Non-working leaderboards [please fix it!]

Yes they all can be beaten.
Jf messaged me saying he'd beaten his anulpha venom record without bsb. Anulpha reverse can certainly be bettered, a possible 8 brs on that track but tricky to do.
Metropia reverse on venom and flash can be beaten, possible 6brs on that track,
Ubermall has been beaten on venom,flash.and rapier.
Vineta k i'm not sure about , i havent gave that a try yet. Sames goes for vineta k reverse.
Akfurtif earned top spot on phantom on that track which shows it can be done on phantom.(vineta k forward)
Moas been beaten,
metropia forward can be beaten,
ubermall reverse on venom and flash has bean beaten

Think thats it , they can be beaten. I've said yet again:?


This threads gone of topic slightly

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Originally Posted by leungbok

Fairness ??? I don't see the problem if a player keeps his tricks for himself and don't share with anybody.

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You got me wrong. I meant, like I have written, fairness in the sense that
everyone plays under the same rules. So there are times on the leaderboard
which do not comply to the current rules of the game. And it isn't of any
interest whether 'you' can break these BSB times or not.

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Originally Posted by leungbok

Problemsolver, That's great if you can beat your zone records anytime ! :clap
I'm unable to do it on tt/sl. I know i can improve my pb, but it may takes hours or weeks.
Can you improve too your speedlap records that easily ? You were recently working on tech de ra, no ? Atm, you must be close to 21.00, there's no bsb problems to solve there !

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Watch Connavar's page. ;) I'm down to 21:55 with Feisar, and I can do a 21:45.
Sure, I can do better using Icaras and or Harimau, but I don't want to. My one
and only issue is pulling all those barrel rolls. I did only two on TDR for
my current record. I simply haven't spent 300h+ into Speed Lap to be quick
enough on the barrel rolls. I'm still questioned how you pull the one over the
little crest (within the downhill section) on TDR? Are you using the analog
stick or not? Likewise with Talon's Junction Reverse, where I did a 21:96 on
Feisar with only one BR. If I could pull the second one more consistently then
this should be enough for rank 1 (21.72 your time). So I'm not a Speed Lap
guys just yet, but I can be fast, and I lack only the BR-thing to essentially
catch some of you guys up there. :) I think you did 2 BRs on TJ Rev. and 3 or
4 in TDR. One BRs more on TDR and I will even get your time (21.01) riding
a Feisar. :P So teach me how to do the one over the little crest. I tried virtually
everything like nose up/down, sideshift + nose up/down, ..., but nothing.
I guess, I'm simply not fast enough doing the BR-LRL/RLR sequence.

The BR you're talking about is impossible...unless you're leungbok ;)

My success rate - 0% :lol

Back on track: This thread is SO necessary :+

What I don't understand is why some tracks update almost instantly and some don't update at all....

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The BR you're talking about is impossible...unless you're leungbok

My success rate - 0%

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Most of the BR's some of you pull off are bloody impossible! ;)

And Rezatron, I was SOOOO close to getting a 1:49 on MP Ubermall Flash earlier in the week, but i went and fell off the track which lost me around 3 seconds :(! BTW, i dont think that track's board updates... :?

@yeldar2097: 0%? lol
Does he use another input device? Doesn't sound like a DS3 judging
from the video. But what ever he uses, he is about three times faster
pulling the rolls than I do. xD

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Originally Posted by yeldar2097

... What I don't understand is why some tracks update almost instantly and some don't update at all....

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You may perhaps get a trophy solving this puzzle.

I think leungBRbok uses pad and motion for pitch(am i right?).
He's just REALLY REALLY fast with his fingers. Like, REALLY fast.

Didn't he played Pulse as crazy as HD? xD Was a good training for the
BRs, I guess. No?

@Rezatron, ubermall updates so your ok.
metropia, chenghou, sebenco, anulpha dont , both forward and reverse.
the reverse of the fury tracks dont update.
And two of the pure four dont update, think syncopia and pro tozo. if not pro tozo then its mallavo

Yes yeldar, i use the directional pad (i play the old school way since the first wipeout) and motion control (pitch only) at 100%, and yes it's a ds3. For the sound i don't know, maybe the triggers (lot of sideshifts^^) or my cam sound.
Pbs, for my talon's junction reverse i only performed one br for my 21.72. I can do an other br but this one is hard, i work on it to improve this time some day.

One BR seem more appropriate when considering your time on TJ Rev., right. I
can do three BRs on TJ Rev.; one when going into the loop, one when going out
of the loop down the straight using the boost, and one out of last corner (never
saw anyone performing this one). But I currently don't know whether the second
one is worth a thing. The first two are easy, even I can do it! xD Only the last
one is a bit more difficult but nothing against the one on TDR. A 21:5x should be
possible for me on a Feisar using the first BR (with boost) and the third one out
of last corner. But tell me, how man BRs have you done for your current record
(21:01) on TDR?

@SL: Please fix the leaderboard, ASAP! (on topic again xD)

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Originally Posted by XBARNSTERX

@Rezatron, ubermall updates so your ok.
metropia, chenghou, sebenco, anulpha dont , both forward and reverse.
the reverse of the fury tracks dont update.
And two of the pure four dont update, think syncopia and pro tozo. if not pro tozo then its mallavo

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Maybe some tracks update or not according to the number of entries they have (too many entries = update failure) ? Or other explanation, maybe the records are not updated when the server is overloaded. Maybe they need faster servers.

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Originally Posted by ProblemSolver

One BR seem more appropriate when considering your time on TJ Rev., right. I
can do three BRs on TJ Rev.; one when going into the loop, one when going out
of the loop down the straight using the boost, and one out of last corner (never
saw anyone performing this one). But I currently don't know whether the second
one is worth a thing. The first two are easy, even I can do it! xD Only the last
one is a bit more difficult but nothing against the one on TDR. A 21:5x should be
possible for me on a Feisar using the first BR (with boost) and the third one out
of last corner. But tell me, how man BRs have you done for your current record
(21:01) on TDR?

@SL: Please fix the leaderboard, ASAP! (on topic again xD)

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4 br are possible on talon's rev : first one using the boost at the begining (nose up and turn while br-ing - hard to control but cool to do when you don't touch the wall). And the 3 other br you're talking about (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6bNFt2E6zc ;))

I did the same brs as on my video for tech de ra (my ghost is 21.01) = 4 (another one is possible to perform at the end to crush the 21.00 barrier, but hard to do because of the last chicane).

The piloting techniques should be discussed in some other thread, preferably one about piloting techniques. ;)

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Originally Posted by Rezatron

I just set the #2 world record on Multiplayer Ubermall Flash (1.51.xx). I just needed to write that in this thread :p... it better update!

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i was in that race! there was no chance to catch you! :clap
i ended 3rd IIRC with my best time too

I hope SL will fix it soon. I am not so fast, but the leaderboard is a good
motivation for me, to become better...

Thx that some of you guys made also a post about this topic on the PS Blog.

We will keep them on their toes!

Is it normal for the top 10 times on a track to be the obvious result of glitches where no speed pads were hit and the total time is less than a nimute for a 4-lap race?

I noticed that on one track last night.

No, lots of the single race times are messed. Pretty much all of them in fact.
There are a couple of speed lap/time trial times that are buggered but nowhere near
as many. All the rest (AFAIK) is fine except for the obvious Anulpha Pass zone scores...

All I can say is: thank **** for Connavar's site.

I wouldn't be surprised if the leaderboard issue is 'out of hand' of SL, in
the same vein as the account problem last time around;

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Originally Posted by Paul Tweedle

... we believe we have a fix for the problem with logging in with certain accounts.

We know this one has been going on for a long time and apologise for that, but it has involved quite a lot of work by many people some of whom from outside of Studio Liverpool. A real team effort. ...

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It's not just the leader boards not updating.

If you check your personal records you will find that not all times are being kept on your console.

For instance,say you had 4 progressively better times for TT or SL on one particular track at say Phantom speed.
Those four different times should be kept on the console in personal records,if you go back a day or so later and look at the times you will possibly find only 1 or 2 of those time still recorded,the others would of disappeared, and it will be almost certain that the event times on your console that show this happening to them are the ones that are not updating with the online records.

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Originally Posted by ProblemSolver

I wouldn't be surprised if the leaderboard issue is 'out of hand' of SL

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I hope you're wrong but it's impossible to know without any communication from SL :( still no reply from the PSN Blog ...

Just chipping in my opinion here.

I'm always raving on to everybody about how Wipeout HD/Fury is the best racing game EVER. Giving it 10/10 ratings etc - but everything hinges on the competetive aspect. I spent about two hours last night trying to shave 3/10ths of a second from one of my SL times - there's just no point if the records don't update.

I also find the wall of silence on the subject really upsetting. If there's a fix in place, then that's great - I'll look forward to it.

If there's never likely to be one, then I think I've probably reached a point with Wipeout where there's no point in continuing to play.

In either case I think it's only fair to be informed one way or the other.

Am really pleased to see more of a fuss being kicked up about this, and sincerely hope that somebody can find it within themselves to provide a definitive answer shortly. I think we all deserve one.

I think we should give him, Joey Payne from the PS Blog, a bit more time to
respond. But one and a half week should be enough, so I will write another
entry on the PS Blog if there isn't any answer on Monday the 28th of September.

This is kinda off topic, but on the playstation blog presentation of the BD-version it says "28 reversible tracks". Shouldn't that be 12 reversible tracks and four zone-only tracks? (Or are they actually adding a shitload of new tracks? Me thinks not.) Only mentioning it here cause I can't be bothered to register at the playstation-blog to moan about it.:D

On-topic : :mad::mad: FIX IT! How hard can it be to get a few numbers from my PS3 to your servers? I've lost count of how many PB's I've set and never seen again! Also - is it so god damned hard to say "We're working on it"?, or if you're not "Sorry, but can't be bothered due to "insert lame excuse involving either money or Sony or both"."
Playing wipeout HD nowadays is like playing BF2 a few years back. Every patch would fix a few problems and create a bunch of new ones. (But at least they kept people up to date on their progress!)
And finally, a (pre-emptive) disclaimer : WipEout HD is still the best damn game on the PS3, that's why I get so pissed every time there's something wrong with it:D

Well Paul Tweedle, the current SL man in charge who visits this forum hasn't visited here since 14th of August, which I presume was a cursory look at what was being said about FURY 3 weeks after it's release [SL WO staff went on holiday straight after FURY went live].

Even though just before going on holiday he did mention that they will look at fixing the records problems on their return,I find this a rather long absence and it has me worried that this records problem might end up being perpetual,if true to previous form he would of at least given [posted] some inkling on the current state of the fix from their end.

I might ask another forum member here to shoot off a email to their SL contact and see what the current state of staffing is on the Wipeout front ,any further work on the Wipeout series might of been put on ice for all we know.

There always the other 3 SL empoyees here on this forum you could try contacting as well.

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Originally Posted by XBARNSTERX

Ubermall updates ...
Metropia, Chenghou, Sebenco, Anulpha don´t, both forward and reverse.
the reverse of the fury tracks don´t update.

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So 12 tracks don´t update, right?
The rest do?

(I´m asking, ´cause I have to do some rankings based on Conna´s site before a Team Nordic-tourny - quite hard if it´s impossible to see your PB on these 12 tracks ..... thinking, thinking, thinking ...)

Its twelve race tracks that don't update yes. Plus two of the zone tracks:blarg

well, ide like ton known if S.Liverpool said something about this F.....g update and why it doesn't work ?
How database is working ? and how is it updating ? Who host the database server ?
and WHY S.Liverpool say nothing since few weeks ( except Blue ray news )

will have to wait release of blue ray version to get some answer or solution about this ?


COLIN , where are u ?

It seems that they have a chronic issue regarding leaderboards, last year they reset all Pulse rankings to eradicate erranous times (see here).
I don't understand how people able to create amazing worlds and physics simulations crash with simple math operations, it's like a scientist unable to do 1+1! :dizzy

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Originally Posted by XBARNSTERX

@Rezatron, ubermall updates so your ok.
metropia, chenghou, sebenco, anulpha dont , both forward and reverse.
the reverse of the fury tracks dont update.
And two of the pure four dont update, think syncopia and pro tozo. if not pro tozo then its mallavo

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You're joking!? I've just got a Global Rank of 5th on Tech De Ra Reverse, Venom, and now I'll never see it on the leaderboards? :(

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Originally Posted by tug_14

COLIN , where are u ?

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Colin is not involved in this; it's the responsibility of Paul Tweedle and possibly a few others.

Well where are the others? It's been like two weeks now (Not counting the two months before ProblemSolver posted on the PS Blog) and we have no reply or even information if the problem is acknowledged (and worked on or not.)

If SL abandons their game for a reason or another, well I'm gonna do just the same. :/
I pretty much stopped playing WipEout HD now... There's only one small step left. Step that I will probably make whenever Uncharted 2 or Borderlands come out.

I'm the same.
Apart from four races on the 13th I haven't played wipeout for nearly 2 months

Studio Liverpool...............Please fix leaderboards I have fast times but they wont appear:nod:nod:nod

It's a damn shame that WOHD leaderboards aren't being maintained :(

I think though that this showcases the problems with "official" leaderboards that are created by publishers/developers. They NEVER work in the long term because they are (1) prone to cheating; (2) aren't updated regularly; and (3) inevitably taken down. Game publishers aren't particularly motivated to keep leaderboards running because it doesn't affect their financial bottom line.

That's what's great about the WOZ time trial boards-- as well as boards maintained by enthusiasts for other video games. I guess my question for y'all is, why not record their your times here on the website?

I happily use Connavars fine site, only I mainly play MP online and there's no way to distinguish between Single Race and MP records in the 'Personal' tab. The Personal tab seems to record at least some of my PBs, but I don't know if they're all there.

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Well where are the others? It's been like two weeks now (Not counting the two months before ProblemSolver posted on the PS Blog) and we have no reply or even information if the problem is acknowledged (and worked on or not.)

If SL abandons their game for a reason or another, well I'm gonna do just the same. :/
I pretty much stopped playing WipEout HD now... There's only one small step left. Step that I will probably make whenever Uncharted 2 or Borderlands come out.

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Same here :(

It's been 3 weeks now since I work very far from home so I don't have much time to play, but also to care about my family and do everything I can't do during the week, but I see nothing has changed since my departure I'm feeling disappointed :(

I thought about taking my ps3 with me to be able to play more, but from what I see I don't think I will, I have much better to do, like contributing in some open source projects, it may not work as expected sometimes too, but at least I can see why and send a patch if I'm able to solve the issue...

@Frances_Penfold : There's a major issue with those community leaderboards : they're based on the official leaderboard. Apart from that you have no way to prove your score is genuine. I made a proposal to be able to link a picture to a time (not necessarily hosted on the website itself, could just be an additional field in the records table in the database) but I got no reply for this. Some people may put fake records on the website and you'll have no way to see if it's fake or not.

That will happen sooner or later, it has happened on scorehero.com for the song Through the fire and flames from guitar hero 3, but as people could link pictures and/or videos to prove they've really achieved their score, it was easy to identify the cheaters and remove their scores from the leaderboard.

I won't make yet another wipeout leaderboard site, I wouldn't have time to maintain it and it would sound like reinventing the wheel to me

Some records on the official leaderboards are also bugged ones (SR, moa TT/phantom ...) so they're not more legitimate than those on Connavar's site.
Off course some can enters fake times. But we have the possibility of picturesand videos, or for TT/SL uploading some ghosts on El habib's website (at least when they aren't bugged :rolleyes:).
But i usually trust those who enters times on Connavar's site :)

It's mainly people from here and Wipeout Arena that use Connavars site.

For the most part they are all diehard Wipeout players who know how pointless it would be to put in incorrect times,as most people know each other and what general skill level each is at.

So I think his sites records would be the most realistic by a large margin.