Custom controls and gameplay options for 2048?

If they are so insistent against a racebox, then do this for SP AND MP

Where the speed lap grid is, when you select one of the boxes, it asks you to select

1) speed lap
2) single race
3) time trial
4) zone (speed class wouldn't matter, just track)
5) combat

You could do this easily for single and multiplayer. Options would be nice on each of these selections after, but at this point, standard racing on these on each mode would be good.

Obviously, RACEBOX is far superior to this, but at least this would allow you to race what you want in both single and multi player.

Options for these modes for laps, weapons, assists would make in a replayable game for wipeout enthusiasts ( us). Things like create tournaments off the box grid would also be welcome.

It's a no-buy for me until they patch custom controls in, if at all.

I have zero tolerance for this kind of laziness in game production and I'd be hard pushed to make an exception just because it's WipEout.

Because of the way I like to steer, I have to use the single brake right now, it's awful, but better than the standard controls for me. It is slower to use this though because of the way you need to brake and sideshift

I am bumping this thread from page two in case SL decides to check it out. This is the most important thread for 2048 at the moment since these are items that absolutely need to be in the game. I have edited it, and sent to Sony. I hope it gets to the right place. Here is the edit now. There are no stars in the letter, when I copied and pasted, it added them here


Hello, my name is Al Sartwell. *I have been a wipeout fan since the beginning. *I have sent in many suggestions over the years, and many have been implemented into the games. *I even got my name in the WO3 credits for sending in suggestions and bug fixes. *A few months Ago I sent in a list of suggestions/options that have been very important to the wipeout franchise, mainly regarding full custom controls, AND gameplay options/game choices. *It appears that these suggestions were completely ignored, and the best part of wipeout has been removed for campaign mode in online and offline removing ALL ability to play the game as our Wipeout community loves. *These campaigns are fine, but they should not replace what has been in every wipeout game from the beginning, game choices and options. *We are extremely upset about this situation, especially since it is a great playing game. *Below is a detailed description as to why we need custom controls, and racebox like options ( Or a actual racebox in single player, online or adhoc mode). *The way it is now is a completely unacceptable way to play the game, and there was NO reason to remove racebox from the equation. *The campaign should be for unlocking, and there should be a racebox to actually play what you want to play, and how
You would like to play it. *I sincerely hope you implement our requests,

Thank you, * Al



Below, *I have listed technical and logical reasons as to why WE need custom controls and advanced options for single and multiplayer racing. It is difficult to get the controls down, and not having the option to change them is quite frustrating, especially if you knew if you had your configuration, it would be a much better experience. Also added in, is gameplay options, that is, ALL of the options for choosing races in single or multi player are gone, and replaced by*campaign events to gain trophies, and perhaps new ships, ect. There are no racing choices such as tt, or single race are even choices for racing, not to mention all the options that come with the track choices (speed, weapons, ect).*

The game is an amazing game, it just needs control options and classic gameplay modes that are easy to choose to make experience far far better.



1) RACER CONTROL OPTION:

This option is set up like quantum redshift, with one air brake, and it also adds a brake. The main issue with this setup, is that when the brake/steer bug was fixed, side shifting changed. if you turn the same way you are side shifting (which you have to in this mode for it to work), the entire ship turns (not so in HD). I am not saying to change it back, but only that this is not an option for someone trying to get records in the game, or trying to keep up with elite players. With only one brake, this is kinda for new people to the game, but can never be as fast as being able to side shift left and right with the tap of a button (without turning the dpad/analog stick at the same time). if you don't hit the pad, the ships remains facing straight down the track. So while this option is good for beginners, it is not for anyone who has played any previous wipeout game. Also, if someone has large fingers for the vita, they wll constantly be hitting lookback/spin on the analog stick every time they try to fire a weapon. I do this, and my fingers are thin. Given the option to put functions on the back pad, or on the two screen areas, would allow you to take the right analog stick out of the equation, like having an R2 and an L2. Even custom controls within the "racer option" settings (using the same button options), you could put a less intrusive function on the analog stick.

2) TOUCH AND TILT:

It is incredibly difficult to hold the back of the vita down for thrust, especially when you are tilting it back and forth, and while you do have a thrust button (X), it would be good to be able to use the back for say lookback/spin, that way you would not hit it by accident (analog right stick). While holding the gas (X) down, and trying to hit absorb or fire buttons, it is incredibly difficult not to also hit this right stick (spin around or look back), and have it mess up your race. IF you decide to use the touch screen for absorb/fire, then you CANNOT PITCH or use the THRUST button at the same time, and are stuck with the rear thrust panel (discussed earlier). OF NOTE is the TILT steering for barrel rolls. This is impossible to do on small jumps. IN WIPEOUT HD, the dpad was still active, allowing for you to use the dpad for barrel rolls, even while steering with tilt sensitivity. I understand that you may turn left or right by accident while trying to pitch, but it is better than not being able to barrel roll at all. it could be possible in the setting to have the analog stick only control pitch, and the dpad to do barrel rolls, but I think just keeping the dpad and the sticks fully active to allow better barrel roll functionality.

3) WIPEOUT CONTROL CONFIGURATION:*

Now to the main control configuration. Holding thrust down, and trying to hit absorb and fire results in a lot of accidentally*hitting the right analog stick (lookback/spin). This is incredibly annoying, and is constantly messing up races, and I'm sure even more for a new player, or a larger handed person. A custom option would either allow a less intrusive button function to be placed on the analog stick, OR if the other areas (touch panels) would be included in the custom options, you could just move that look back/spin function to the back pad of the vita. I do not know the technical difficulties of changing these features, but it would seem to me that allowing a custom configuration of just this "wipeout control configuration" would be the easiest change. add a line under the vita picture with the config buttons that says "CUSTOM". clicking on it would bring you to a pulse/hd type screen where you can adjust the button presses, then save.

I know that some players like the gas on the R trigger, that way you don't have to move your finger away from the thrust button at all. As it is now, you have to choose the racer configuration to do this, and the option is a control that is not as fast as noted earlier. A custom config of at least the Wipeout configuration is what our community is asking for. IF the*
other configs could be allowed to be custom, that would be fantastic as well.*

*OF NOTE, THE LAST THREE WIPEOUT GAMES HAD CUSTOM CONFIGURATION, why take it out? It makes no sense


SELECTING GAMES IN SINGLE PLAYER AND MULTI PLAYER

Wipeout has always had great choices when it comes to choosing style of races, and choosing options for those races, in both multi player(ONLINE and ADHOC) and single player modes. Wipeout HD was excellent online with all the options it gave you in all the modes you could choose. So it was a very unwelcome suprise to our community, that RACEBOX was removed from the game, AND the options for multiplayer are gone. We noticed that you needed to vote on a track (campaign mode), and*there are no options for just choosing a race, speed, and options, and just being able to race online. This is the sort of racing WE as a community like the most, and it has been taken out of the game completely. While we welcome a campaign mode in both single and multi player, we do not like that this is the only way to play the game. WE play the game because we like racing eachother, going for times, or just trying to improve. Our main goals are not to hit steve with a missile, and come in third place or higher. Like we said, we welcome this mode, and we know alot of work was put into it, but it appears it is at the expense of the core gameplay we know and love. It should sit beside that core gameplay, not replace it. We have members who have played the game and beaten the three seasons, and only speed lap is unlocked for practicing, nothing else. There are no events that*open up time trial, single race, zone, ect, and there has been no response from STUDIO LIVERPOOL regarding the situation, or explaining anything. Questions have been asked directly on facebook, twitter, but nothing, and some devs visit this site (the best wipeout site by far (10 years old), but do not answer any of the concerns related to the game. Ad hoc was*tested, but only one track showed up, and changing tracks, speed classes, ect could not be done by the person creating the game. This seems like an unnessessary hindrance when the setup for this was perfect in pure/pulse and HD. *Online was perfect in HD, but at this time, all of the great options in this game are now taken out. At this point it seems that we will get none of the great options of the last three games in single or multi player. The players that have played the game from Wipeoutzone (some love the old games, some love the newer ones), all love the gameplay in THIS VERSION ( That is saying alot if have ever seen the heated discussions regarding what Wipeout version is the best. We dont want the game to be far less enjoyable because we cannot race each other in the race and speed we want, and instead have to go through a series of trophy quests to get the race we like.

WHY ARE WE ASKING FOR THIS NOW INSTEAD OF WAITING TO SEE THE FINAL ENDING TO THE GAME TO SEE WHAT IS*
THERE?:

Because we know how Some of the previous wipeout games have treated this game in the past. After the first few updates in HD, and tweaks needed to be done, they were never able to take care of them, because no more work could be done on the project because the next game needed to be worked on. The leader boards are a mess in HD, the brake/reverse steer bug is still in it, and probably will never be fixed because the team in on new things now. Well, that new thing now is 2048, a better game, physics wise, and handling. The bugs have been taken care of from HD, the game is hard, and fun. However, all the replay value from the missing racebox (or similar options (all options from hd)) are gone, and in are new challenges after the online campaign is done for trophies. This is fine to have this but, Once again, the reason we play is to go for records, play online vs eachother, and try to perfect lines, that quite likely can never really be perfected, and that is the beauty, and long term appeal of wipeout, that you can never get to that perfect, perfect race, and that is why we come back to it. We, as wipeout fanatics*do not come back to it to collect trophies, that is an extra. We come back to it because damn it, I can knock 3 tenths more off chenghou reverse if I put my mind to it, or I know I can get number one on a speed lap, or I want to race against one of my friends that wiped the floor with me last time on Sebenco. Im going to play him 20 straight times on 20 lap races, and I better win one of them. As you can see, that are lots of reasons to come back and play, but the options of the previous three games needs to be there to do so. As it is now, it appears that a great game has been brought down to earth because of the missing nessessities that every wipeout game needs.

So what we are asking for is

1) Custom controls
2) racebox (or equivalent of everything from HD) Racebox is easiest
3) Racebox mode in Multiplayer(adhoc and online), with all options from HD (or exact equivalent of options)
4) *TURBO for time trials, these have always been in, please put them back, it makes the game far more fun finding that nice turbo spot. It also increases the speed even more
5) The modes preferred for online and single player are
A) Speed Lap
B) Single RAce
C) Time Trial (with 1 turbo per lap) -- this mode will keep the gameplay smoother, and not everyone likes only weapons. Weapons off is not the same, because there is no turbo
D) Eliminator, or equivalent
E) Zone mode

Note: *turbo for speed laps and time trials are preferrable, and have always been in EVERY wipeout game, but these are the least necessity.



In closing, our Wipeout community has been supporting the franchise since it's beginning. We have come to expect great games (delivered for sure), but we also sincerely request that you allow us to play the game with the controls that we love to use, and the game modes we have come to love over all the years.

Hello Al, I'm sure the devs have already read your (and our) request.

https://twitter.com/#!/DrStuLovegrov...03808275410946

They won't ignore them, because they want to make some DLC for WipEout 2048.
And they know if we can't play the game how we want (free play, racebox offline and online), the customers will just finish the offline campaign, will try to finish the online campaign if they meet enough people, and after, they will play other games.

Why will a customer pay for a DLC if he can't play it in its own way ?

Yeah, hope it's not too late though if they decide to add these things. I am not optimistic that it will happen, but am still hoping we can get a racebox very soon, and not after having to beat a whole bunch of events. My guess is we are only getting new events at this point and there is no plan whatsoever to add a good racebox online/adhoc/ offline feature with all the options of previous games we love.

Campaign should be about unlocking ships/tracks, ect

Racebox is about enjoying the game how you like it

Mission "restore hope"

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Yeah, I read that, not sure what that means, I hope he is telling us yes, without saying it, but it could also be an answer just to hold off any more questions regarding the situation. I'm not sure what the big deal would be if they were adding race box or custom controls, features that should already be in there. The surprise updates should be stuff like tracks, ships, ect, not standard wipeout stuff.

If they said they were adding these, my complaints would be gone ( unless racebox was neutered of course :) )

Hey, temet, could you ask him about adhoc mode, maybe this question. "when adhoc is played, you cannot even choose a track or a speed. Is this mode not finished, or are we not going to be allowed to choose track and speed in this mode and be forced to play whatever the game chooses ?"

This should be the question because it is right to the point without being rude.

They can't speak before the 22nd February, maybe they fear that the game will be described "unfinished". Look about Ridge Racer Vita, it severely got down by critics before his released.

Sorry Al, I can't... I don't have twitter or facebook... I kinda hate social network things...
22 is close... let's hope a wave of disapointment will appear to motivate SL to bring us racebox.

They don't answer a damn thing on Facebook anyway. Stuart love grove on twitter answers questions, or at least replies. I sent an email, but it had nothing to do with adhoc.

I go to say this though, if this is what we are going to get for adhoc, it is crap. I suspect at least this one part was unfinished, but probably nothing else.

They definitely read this forum. I was checking out Twitter the other day when the forum was down and I saw one of the Liverpool people give a shout to Rob about the attack.
I'm sure that at least internally this request has gained traction, even if they are not actively working on it at the moment. It's been bumped for so long and has many people agreeing after all. Once Sony tells them to get back to work, these features might come up in an update.
At least I hope so. For God's sake do it.

I'm still so sad and disappointed about the lack of custom controls. I guess it saved me $300, but getting a PSP at launch and Wipeout Pure was a great experience, and it would have been nice to repeat it seven years later.

It's not too late, you can contact them on facebook, twitter or youtube. If most of players ask for these features, the devs should make them.

Its nice to see and intelligent and engaging thread with genuine concerns listed in such details, good read, not that I would expect anything else either here tbh ;)

I picked up my copy on release day and have to say absolutely love it! It truely is a beautiful game. I would urge anyone with a joy for Wipeout to pick it up and not to hold off for whatever personal reason they have.

I'm sure the people that matter do silently read such posts and take concerns on board, I have no doubt that custom controls will be introduced given time. Without it the game is totally lost. Everyone has their own unique button layout preferences and without the option to customise the game will suffer for it. I would really like to see all 3 control methods available for complete customization.

I have yet to try ad-hoc, any of the AR features or voice control.

I also take on board previous comments re TT and Racebox etc and would like these implemented over time which I'm sure they will be.

I was unable to complete HD and Fury on Elite so do doubt I will also struggle here to finish some of the harder challenges yet it will never take away from such a fantastic release!

Love it, love the feel of it, 2048 is magic.

Sorry, it's in French : http://www.psvitagen.fr/wipeout-2048...lite-2001.html
It's from UK Playstation Magazine... please some English people, go and get it !!!
Basically, we should have custom control and even "extensions for multiplayer". Well, multiplayer cannot be worst right? So it's good new :)

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Originally Posted by Karl Jones

We’re looking into other things to enhance the toolset of the game. So we’re looking on to custom controls, potentially some kind of multiplayer extension […] Another way to look at it is that patches, updates, DLC and packs it a way to respond to feedback. If people are saying that they want this and that we can respond to it.

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There you go ;)

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"potentially some kind of multiplayer extension"

This is not definite, and mentions no racebox, adhoc, OR single player time trials or single races. I feel we are going to get a 1/10 version of what is really needed. We need to pursuade that we need a full racebox feature for single player, adhoc, and online. Otherwise it will only be a portion of what is actually needed in terms of gameplay options.

This stuff has NEVER been left out of a wipeout game on release, so at this point there should be no assumption that " they will fix it, don't worry". This sort of tactic will get us nothing we need. The only thing that appears to be likely is custom controls, which is very good. This should have been in from the beginning, but I'm happy with this if it's soon.

It's PR. No promises = they are safe from eventual flak.

http://i.imgur.com/Xflhg.png?8758

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There you go ;)

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Now I've gotten my hopes up.

May have been mentioned but using the right analog stick to control thrust and/or directional air brakes would be awesome. I've noticed that using the left analog stick to steer is the best for making smooth turns so this would balance the grip out, leaving the shoulder buttons for pickup and fire.

First post btw, hi all :)

The most important thing for me with this game was investing in the Trigger Grip by PDP. Best $18 I've ever spent. I just can't play 2048 (or ANY game that makes use of the shoulder buttons) comfortably without it. My hands are less cramped with it too, which results in less numbness. Works and feels great. I simply feel like I'm holding an over-sized Dual Shock controller. Just awesome. Combining it with the "Wipeout" controls configuration is a marriage made in heaven. Pretty much mimics the feel of playing WOHD on PS3. Can't recommend it enough and consider it a must-have for all zoners. Here's a link to it for anyone who hasn't seen it:

PS Vita Trigger Grip by PDP

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Made-PS-VITA...#ht_4455wt_860

Here is the one I use. Very good as well

can you load the battery while playing with that grip?

@ JABBERJAW: Cool, and nice price, but that's not quite the same thing. While it certainly helps with ergonomics, it doesn't have triggers that operate the shoulder buttons, which is a major selling point of the one that I use. I gotta have the triggers.

@ anderkovver: Not sure what you mean...the Vita doesn't have a removable battery. Unless I've misunderstood you're question...

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can you load the battery while playing with that grip?

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from the picture you are able to recharge the battery with that grip, you can see the USB connector

Edit: I should note that i was talking about the PS Vita Trigger Grip by PDP

No you cant charge while playing, which sucked, so I opened it up, and changed the locking mechanism to a hole for the charger to fit, then sealed the lock part to stay ( you can still get the vita out without damaging it. I had both of these holders for the ps and liked the one I showed better, I could reach the buttons easier. Both were good though, and if want to charge while playing the round handled one is for you. Both are far better than just holding the system. The system should actually been designed with handle grips right on it, would have gotten some great press I think

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The system should actually been designed with handle grips right on it, would have gotten some great press I think

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Yeah, but that would not look really cool when fit girls put the ps vita in their back pockets of their jeans during the vita ads. Would be better though.

I am bumping this thread as for a reminder. We need more people on this issue, or we are going to get nada. I have a bad feeling right now that nothing is coming except custom controls. There STILL has been zero response on this issue. Maybe they are waiting until there are no complaints anymore, so they can say, " there aren't that many complaints". Once again there would be no reason not to answer this, it could potentially stop people from getting ticked off with the lack of features. I dont mind waiting for 1 or 2 months if I knew a full fledged racebox was coming for single player, adhoc and online. I just got the feeling that the options will be left out of 2 of these modes. For example, online gets fixed and you can choose as before, BUT single player is kept as is, and adhoc isn't even changed at all. Then it turns out they cannot work on the game anymore, gotta go to a new one. We have to drill this in to fix this right the first time, and it needs to be more than three people that continue to bring up this topic.

Honestly Al, I contacted 2 of the main French websites (jeuxvideos.com and psvitagen.fr (dedicated vita this one)) to explain the problem and ask for a news on the topic, but I didn't even had an answer...
Kaori sent an email to them again because he lost his online campaign progress for the 3rd time, and he took the opportunity to remind some lacks in the game.

EDIT :
I've added that on Youtube's channel :

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Hello, I'm a bit disappointed on the fact that Sony Liverpool is totally ignoring the requests coming from the long term Fans or new comers, mainly a racebox-like feature (offline and online).

Please communicate to let us know if we can hope for a good online mode, that could be used for tournaments or if we must go and buy some lubricant and regret our acquisition for our lifetime.

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Lol! Awesome job kaori, very funny and true

Made a contibution. Wrote them (in a gentle way) about racebox necessity. But I guess they've been bothered enough with that, so any more messages and they'll explode. )

I've emailed Studio Liverpool too, and mentioned it on a couple of their facebook threads, but like everybody else have heard nothing back. It's encouraging that many of the reviews online criticise the lack of features and customisable controls.

At the moment I think SL have a lot on their hands, just trying to get the game they released working as it should do, without trying to do a complete overhaul of online, plus add racebox, and customisable controls.

I fully agree that the game is incomplete as it stands, but I think a little patience is needed on this one. SL have made it clear that it was never a "one-shot release", and that the game will expand with time.

Yeah, but their expansion options never included racebox or custom controls.

@ leungbok, there is no speed lap head to head, that is what they are calling the current model with the ghost options :(

Yes Jabberjaw, very disappointing !
as a reminder of what is missing on the game :

absolutely necessary :

- racebox or racebox-like online & offline (also adhoc) with ability to choose the type of event (single race, tournament, combat), the speed class (from C to A+ for all modes), and some customisable options (weapon off/on, BRs on/off, lobby public/friends or invited only).
- Complete customisable controls.
- Time trial available offline (maybe the same way as speed laps are included in the map) with, why not, settings fitting with the campaign : C class = 2 laps, B class = 3 laps, A class = 5 laps, A+ class = 10 laps.
- leaderboards for timetrials and online races to make it entertaining in the long term

Highly anticipated :

- New tracks and ships.
- New modes (the "zombie" like mode, why not ;))
- new campaign (2051 as an example :p)
- augmented reality (as announced)
- Wipeout Hd/fury tracks and ships for cross play
- rewards to unlock (artworks or ship's skins as an example)
- livery editor
- possibility to change the voice's commentary to what will hit the player rather than what he just picked up.


"would makes the game totally awesome but less crucial" :

- time trials and speed laps online (ala pure)
- one turbo per lap available for time trial and speed lap modes.
- kick option (to fix the "wrecks ships" when some players are in a lobby and don't even race. Very annoying, mostly since the ship is "solid" at the very start of the race)
- add the current speed of the ship on the hud in mph or km.
- replay mode
- Several hud's choice.
- track editor (:p)

feel free to add stuff ^_^

You got my wants almost exact. As we go maybe we can add to your list.

1) ADHOC racebox, EXACTLY the same as online. If this is not specifically stated to them, it will not be touched

2). Transparent ships for first 5 seconds of the race, as well as to any ships that don't move

3). Single race offline as well with all the leader board stuff you said

No mention of Zone in your post leung, I guess it just slipped your mind. I think an easy way to present Racebox would be to keep the big arrow shape they have, but add another line, so it would go C, B, A, A+, Zone. Then if you select a speed category, it presents you with 3 options: TT, SL, Tournament.

Something Jan mentioned ages ago is online Zone, as opposed to Zone Battle. This would be awesome, although I guess it would have to be a 1vs1 thing. Would still rule though :)

Ah ah, these features as a DLC would be more heavy (speaking in MB) than the original game! :g

Well personally I'd pay another £15 if they implemented them all.