart from that i'm quite sure that MGS4 is much longer than MGS1. And it can be replayed many more times.
If you skip all the cutscenes in MGS4, the game is not much longer than 5 or 6 hours if you hurry. You can stretch it to 10 or so if you want.
10 hours full of genius for me, more than enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubix42
Seriously, you can't talk MGS with me, for my tastes there's nothing better around :)
I know, your always playing the bloody game LOL. But yes MGS4 was brilliant for me as well. Yes overkill with the movies. But very well done none the less :)
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Could we get back to the petition against respawning, please?
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Putting in my five cents:
IMHO, there should be no respawning. If you explode, you switch to observer mode. A decent observer mode with options such as switching between the views and people you are observing. Good example of decent observer mode is Quake series. I'd say a respawn in a Wipeout game would be a bit against Wipeout spirit.
I'd say that on the whole re-spawning is a good thing for online multiplayer. In the time it takes for the ship to explode better pilots will be too far away for the eliminated pilot to pose a threat. For beginner races it will keep the new pilots wanting to play online, I know if I was a beginner and kept getting eliminated I would probably get annoyed and be reluctant to play online.
For pro pilot races it shouldn't really be there. Pro pilots can still catch up with each other and respawning might mess up the race sometimes if each player is able to constantly eliminate each other.
Respawning is great for the new pilots that are still getting to know the game but in competitive play I'd rather see an observer mode, like what Perforu said.
Beginners... online... oh that sounds like a good combination. Unless they play venom in which case getting eliminated should be too much of an issue, unless the player in question is appalling.
As for the good players getting away I see a few people think this, you realize there are big fights upfront right and a 4 second lead can quickly turn into no lead?
Everyone was a beginner once
Once respawned, you only have roughly 30% of total shield. Saw it in a video. Barrel roll once and you're about to explode again. :)
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Yep, and when I buy a new game and am I beginner myself the last thing I would do is jump straight online to receive a good slaughtering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Berry
However, there are seemingly many unlike yourself who are desperate to achieve dead sheepitude.
I'm sure that many people that will buy HD are going to be new to the series and will want to go online. Every online game you go on there is always a new person ready to be beaten and learn from the experience. Not everyone is going to get get their skill up before they brave the online modes. Respawning sort of keeps people wanting to play more and makes them less frustrated.
Heh, sounds like what I'll end up doing once I finally get to play Paradise live! ;) HD on the other hand...I think both of us will end up going straight into online once the game has been freshly burned onto the HDD. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapier Racer
Yeah but if you by chance meet any of the dev team online tomorrow evening you might get a little bit of a kicking.. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Rapier Racer
Oohh that sounds like a challenge! :P
A kicking you say... we'll see :g This game is 80% Pure, and Pure is my baby :banzai
pssst colin, i think a dev team Vs wipeoutzone challenge needs setting up :)
Count your blessings Arnaud isn't a game tester ;)
Hey guys, the best occasion to avenge for the long, long, long and painfull waiting on HD :g:banzaiQuote:
Originally Posted by Colin Berry
Colin, you're saying some of the devs are gonna be online tomorrow?
It's AWN, baby! :twisted
Nothing official but I suspect a few of us will be online later in the evening to check things out and play the odd game :D
Cool, can't wait to get online tonight! Find how good the devs are, I hope you put up a good fight :P
Oh man, that mens I will definately have to come online now then lol. I hope when your last because of respawn, we don't get a quake or anything like that for some time. That will tick a lot of peeps off!!!
I have to say I find it hilarious to read that respawning is supposed to be good for newbies. Online is NOT a good mode for beginners unless they're racing against equally new players. Single player mode to learn the game, Vector class to learn the game...oh wait, it's gone now isn't it?:lol
Anyone remember playing Pulse when you were stuck racing noobs? They often seemed so frustrated they'd disconnect, and then there were the ones who actually turned around and tried racing backwards to ruin the other players' races. This happened when eliminations were still eliminations. With a respawn, ticked off people can keep respawning and screwing up the real race. Oh joy. Oh well. *Oh WipeoutZone members, thank goodness for you, for the races we will have, will be good races too-oo...*:P
@Colin: hope I didn't sound rude in my previous post, I was under the misconception that you thought everyone was just terrified of anything new (not the case...).
But surely noobs acting like idiots is a problem with any online game? In fact, experienced players spitting their dummies out is equally as bad.
Yep, that's right.
*looks for dummy...finds a mirror...cha-ching!*
I'm throwing my hat in the ring with regards to having an option to disable respawns. I had a tournament robbed from me tonight due to some lap-down, respawned idiot ramming me off of that great big over-rated, open-sided pile of **** in the sky.
Being rammed off of the (many, many, many) open sided sections in Pulse was the reason I quit playing that game online.
Having idiots respan and allowing them to affect the outcome of the race when they're a lap down is just going to ruin the experience for everyone that's not a newbie. Or an idiot.
Agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubix42
Worse in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Egg
I think you are exaggerating the downside of no respawns. Im talking about the waiting time. A race is over pretty quickly so having to wait is not a problem i.m.o.
The first time I was killed and respawned I thought I was just going to be able to have som fun as a ghost until the next race started. But some corners later I realized I was still in the race hehe. That could be a solution for the waiting "problem".
I think respawns should be turned off by default, but also having the option to turn it on would be best.
If this cant be achieved, please have a bigger penalty for being eliminated. 30% energy is ok, but respawn time should be longer. Or wait, that is even if you get the option to turn it off completely. ;)
I'll have to admit that a race with 8 good pilots and weapons on can be so unforgivingly brutal, that when it kills you on the first lap you are quite thankful for getting respawned :paperbag I didn't say that. No, no, someone stole my account and typed it using my name...
I know what you mean mate. I dropped from first in Anulpha Pass to last after being killed. Sometimes it pays to hang behind a little :)
But when you are playing against really good pilots and you die, you have basically lost. Might as well be dead lol.
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Originally Posted by eLhabib
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actually I cant add anything to this other than what I have already said, the team are taking note of such things and fingers crossed for future updates
yeah I knew you'd jump on this as soon as I (ahem, I mean someone else) typed it... ;)
To the contrary of eLhabib, I do not modify my original opinion. I got killed once or twice, but I found it incredibly cheap to be able to overcome the other guys and finish second still (The original position I was in when I got killed, or rather, killed myself). This was when I started playing Phantom online, and didn't know the reverse tracks (And the guy hosted practically only reverses). Now I know them, and don't get killed: it's that simple.
Respawn, if you don't care about the position you will be in, makes you care less for your driving and therefore prevents you from getting any better. Instead, you say: 'Oh, I'll just respawn in five seconds'. If you actually died and were completely eliminated, you'd think: 'I've got to get better on that track so I don't die'. I'm still workin with that old philosophy, even though it is now obsolete, because it makes me that much better at the game, that philosophy pushes you to surpass yourself more than the other one.
Well, when I die in a race it's due to heavy weapons fire, not hitting walls. Especially in the first lap of a race, where the pack is close together, it can easily happen that you get hit by a quake, rockets, missiles, even plasma, all within 15 seconds. Even more so when you are in the front of the pack. There's really no way to avoid that, you can't even absorb enough to avoid elimination. In this situation, the respawn comes in handy.
Maybe it would be smart to enable a respawn only for the first lap, seeing as after that, the pack is more spread out and the weapons fire is not that intense.
By the way, I have discovered the joy of Avalon racing for myself, it really is the supreme way of racing. Gets rid of the BR oversaturation as well.
I was pretty open to this at first, now I'm just not sure.
I wish the respawn had a skill decider, like you can respawn if it was from weapons fire, but if you just got lapped and wipeout from your own lack of skill, see ya next race;)
I am against respawning. Two reasons:
1) It allows an incompetent but petty racer to muck up the game.
2) Being eliminated from the race online is, as Darkdrium points out [me too, +1 ], an incentive to get better.
I will leave this message here for a short time, but I am deleting the potential flame-war-inducing posts made by some users immediately.
I'll be blunt about this: Moderation should be left to the moderators. Discussion of post quality and suitability is itself offtopic and should be carried out via PMs to the admin and the mods. And I don't want to see a war start over insulting disparagement of the posts of other users.