Wow, congrats Charlie! Don't you dare telling me how you pulled it off! :clap
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Wow, congrats Charlie! Don't you dare telling me how you pulled it off! :clap
I have managed to get a 32.20 so far. Pretty pleased with that (what with my 'dad' hands, and all!)
I reckon I have a way to get the trophy, but don't think I have the skill to pull it off. I'll keep trying though...
Here's my theory... Which may be old news, or a load of old poop...
Save a boost for the start of a new lap, then boost over the first pad. Hit the next three in the first turn, then set up to go diagonal over the three further on. This is all pretty straight forward, so I'll skip to the end... As you approach the raised track section, take the high line, then boost and barrel roll onto the track, hit 4 speed pads on this section, then drop off onto the main track on the left, barrel rolling. You should land and hit another speed pad when you land. Speed pads hit - 17, 2 x boost and 2 x barrel roll.
That's my theory. This is how I got my fastest lap, so I'm going to try to perfect it now.
Shame the online records system is a shoddy load of old shite, as these fast laps appear to be for nothing... :brickwall
My time right now is 31.8x, grrrrr!
Going to have to give "Beat Zico" a go soon! Sounds like a right challenge!!
For anyone struggling with Flatland Flyer here is a video on one of the places to do it - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv4o6A8h7kc
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Note to all posters in this thread:
Please give a subject title to your posts that is the name of the trophy or trophy type that you're giving tips for or discussing. This would make it a lot easier for people to keep track of the ones they're trying to get at the time.
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Anyone have any tips for beating Elite on Phantom? I can handle Elite on Venom, Flash and Rapier no problem. Is it just sticking to a tight line the whole way?
Ok guys seriously this is a bronze trophy. Need seven other players with unlocked skins (Not the default ones) to meet up with me at some time and do just one race. So come on, it isn't that hard.
I can be online in a minute, if you need another racer. As long as we race on venom or flash... :redface:
I'm just a bit pants today - been a stressful weekend, and as this will be my first online race, you'll need to go easy on me!
Basically, yes. That, and luck with weapon pickups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubix42
Phew... 30.58 for Zico on lap 98! 2nd place in boards, Nº1 is a 30.57 :bomb
And it was not a perfect run, there was room for improvement! Yay!
I'm finding it depends on the track, if you don't use pitch control properly on Chenghou for example they will beat your ass back to the stone age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubix42
Found the way to beat him, and I did (30.72). It's even a video. :O
Come on guys, search a little, and you'll find it. :)
we're already friends...I can do it with Icaras (only skin I have unlocked, Icaras loyal!) and will be on tonight whenever you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkdrium777
I will try that in a 99 fast lap mode and go at the end, with luck i'll have enough laps to beat zico & earn two trophies in a row :g
That's exactly what I did leungbok, it's not that hard! Just need patience!
Sure roz, not the most fearing's trophies, to me ;) (the most boring, maybe :g)
Woo Hoo! I finally beat it! Just. 30.81, but I discovered by accident that it is possible to do 5 Barrel rolls in one lap. I got 30.81 by doing 4 BUT....I didn't manage to do the barrel onto the thin track!
I'll give you some help tho. I used motion control for pitch, to keep the nose pointing up. It is possible to do three barrel rolls after the first turn and over the hill. Then the last two on and off the thin track.
All you need to do to get the three rolls is keep that nose pointed up! Boost off the second small hill. Just hit the boosts on the track right and do the rolls as fast as you can.
Even if you knew the complete method you will still find it very hard.
It takes time to learn how to do the three rolls correctly.
EDIT: Just got 30.67 by doing 5 Rolls. Must be the way to do it then!
I hope the Leaderboards update soon.
By the way knowing the right way to do this will NOT make it any easier. It is still very hard to do and it will take you a while to do it.
Hey I was wondering if anyone has gotten or know of anyone who has gotten the Zone Zues trophy yet. I got mine yesterday, but seeings how the leaderboards arent working right Im not even on there :brickwall
re the 5 BR's to beat Zico..
I am not a big barrel roll hater, but it's stuff like this that makes me :( i think if you could exectute them only when you get big air then perfect, but when it becomes possible to get so technical and frantically do LRL's over every tiny jump then they lose their appeal and start to break the game.
Having on big jumps great, just adds excitement. having all over the place ruins the concept of racing. you dont need to race well to win, you need to perfectly line up a jump to just about manage a BR and forget about racing. dont like this.
The only BR I think is quite desperate is the narrow path one. But that would risky to perform in races since it's kinda dangerous to do it. If you miss you go out of the track or you don't do it all and must regain control of the ship, so I think this BR is only really needed for this challenge. As for the others, the hill BR's seem perfectly natural for me, since I'm taking advantage of the boosts :)
I did 30.58 with 4 BR's and 13 pads! Maybe that extra roll isn't that good?Quote:
EDIT: Just got 30.67 by doing 5 Rolls. Must be the way to do it then!
MEH! :( I was really hoping there would be a clever racing line involved, not ****ing BRs :-
QIAQuote:
Originally Posted by rushin
I believe the challenge loses alot of it's appeal due to this :(
I am right in thinking you have to chain BR's together then, so left right left, then another left right left before you land = 2 BR boosts and so on??Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthendRage
Shame, I perfer racing to rolling but if is how it has to be then so be it.
Well... actually... that are old news.
BRs distract from the racing. I have no problem to one once in a while, but TT is just no fun if you know you're good at racing and that it's just total irrelevant because there's always someone who will find this or that jump to execute a BR.
The worst thing about it is the fact that tracks itself are misused just to get another BR. I mean: the panels at Sol2 for example - they can be used as a ramp to do another BR, even though they're actually not made for it. And that's just one of dozens of track sections that can be used for BR. Track sections that were supposed to be track sections and not BR sections.
So I guess the secret's out. Here's the video that shows where to do the barrell rolls.
Regarding the 16 gold medal at phantom level trophy -- can I do them @ Elite difficulty in the final grid and the rest in Racebox to count, or do I have to do them all in Racebox?
See you guys are annoyed about the rolls. It is a bit of a shame yes. It still take some precision to do it right, like if you boost at the wrong time you go too high, don't land both rolls on the boosts, and you fail.
Anulpha pass isn't a very technical track, what did you expect?
By the way in that youtube vid, he only does two barrels after the first straight. You can do three, because if you keep the nose sticking up, boost at the second bump, you should go pretty far, land the first quite a bit before the boosts at the top of the hill (the boosts at 0.16 secs in the vid above) you should bounce and have enough time to do another barrel, land and bounce again and do another, then land on the boost in the narrow bit at bottom of the hill. That is THREE rolls! Also when you land a roll on a boost, you seem to go much faster.
Let me make myself clear: You can do 5 Barrel rolls in one lap
This is why you can beat the Zico time by half a second and get 30.32.
As long as you do the five rolls perfect, get the lines right, this should easily be possible.
With all these rolls: :dizzy :D
Oh yes, the reason why I only got 30.62 with 5 rolls, and some of you got faster with 4 rolls. Lets just say it wasn't as clean as it could have been >< But I think the reason the SL guys say they can beat it by half a second is because they have done a good 5 roll lap.
Whats the point of doing five rolls anyways? With four you get rid of the most stupid trophy ever (Perfect racing line my ***, more like perfect roll line). Seriously, four rolls, yay :/ Five is just too much annoyance. With only four it is quite easy so five it just takes more practise for almost the same result, and when you've done two 99 laps sessions trying to beat the time, you don't want to do anymore, trust me.
I know, I done three full sessions before beating it ><.
I was just saying that if anyone wants to go purely for the WR, they might wanna do 5 rolls, since it must be a bit faster if you do it right.
May do it one day, but no more thumb cramps for me :P
This is RIDICULOUS. I'm glad I got the Beat Zico Trophy now, and I am proud to have achieved this with only 2 (TWO) barrel rolls. Same line as I described in an earlier post, just perfected it (sideshift over the diagonal 3 speed pads, instead of turning, sideshifting into the apex of turns, finding exactly the right moment to turbo boost off the ramp, etc.)
This trophy has lost it's appeal completely to me, due to the fact that you can achieve it with a **** racing line, as long as you do 4 BRs.
Rob, I surrender. You were right all the way. BRs are destroying the game (in parts). :( Guess I will only be competitive in the long run on tracks that don't allow stupid BR exploits, since I still can't consistently pull them off...
I may never achieve the Beat Zico trophy. Playing with the internal cam makes doing too many BR's stupidly hard.:bomb
Congrats to those who pulled it off.
Actually the time was set with 3, and beaten (by us) by half a second using 3BRs, not 4 or 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthendRage
I do think it raises an idea though of some challenges for future that require a time to be beaten without BRs, which I'll mention to those still working on things
Perhaps in future we could see some BR challenges and some none BR ones, though I cant promise anything
**** racing line? Hardly. Even with 4 BR's if you don't get the trajectories right, you won't get the trophy. Sure, it may not be the PERFECT racing line but you can't zig-zag all the way and win with just BR's.Quote:
This trophy has lost it's appeal completely to me, due to the fact that you can achieve it with a **** racing line, as long as you do 4 BRs.
It must be good a combination of all techniques.
It sounds as if you don't want to part, even temporarily, with the "stupidly hard." Set your view to external and give it another go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubix42
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Then, to be frank, one could suppose the record was **** to begin with, because barrel rolls and ideal racing lines aren't necesarily mutually exclusive. In fact, true world record times cannot be achieved without a combination of both. Case in point, I challenge anyone to score a lap below 17.50 on Metropia White (Phantom, Pulse) with anything but razor sharp, wall-fornicating lines, and with the three barrel rolls and one boost needed to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by eLhabib
Having said that, one could imagine Zico's record being beaten by more than the average half second everyone is creaming it by -- perhaps a lot more if lines are run as optimally as possible.
If we took a quick poll of those that share this point of view, in your estimation, what percentage of people who could consistently pull them off would agree with you? What's clear is that there's a clear correlation between those that don't mind them and their ability to execute them consistently and repeatedly, vice versa. And I imagine it's those that can't consistently pull them off who are driving the changes to the barrel roll system, starting with the Pure-esque re-nerfing of them in HD.Quote:
Rob, I surrender. You were right all the way. BRs are destroying the game (in parts). :( Guess I will only be competitive in the long run on tracks that don't allow stupid BR exploits, since I still can't consistently pull them off...
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That's simply not true, sorry. If you need proof that the Zico time is possible with a **** racing line and 4 BRs, go check youtube. He even scraped a wall... tssshhh :rolleyes:
EDIT: I just realised that in this video, he does not actually beat the time, just show how to do it. Still, if you do 4 BRs, there's enough leeway for even missing a speed pad.
Hell! You SL guys done that time with 3 rolls? How is that possible. Oh well good for you, I can't imagine how perfect that lap must have been! :O
So I guess a **** racing line for you is everything NOT perfect? My racing line was not perfect but I sure as hell tried it to be.
And it's not like Zico's times is the uber time or any world record to praise on. From what I can tell it was meant to be a difficult trophy not impossible.
I've seen the video, and we can conclude the trophy was a benchmark meant to be fast and tough to achieve, but clearly not set to the level of perfection we're accustomed to. That said, why not claim the mantle of perfection for yourself? Wring out the lap, set an uncatchably fast time and go down in HD history. Do it with a Piranha too, land all five barrel rolls and tie your lines so tight that they threaten to cut off anyone's circulation -- then everyone will be wanting to "beat Elhabib" instead. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eLhabib
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@SouthendRage: If you had read my post thoroughly, you would have learned that I did it with TWO. 30.70 to be precise.
@Jack: maybe in the future, yes, but right now I can't be bothered with trying 5 BRs per lap. It just ain't fun... (and I ain't that great of a TT pilot anyway, more the multiplayer type ;))
EDIT: and if you need to 'beat eLhabib', come over to my house in Vienna, that's the easiest way to do it :P
...alright enough of the smacktalk :paperbag
Well okay, but Zico is now an afterthought. Plenty have defeated him with their chosen number of barrel rolls, so whoever holds the bottom line fastest time is now king of the hill, so that's the man to beat.
Can't wait to get HD installed on my PS3 to see what this Zico thing is all about.
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