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:D Shall we roll? I'll host ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnErare
Yes please!
If it's green ;)
Hehehe no thanks, not right now, probably later today when I've taken some Irn-Bru :)
Green Green lol \o/
^ LOL at Cubes post - I like GREEN too, but I smoke it :D
@AnE, Irn-Bru huh, hmmm - nice ;) I was ready and waiting for you online mate - sent you an invite but um... you need your Irn-Bru :D Just quite literally got offline this minute... ;)
Catch you around bud :D
Time of single or online races are not significant ! :mr-t
In real life, look at car competition : do you look race time (eg Formula One, 78 laps on Monaco) ?
No, because weather, temperature, opponents' value and number, incidents, etc, all this varies the conditions of races, so the time you can realize.
Green league is fair because everyone knows the rules.
Leaderboards of online races is useless, like the online rank (sinus1 the best oh yeah :rock)
And to blame guys like Ace3cube who try to preserve interest for WipEout is very unfair.
In the interest of finding a solution between those who like and don't like, the extended races (6 laps or more) looks very clever.
As for me, well I do not care much about weapons and getting hit by them. They are part of the game (I said that.) However what I absolutely hate is the lag and I wish it would one day disappear because sometimes you drive and you can't race properly because you keep getting rammed off your line by other players who are not even supposed to be touching you (They are not touching you on their screen.) So yeah, I don't like that a lot.
Green league offers theoretically no solution to that but with people using only green things I noticed that racers eventually spread out and makes for a pleasurable driving experience. But I can get that same experience offline and so I do not care much about green league if it were to stop because of this discussion. For me it's a way to drive with other people I enjoy playing with but that's it. Multiplayer race times seem not to be corrupted so I can understand why some voice their concern for that but it has been brought up that similar situations to green league can and will happen often, so green league looks to me like everyone has a shot instead of the one or few who pull ahead in a race populated with average players.
EDIT: But then there are those who green to get records, and so extending to 6 laps is not a solution for them. I have no idea.
Formula One is very different again to Wipeout i would say Jonathan. Two very very different examples. Times do play there way in a wayQuote:
Originally Posted by kaori
Oh ****ing hell for ****sake this is getting dumb, i feel asleep tbh with the laptop in front of me, simple, if there was a way to segregate the Green League acquired times, then im happy for the selected French and the others to do there own thing. The considerate an unselfish thing would be to make it 6laps as Cat mentioned in the Icaras thread before Chris deleted everything. I believe that would be the best solution at the time in order to keep the peace.
My exemple concerns just "opponents' value and number, incidents" you can meet in online race, it's why time of online race (or single) are not significant.
I don't understand. Since 25 september 2008 :
- I've seen friends who play one vs one to beat their record.
- I've seen some guys who start races against just one newbie ( it's like a Time Trial, with luck you can have 6 or 7 turbos).
- But I've seen (rare) pilots able to get a top 10 in Avalon races too, without any green item. I don't hear them complaining.
And 21 months after, green races would be unfair ? And the aforementioned points 1 & 2 ?
EDIT : nice tag "french silent treatment" :-
The game has changed alot since 25 september 2008. Some people have come and gone, some people still fire up the game to do a bit of TT or Eliminator or some online. This is what happens when no new content comes out on the game after an extended period of time, people get bored and start creating new leagues up, and playing the game in alternate ways.
Please call me SaturnReturn. Until you posted my full name a lot of people didn't know it. I don't have an issue with it if they do, but I think it's my choice whether people know my full name or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by KIGO1987
Thanks
On topic - I think it's up to individuals how they play the game. I don't really like green races that much because I feel it becomes all about the turbo. But I find the best solution to that, for me at least, is to just not play green races. It's worked out pretty well so far. So I voted 'not bothered'.
It might of been brought up already as I have not read all of this, but if people really want to race without weapons ruining the game why don't they race with weapons turned off - job sorted! I know it sounds out there, but you never know it might just catch on ;)
If I could be bothered I would vote for 'not bothered'
People found out about your name when you became moderator here late last year, not sure what thread it was on. But i can refer to you as just SaturnReturn, SR, or just Chris minus the full name if you like me too.
That is a bloody good point KGB acutally. But the damage has been done on the record tables and there isnt much of a Studio Liverpool to clean it up like they did back when they where at full staff power.
I even doubt that SL woulda cleaned the boards up anywya, they didn't on Pulse (rememeber the NCR crew of hackers who fingered around with the game and messed up some table on pulse? they still not fixed LOL - 3 yrs and counting)
SL did clear up record both in WOHD and Pulse once upon a time, but it came a futile task and now the record tables are left as they are now. Congratulations to all the shiits who have mess them up.:|
... and continue to do so ;)
I really wish I could read through all the pages of this thread, but 6 pages in the span of a day is just too much for me.
I voted 6 laps
i think green league is fine..if you like that style of racing which some players do.
i dont agree with if you dont like weapons just turn them off attitude
green league like the turbo and to absorb its their choice
so what if it increases the chances of a better time how about all the other activitys that happen online daily such as....
what about friends racing in private rooms doing exactly the same thing (no weapons just turbos) since day one of release..
what about glitchers who use glitches to improve times.
what about noob hunters who use numerous fake rank 1 ids and play novices so they can boost easy wins and get good times making out to the novice players their just super talented beginners.
if you like weapons races thats cool
if you like green races thats cool
everyone to their own..
i like them all well apart from glitchers and fake id novice hunters which is where a problem occurs if you want to get fussy.
also races with pickups are luck based so a player can play crap and get 6 turbos and end up with a nice time..
Yes Jasmin - GHREAT way of solving the problem of broken leaderboards - make them worse :D laughable at best :D sorry
I cant believe there's an attempt to make some kind of committee, largely of people not even involved, to try and decide weather a league should change the way its run or not.
If the main argument is the legitimacy of the leaderboard, then this whole witch hunt is a total waste of time because it lost its legitimacy a long, long time ago.
If this was mentioned a week after release date then fair enough, but 2 years later? After various other things broke the leaderboard? Its pretty trivial now.
I say either put up, get involved and maybe have some fun, or shut up :+
edit:
@jasmin-jade:
Well said :+
you miss my point ace..
im not focusing on the leaderboards
what i am saying is green league is what the green players want no one has a right to tell them how they should enjoy themselves while playing a game..
and its a lot better than the other type of rubbish that players do online to get good times without the consent of others sometimes..such as noob hunting or glitching
but the most important point about all of this is wipeout is a game no one has the right to tell others how they should play their game..
saying your green race does not count cos you didnt shoot at each other is a scrubish mentality..
race time anyway means little i have got good time myself where i have beaten great players who are far superior in all ways to myself at playing i just lucky on the turbos...
but the point is wipeout is a game so let people play how they want to..
repsect and tolerate each other and the way they enjoy playing the game
Hold on! This is wipEoutzone, we are the people who make wipEout what it is... Granted there were bad apples in the past who compromised the leaderboards with questionable methods ranging from CFW, Jaytech, GLitches etc etc, and because of it, New leaderboards were placed within this very site here, so GENUINE times could be entered. Like in the Pulse boards for example... All this because peeps were not playing on the same level playing field, this action had to be takenm becasue WZ members created a stink about it back then..
Funny isn't it, hypocritical even, that now that GREEN league is givinig its members an unfair chance at bettering their times, that there was no leaderboard made to reflect that? I raise the point here...
So why is it different for GREEN League, every WZ member BLATANTLY knows the advantages this league proviides... yet the rest of the people who play wipEout but are not members of Wipeoutzone are unaware of this GREEN format which gives its pilots unfair advantages... Is this fair? Is this the same level playing field you all made an uproar about back then? No, it isn't - it's not fair to them, and someone has to give the silent majority a voice. Me.
This GREEN League issue is Hypocricital, and downright dishonest when you think about it, :( Prove me wrong!
Ill prove you wrong, I paid £15 for this game, and ill play it however i choose.
Your turn, prove me wrong?
In response to your very first statement. No we are not.
We are not the ones who decide how the game works.
We are not the ones who decide how the game is supposed to be played.
We are not the ones who decide what players can or can not do.
You know who decides this?
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What we do, is we decide, with what is given to us by Studio Liverpool, how we play their game.
We decide what is fun, and we can do it together online. Green League is that, it is an agreement between players that this type of race is fun and we should do it together.
Is it unfair? It's a matter of opinion, but like I said before, if the Green League stops RIGHT NOW, what can you do about the players who go out in newbie Phantom games to win by a tremendous margin, those who have a friend stay logged in a private lobby to have all the time in the world to make a record, or those that create multiple accounts and each of them have a top time on the leaderboard?
You can do nothing. Because you do not decide what players do with the game. This decision lies with Studio Liverpool.
you talk of unfairness....
ace you must realise non zone members also do play private races without shooting each other...always have
you must also no about gang races where players work as a team to eliminate stronger outside players.
you do realise players play green races but make out their weapon races to make them look cool
players do make up fake rank 1 ids and go into novice races to boost their wins and get good times
and yes they may still be glitchers but how they do it i have no idea
it isnt unfair to do green races as you can do them yourself
i hate mines and bombs and wont use them unless i really have to..can i say its unfair cos i dont use them and others do and thats why i cannot compete
no i say if i lose i deserved to cos i restricted myself and what i can do with made up rules in my head ..that mean nothing to the world i play in
like or not no one can dictate how another player wants to play...
You've missed the point of my post, and proved something else... how much you paid for the game :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by osama bin haydn
It was about £12.50 on psn store on release day to be exact.
And to be honest, i answered your question spot on i think -
They paid for the game, they choose how to play the game. Theres nothing downright dishonest about it.Quote:
This GREEN League issue is Hypocricital, and downright dishonest when you think about it, Prove me wrong!
If anything, youve missed the points that jasmin, d777, and myself have each laid out in front of you.
No Haydn, I understand those points perfectly, here - Studio Liverpool make the Game, You play it how you want, just like those hackers, CFW users, Jaytech abusers and god knows who else who discovered how to make faster times... simple.
Prove me wrong??? :D
anyone for pimms
sorry......:nod
The difference is unlike hackers etc, this is for honest competition and enjoyment. The league wasnt created for the intention of heading the leaderboard, but for fun.
You know what, i like fun, so excuse me, im going to go join GREEN :g
Lol Jasmin ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ACE-FLO
Eeh I can't believe this is still going down. Ace, I really like and respect you but seriously, if youre going to start this argument then you might as well put the majority of zoners into your sin bin....shortcuts, BRing off the lip of a track etc is all in the same league....it's not how it was designed to be played, but people always will find a way to go faster. You dont hear me chastising people for using shortcuts, when I myself don't. Just deal with it :)
I cant deal with hypocrisy, sorry :?
Exactly cat :) i remember how annoyed i was with boostBRs and shortcuts....... i even made a thread about it saying it was the 'bane of wipeout' :g
learnt the error of my ways in the end, and made sure to apologise to a few Frenchmen i annoyed :+
well, don't hold your breath, no apology is coming from me, I haven't flamed anyone ;) lol
I think you have missed something here.
Studio Liverpool has acted against glitchers and hackers (They have removed their score from the leaderboards.) Studio Liverpool has acted against Jaytech (It is impossible to update Pulse, but the technique no longer works in HD Fury.)
They have also acted against BSB but then people found another trick (Just saying, not trying to open this can of worms again.)
Studio Liverpool has made decisions to protect their game given the apparent limited resources they were given, and we have seen the results.
To deny that like you have done is to me a pure lack of respect unfortunately. Because they did act, you do not see it though.
They could act MORE, yes, I infinitely agree with that point (By the way guys I found others, I'm not telling), but they have done things.
i know, you have nothing to apologise for my friend, except maybe trying to ruin a load of players fun on a game that theyve paid good money for, and trying to blame them for a problem that was caused long before :)
Heh yeah I remember that Haydn...sparked a few debates that did ;) But it's important that you had the understanding to just let it go and get on and have fun with it in the end :)
Im not going to fuel this debate anymore, it's futile..so goodnight all! ;)
For the record Haydn, I didn't actually blame anyone ;) If it seems that I'm attempting to ruin their fun then I truly am sorry. For that I will apologise, that was never my intetion.
My intention was to have the rules revised to allow for 6 laps on GREEN races, instead of the 5 in the interest of the leaderboards, is all... Now, if you love the GREEN races so much - the extra lap should be a bonus for you guys, I don't see me attempting to ruin anyones fun, rather offer you a solution which provides you with an extra lap of even more GREEN fun ;)
EDIT: Night Cat, regards to the AnE :) I'm calling it a night too man - its facking late :lol
ahh, okay good point, didnt mean to tarnish you there mate.
but really, does it actually matter? :) the leaderboard is dead, battered, broken and bruised anyway :beer
Okay I'm gonna pretend I'm on a side now (Where in truth I don't really care what happens like I said)
What if some green (let's use it as a verb) to get records? Six laps isn't a solution for them, it's rather used to push them on the side. I already questioned that but it was a very small sentence.
But really, what if someone greens to get records? What if that's what's fun for them? What do you propose then? Six laps puts them out of record range automatically, so that isn't the solution.
Keep in mind there are alternatives, like entering a race filled with lesser skilled players, having a player idle on the starting grid, and even having multiple accounts can help (No suspicion that Mr.X is a great player, so he gets a free pass to first place.)
I've never taken the multiplayer times as anything other than a curiosity, if indeed that, they have always been the most irrelevant of all the records except maybe single race.
Why are they irrelevant?
Because there is no constant to compare against apart from the length of the track, no two races are ever the same, be they raced with weapon used or as a Green league type race.
The very fact that times have always be open to manipulation from the very beginning by having a 2nd player stay rooted to the start/finish line, while another races around the track to get a fast time, makes a mockery of any credence given to gotten times.
And to add to that the total ad-hoc dispersion of the amount of turbos by the game itself in any one race.
Either you come 1st 2nd or 3rd in a particular race.
The race time for that race has absolutely no bearing on any other race that has been, or is ever going to be raced.
The only thing multiplayer times show is how lucky you have been.:D