Something like that.. ;)
or has that always been happening and I just didn't notice?
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Something like that.. ;)
or has that always been happening and I just didn't notice?
I think they've been showing up for a while. There's also a Vostock Reef and Gemini Dam. I'm pretty sure they've been discussed in another thread somewhere, not sure where though...
Mirage team and two tracks are up on the PC - PSP Playstation Store. :hyper
It costs £3.49, a lot less than the real ship though. :)
They're charging? Oh well, while a little unexpected the original price of pulse was so cheap I have no problems paying. I wonder how many packs they plan on releasing in total.
I have no problem paying for packs either but I'm very surprised. The teams are all listed on the site as standard with no mention of having to pay for them and they are all over the game in billboards. That just seems a little cheeky.
And with only one team here and three more to go, the cost could rack up. One team and two tracks for €5? Seems steep to me.
What?
We need to pay for this? I do care! I spent 45 euros for my copy, that's a normal price, and besides, they never said they were going to charge!
And now ships can't be used in multiplayer... another downer...
Do we know if this restrictions are definitive?
No ad-hoc with these ships either?
Sl could come up with a patch...
I'm not happy about paying 5 euros for this pack, I probably won't until I cool off.
This is outrageous, if things keep going this way next WO game we will get the menus only, and then we'll pay for every track separately...
Who decided on this? SL? Sony? :(
What about people with no access to credit cards?
This feels very eerie...
Just checked and it really is up... Mirage Pack: One ship and two tracks with their Zones for €4.99 ... I think they've gone too far. Seeing that Harimau and Icaras are missing and maybe some other content too... If Icaras gets the Piranha beater everyone suggests it to be, then the two-class WipEout gaming world is reality. I won't pay, Pulse wasn't "cheap", it came at €39.90 which is a regular price for PSP games, so the retail cost doesn't justify the "expansion's" price. I hope many others will refrain from paying either. Unfortunately there are many WO fanatics- just like in other games, e.g. Oblivion- that pay without a second thought about the consequences in the long run.
hm, so there's 4 (8 B/W) tracks and 4 ships announced, all 4 then will cost £3.50*4 £14. Still, more than worth it :D, they could charge £20 per track and I'd still pay. Here's hoping for an addition 4 tracks after that!
Well I went ahead and got it. Not like I wasn't going to. So we get Mirage craft, Edgewinter track White and Vostok Reef Black. Am I right in thinking that the other directions of those tracks are going to be a separate paid download? If I am, that is nasty.
Many (most) people on this board I'm sure will end up getting them but those 'mainstream' gamers they're so desperate to hook in? Not a chance in hell.
The tracks - Edgewinter is blue. Like, everywhere. It's a city setting and looks like a Pulse Sinucit-alike in a way but more city. Not very inspired looking but the layout seems like fun. It's short but the layout was quite surprising on first play.
Vostok Reef opens with a Pulse-by-numbers section but then moves into a beautifully lit cave-like section that is just gorgeous. Really nice and looks very different. The entire track is underwater. Seems like there's a cool jump in the White version but... that doesn't appear to come with the pack. Pants.
So very first impressions, yeah, a good pack. Worth €5? Well, I'm going to end up paying for it so I guess for me it is but for most it won't be. And shouldn't be. And now that it's a paid download, I'm wondering if I buy the bug-fixed US Pulse version, will I have to buy these packs again for that? As if using the UK and Europe as bug testers isn't enough to piss off the fanbase.
Ah well.
That's naive reasoning, Fascia, and shows that the concept of micro transaction has settled in peoples minds as normality.
However, the market doesn't work the way your calculations are based on. Given, a million people pay €4.99 for that one pack, who says SL/Sony won't take this as a sign, that people are willing to pay even more? Next pack comes at €5.99... ad infinitum... You see where I'm going with this?
Where do you get the idea that the content was worked on seperately and isn't part of the whole game's production process and just held back for the right moment when the novelty for the casual gamers has worn off?Quote:
Still, more than worth it
Dogg: I think it's especially the casual gamers that gladly pay, because by now they are tired of racing moa and talon's over and over again (they don't work on their laptimes and try to "break" the game), and need new, exciting content, until they get tired of that... But then maybe the next pack gets released. However, when the releases stop, they stop playing Pulse. But who knows,maybe the next WipEout is available by then, as a version DJ suggested ;)
It's just wrong
I understand what you're saying there, and I also agree with it entirely, you're completely on the money (so to speak). And for the record, this'll perhaps be one of my first micro transactions, I own neither an xbox, wii or playstation, so the whole charging for DLC is new to me. That said however, this is WipEout and while it is naive reasoning, it is still WipEout, and I am a WipEout nut, as are alot of people here. I'll be buying the packs, as will alot of other people both on and off of these message boards. I just hope that the majority of the money goes into the developers pockets, they deserve it. If it were any other game, I'd proably skip it, but, again, It's WipEout!
I don't know, phl0w. I can't see the masses going for them at this price. Or certainly not more than one pack. The less devoted Wipeout players will likely just move on to the next game.
I'm thinking now it was probably a little hasty of me to buy them so soon without knowing the US situation. I mean, I'm in the position of being annoyed about the ambient sound bug, which never should have got through, and the other many bugs in Pulse. I don't know yet how much will be fixed in the US version, though we know some bugs will be fixed. But then, if I get the US version and can't use the packs I've bought here, that would be crap but I don't even know if I'd be able to buy the packs for the US version because it would have to go through the US store.
So, starting from a bad place of feeling like I've paid to test bugs, as much as I enjoy Pulse (and I do), this has just got a lot more complicated.
And all a bit crap really.
I should have waited until we know what the US situation will be.
I kinda hate that… Not even a picture of the tracks, only one white and one black and 5€ for this… No additional music, no online patch
The second point is i'm on a mac and the PSstore is incompatible with it. I tried to install the downloader via Crossover but it doesn't work. I'm not buying a windows licence for you, Sony.
Well, it sounds like Wipeout isn't ready for the mass market yet…
Dogg Thang,I would buy it too but that I was thinking too.Code:I'm thinking now it was probably a little hasty of me to buy them so soon without knowing the US situation. I mean, I'm in the position of being annoyed about the ambient sound bug, which never should have got through, and the other many bugs in Pulse. I don't know yet how much will be fixed in the US version, though we know some bugs will be fixed. But then, if I get the US version and can't use the packs I've bought here, that would be crap but I don't even know if I'd be able to buy the packs for the US version because it would have to go through the US store.
Foxy, can you enlighten for us please?
stevie:)
I cant comment on that right now, I'm afraid.
This is downright bullshit. I had such a positive view of Pulse and SL before, being under the impression that all this enjoyable content would be free. I like to have some entertainment but not when I have to pay for every little bit of extra content. Everything thrives on money these days, producers selling a minimum of extra's in fancy looking packages and brainwashing everyone into buying it. I'm done with the current gaming industry, and shall go back to Wipeout XL.
Shame that Mirage isn`t available for online. It flies great and has just the right stats for me. I wonder if this is because opponents might not have the download pack, but then it seems you can use the new tracks, and people also might not have them. Maybe the downloadable ships are too good and would unbalance the game?
Given that Pulse was a relatively cheap UMD to buy, and I paid less than a very reasonable RRP of £25, I`m not averse to the idea of buying downloadable content. I`d rather it was all in the original cover price, but I`ll go with it if it`s value for money. We`ve been over all that, imo. But if all the content is going to add 4 lots of £3.49/5euros to the price, and the extra ships can`t be used in multiplayer, then it does seem a little overpriced on top of an RRP of £25. For someone who`s not a Wipeout-nut it`s certainly stretching the value for money concept, at least. Still, better than Puma.
I bought Pulse and with it 24 tracks (white and black runs) for 40,- euros. There's no way I'm going to spend another fiver just for 2 more tracks and another ship! Sorry SL and sorry Sony, I'm not someone to satisfy your greed for money. And as already said, the only ones who will get these packs at that price will be some spoilt-by-their-rich-parents-kids and the real hardcore fans of the series. For me this is just wrong - you're picking the pockets of the people and fans who have helped to keep the series alive and kicking and helped wipeout to become a huge success over the last ten years... :naughty
Amen.
they are up!!?? have to check'em out!
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3.49 or this:
http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/ar...1123722595.jpg
I can't find the coke-bottle craft, it would've had a larger impact :/
So both the ship and tracks are not available for infrastructure? Ad-hoc?
Fascia has a point-- somebody has to foot the bill for development / distribution costs. So the options are to have a more expensive game to purchase initially; to have sponsorship; or to charge for download-able content.
I would MUCH prefer the first option but Sony may have determined that the third option is more effective.
Another thing to keep in mind-- Wipeout Pulse has had poor sales in PAL territories-- never reaching the top 10 of PSP game sales (much less game sales overall).
(UK and selected western European PSP sale rankings for 2007/2008 are searchable here, for those interested: http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.j...=210013&arch=t)
So, I dunno. It's disappointing that Sony is pushing purchase-able DLC for Wipeout games but it's not surprising, either. And dammit, people need to start buying the new Wipeout games or the franchise is going to receive a lot fewer releases :(
I do have one major complaint-- as a mac user, I can't use the Sony store AT ALL-- can't purchase DLC for Pulse, can't purchase the original Wipeout game to play on my PSP, can't purchase the electronic-only version of Wipeout Pure. Sony-- in case you are listening-- if you are going to have an electronic store, and push DLC, you need to make the ****ing store accessible to Mac and Linux people for Christ sakes!!!
And maybe also the option of using Paypal accounts...
Sox, I tested the pack on ad-hoc and you can select the new tracks, but not the Mirage ship. :( Haven`t tried online yet.
I agree with you Frances, one wider issue of this is that game content is difficult to access for some people. Also the Playstation Store should clearly state that Mirage can`t be used in multiplayer. There`s some general disclaimer, but the people putting up the store information should give clearer information there.
Expecting people to pay €20 for 4 tracks and 4 ships is not exactly going to help push those WO sales figures up.
But I agree with you - for a decent amount of content, I'd far rather pay than have sponsership. But 4 tracks and 4 ships for €20 is beyond crazy, especially on top of the initial cost of buying the game.
Does it add a new grid in campaign mode or is it just for racebox ?
It seems the RRP is relatively higher in the Eurozone than in the UK, the accumulating prices do seem pretty crazy there.
Now that I had a look, this is the official information listed in the PSN:
"Full Game Support: 1 Player, Memory Stick Duo™ compatible: 544KB Minimum, Wireless Compatible (Ad Hoc Mode): 2-8 Players, Game Sharing Compatible, Wireless Compatible (Infrastructure Mode): 2-8 Players"
This is really misleading for everyone, I'm sure casual players which are enticed to download the pack only to find out they can't use this online will be REALLY pissed...
I'm wondering why would SL let this classic game get mistreated this much... (bugs, incompatibilities, charging for packs...)
I totally agree that these are tracks that were worked with the game, and now we have the very answer to our initial question, Why would they announce a game that it will include packs downloadable "shortly" after its release? Wasn;t it easier to release it all in one go? There's plenty of space in the UMD! Well, the answer in the end was, money...
And they wanted us to beta test the game for the US release, nice going pals... :mr-t
Same problem here, Frances_Penfold. At least we have another Windows computer here.
Anyway: I won't buy it. 2€ Okay. 3€ Maybe. But 5€? 20€ for 4 ships and tracks? Plus the game? And the ships are not available for multiplayer?
Sony: you just shot yourself in the foot.
Well, oh my God the is utter outrage, how dare Wipeout and SL start this new and previously unseen trend of charging for additional content whilst every other developer is giving it away for free. :rolleyes:
On making that point however, it is in my opinion that £3.50 for a ship and 2 tracks is very greedy and overpriced, try £1.50 like Motorstorm instead of trying to rape my wallet. They even have the utter cheek to put black and white runs in seperate packs and class it as a seperate track!! It's essentially charging for the same track twice and I can only summarize how I feel about that by saying **** right off.
get the icaras pack and forego the rest :coffee
i jst got the mirage one, vostok reef looks nice but if i were to get all 4 packs...
:naughty anyone wanna trade? ;) heh !
That`s it, Stephen, DLC is a fact of life, but the level of the pricing is cheeky. Locoroco for your PS3 costs just £1.99 for the entire game, and the PSN, generally, is very competitive compared to its rivals. On the continent they are potentially looking at 60 euros for the full game.
Having said that, of course I downloaded it. I don`t buy any other games, I`m not really even a gamer, and this is all I want to do with my PSP. You do get a "Mirage Grid" with 14 challenges, let`s hope they`re ball-breakingly tough.
:mr-t finished all 14 challenges in one sitting. they're not ball-breakingly tough at all. i was actually hoping for 1 ship + 4 tracks, and if the ship was playable online , i wouldn't have minded what I just paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by lunar
Maybe the high price has something to do with low sales? I might be wrong but Motorstorm and Loco Roco at least seem far more popular titles than WipEout Pulse.
Just for my clarification-- the new tracks are NOT available for online multiplayer gameplay?
I assume that the new ships and tracks ARE available for online time trial leaderboard rankings, yes?
edit: ok ok.. it's gone
This is an outrage! pure had free content, why doesn't pulse? I want to know who made this decision now! I can feel an angry horde of wipeouters gathering wanting to know the same thing.
Seriously though, I am disappointed in SL and sony, you've go and ruined my day, there I was looking forward to that same felling that I got as downloaded my first pure pack, now I just feel angry and mistreated. We bought pulse, we bothered to spend our hard earned money on a piece of plastic and we are now forced to pay more for extra content when its predecessor had extra content completely free? If the situation doesn't change by the 17th, why it may change the way I feel about wipeout forever.
EDIT:sorry about that, it seems I worked myself up a bit, still a bit miffed about extra content though.
I understand some of your frustraition but stop being an assclown! Remove the name of that site, could get yourself banned for posting it.
I'll second your thoughts completely RR. I'm not crying because you have to pay for the download packs, I always suspected that they wouldn't be free of charge. What makes me angry is the way they're released right now, with only 2 tracks (each only black or white run) and one ship that isn't even useable for online play and the price for the pack is set at one eighth of the price I paid for the full game! For me this just doesn't feel right, but everybody has to make his own choice if they'll buy it or not. I, for one, certainly won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapier Racer