has anything happened with these records as of yet? or contacted keiran
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has anything happened with these records as of yet? or contacted keiran
I came across him on DeviantArt, he said he has the PSN downloads but also said he has the PS1 version, and I've informed him that PSN version times aren't allowed...so we shall see what happens next.
Did he say what he got the times with?
He replied saying he used the PS1 version, he apparently was already aware of the rules for the records and said he wished the zone had a records table for the PC version, lol.
So I guess the question is answered as best it may be, at present.
He posted pics of his times by the way, link here:
http://kdn2197.deviantart.com/art/Ka...L-ver-92411050
thanks for asking him these questions, Medusa. If he would provide it, I`d still like an explanation/description of the Altima times as I can`t see where the time saving can be found. I can understand where your great NTSC times are coming from, but the PAL records seem too fast, though I could be wrong. A Negcon would be needed I`m sure. The Karbo SR times maybe are possible with a lot of turbos.
The screenshot Kieran provided doesn`t seem at all right to me and I still wonder if there is a misunderstanding here. I have the PAL disc version of the original WipEout, which I used to set my times, and the font colour used on the records page that is in the screenshot is red, not yellow. Yellow is used in the NTSC version and PSN versions, red in PAL PS1 disc. I`ve never heard of a yellow-font PAL disc version, but maybe such a thing exists.
If it does exist, I want it of course. :)
I wonder whether he understood me as well. I don't think I explained it as clearly as I should have, and the answer wasn't as clear as I would have liked...but what can you do. I hope he does stop by and explain here, I did ask him to.
If the font colour is wrong than that means the wrong version was used, doesn't it? The others with PAL version Wipeout discs could answer whether they've got yellow/orange font instead of red.
Hi everybody,
I put a lot of new singles race & lap records, but I can't barely remember the ship I used to do them: I did it 10 years ago and was almost playing with Feisar & AG sys, but can't know what ship match with what race, sorry for that.
Hi Zackdem, great to have a new WipEout player :beer Thanks for posting, I think most of your times were probably AG Systems. I don`t think Feisar is fast enough to get some of them - I did check them out :redface: Anyway welcome to the site. :)
Yeah, welcome Zackdem! Nice times by the way. Yeah, I look at them even though I have no times on that table.:redface::redface:
Thank you guys. I just have to say that I am totally unable to do them again now. I try to play again recently but......... :dizzy I'm too old for this :)
I'm happy to see that some people are still interested in this good old Wipe
You`re never too old, I`m sure you would get your skills back, but it might take a while because these are quick times. :)
If you don`t think you can remember the ship, would you consider changing the ship to AG Systems for your times? I`m really sure that you must have used AG Sys, and if you look at your times on the tables you see almost everyone else has used it to get the fast times. I played a lot of original WipEout last year and I think it was only Arridos on Rapier where Feisar could challenge AGS, because Feisar doesn`t bump so much on that track. Excuse me for this, but I love these tables. ;)
Anyway I hope you do get flying again, but maybe not quite as fast as before ;)
Yeh for sure i'll fly again,
with WO HD some good feelings are back but I need more time to have my old WO reflexes back & to learn the new flying technics (I mean barrel rolls and side shift are new for me, I need to pratice that to improve my times) and learn the new circuits.
medusa, is there any way you could ask kieren about his racing lines for those records, or video on youtube or something. If he is doing something different, I would really like to see it. As lunar has pointed out, we thought we had near maxed out the times, especially for TT
I asked him to stop by the forum here and give some explanation. (I think it shows in the comments in the above link I posted?) But as lunar discovered, the picture he posted has the wrong font colour, so that can't be from the correct version, can it?
He sounds like a real fan, unfortunately if he doesn't care enough to come here to defend the times he's posted...well, it seems fishy to me.:- I'd love to be wrong.
I'm curious, what versions of the game could someone hypothetically run to get faster lap times?
Perhaps we should not publicise any cheat techniques.
I don`t think there are any secret cheat methods at all. It`s just that every version of the game is subtly different in speed. If you enter NTSC, PSN, PC, Saturn, modded console, PC-emulated or other times on PAL Playstation tables you`re not comparing like with like. You might as well have a competition in who can invent the lowest time. Not that I`m suggesting that is what has happened here, we have a screenshot. Though that screenshot doesn`t look like decent proof because of the font colour being wrong, afaik, for PAL Playstation.
Another thing that seems odd about the screenshot is why aren`t there any other times on the list under the fastest one, and it`s still the default names? I bet all WipEout players have lists that are all AAAs, or RJOs. Even if he doesn`t have a memory card, in a record attempt session wouldn`t you soon fill up the fastest times list and remove some of the default names? If real this is a very fast time, but how many people just switch on their console and break a record at the first run? Obviously that`s not proof of anything, but it all just doesn`t add up, to me, for that and other reasons including the Altima TT times themselves which require some explanation about turbo-location, necgon setup etc. He could be a dedicated player who really knows his game, but doesn`t seem to care enough to prove it anyway.
What I was attempting to get at, I guess, was that posting a genuine time that you can show a pic of, but which is entered in the tables for a different version is a cheat technique that should not be encouraged. Not that anyone needs our help in inventing ways to cheat. Some people have cheating as their greatest skill. ;)
edit: BTW, if some [or all] of the stuff I'm saying doesn't seem to make sense, it might be because it doesn't because I've not been truly awake and alert for the last few days. [or weeks]
[or somethin'] :g
lunar wrote "I`ve never heard of a yellow-font PAL disc version, but maybe such a thing exists."
I will check it out tonight. my guess is that this is the ntsc version put in the pal records. If it is it should be removed. I'll check all of the versions I can.
thanks Al. It would be weird if there were two different Pal PS1 versions, and I would be interested to know why. And I would want the yellow one ;) I have two Pal copies and both are red.
hey, could someone who owns a wipeout download for ps3 FROM EUROPE ON A EUROPEAN ACCOUNT check out the default times for karbonis single race venom speed for me and post the names, and the times here. thanks
Djr 2.43.0
nik 2.56.0
dar 3.15.0
dom 3.31.0
lee 3.43.0
MEdusa, could you ask him to try and put up a youtube video or something. The testing I did definitely makes me suspect of that time with a dpad, but I would like to see it if it is real.
Awesome work on Altima, really squeezing out the seconds :clap
There never was an explanation for the time, or real proof either. There is no way you accidentally walk into a lap that fast on wipeout 1 without being able to explain the line, especially these times, that I played hours to get to.
There are ways to cheat to make the ship move really fast, but I will not post it here. The way I am suggesting would allow you to turn on the system, and beat the record on the first try, hence only having one default name on the table, so a real proof would be a video, or maybe even a turn by turn explanation of the race
I completely agree, there`s no way to get record laps on a track this competitive in this game without knowing exactly how you did it for every pixel of the lap. Wipeout 1 is such a subtle game, all about finding the perfect combination of the highest possible speed and the most efficient line. Ways of keeping the speed up require almost scientific research, which is tough without ghost ships. I noticed you are moving onto NTSC territory now. Yikes! Energy Critical! Man the Negcons! Or failing that man the lifeboats ;)
I figured since I was on the track anyway, might as well try that one, I race it differently as well since it seems like it slides more than the pal version. It's possible I need to brake and pitch more though
Wowawowa Al! Super times there, great job!:clap (Thank goodness it's been long enough since I've touched WipEout that I'm not driven insane by jealousy. (more insane, that is...) Finally, sweet relief. No more heart attacks looking at the home page, lol.
Sorry I'm so late, you beat me out asking about the YouTube upload.
Kieran Noble on
Dec 13th 2008 @ 11:19 Wipeout (PAL) Altima VII Qirex Venom Time Trial
Lap Time 1:10:60
Kieran Noble on
Dec 13th 2008 @ 10:36 Wipeout (PAL) Altima VII Qirex Venom Time Trial
Race Time 3:37:40
The altima times were updated with slower times ( a few different times) than the original (full race)
The time trial lap time is crap, no way, not with a dpad, and may not even be possible with a negcon. People have asked him at deviant art to prove his time, besides a screen shot. I spent a lot of time with the lap time for altima (three nights), and he beats it no problem with a dpad. Anyway, he has not responded at all. He should be saying how the time was gotten if he really is able to get this sort of time. This should be deleted if he will not show proof. Sorry, but I am pissed about this guy, either making up times or using a gameshark, and then posting times that Lunar, myself RJ, and isadora put so much time into. If he had a different route, there should be issue with explaining his time, but there are not many different routes for this track. Also, when he was asked which version regular or platinum, he said he got the times with the original version. How come then are the fonts yellow. Then he wouldn't answer some other guys question on deviant art about the times for over 5 days
Had a look into the user, their records account references a "KDN" forum account that doesn't exist, so we can't PM. We've given Kieran a lot of time to respond, and without some sort of a response as to what racing line or magical technique was used to get that kind of time, I can only think that it was a data entry error (keyboard mistakes are pretty common) or it was done on the PSP version of WO1 (which is significantly easier to get fast times on I hear) or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JABBERJAW
The rest of Kieran's times (not many, seems to be an Altima VII specialist) are pretty good, but I don't see any argument against them. That TT lap time definitely stands out though. I'll edit it down for now and we'll see what happens.
PM me if there's a reason to change it back and I can re-adjust it.
I'm not sure what is happening, but the time on the wipeout records entered is now 1:12.4. He started with a supposed 1:11.2, then 1;10.6, now a 1:12.4
for single race, his record was a supposed 3:36.4, now it is a 3:37.4. He has been contacted on his website regarding his times by another member, answered some questions, but has given no response there as to how he got his times, it has been a few weeks since the topic came up.
Jay the time for karbonis SR lap is extremely questionable as well. It took me hours to get LUCKY to get that time, although even with a dpad that may be possible with hours of playing, and alot of luck (meaning picking up turbos in specific locations). Minimum of three on lap one in the right areas. Even 4 turbos on lap 2 did not give me this time.
I agree with Al, his times should be deleted until we get proof and explanations, or I think he should be given a deadline to give proof and explanations of very questionable times. His behaviour in entering times is unusual.
Yesterday morning his Pal Altima venom TT times were 3.36.2/1.11.1 for lap and race.
then yesterday he upated to slower times - 3.40.xx (can`t remember the tenths and 1.11.9.
Why did he get rid of his earlier times? If they were legit why replace them?
About 20 minutes after that update he changed his times again to 3.37.4/1.11.4, still slower than Al and his previous "records", but getting closer again.
About 40 minutes after that he changed the lap time to 1.10.6 - a new record and probably unbeatable. As Al explained, this is very doubtful. If someone is going to claim unbeatable times they need to be either a known and trusted person who has done their time of proving themselves in the past, as most have had to do, or they should provide some proof, I think. I think all this times swapping just makes me doubt him more. If he can prove himself well done to him, but at the moment it really all looks very fishy to me.
I think this 1.10.6 now is lower because Task edited it down (thanks).
He will not even explain it on his site, where he talked about the ship he used, but nothing about the race when asked a variety of questions by someone called Wipeouthd. He stopped answering questions about 10 days ago or so, when you read down the comments on the times
Does this explain his behaviour?Quote:
I am also going to delete the records I have uploaded because they are not from the original PS1 version. There is differents beween the Euro PS1 and US & PSN version that I have. The European PS1 version has red fonts and the PSN & the North American version has yellow fonts on them, how can I be an idiot for not knowing the different coloured fonts, it's been a while since I played the first WipEout and I blame my head for not knowing.
The old records will be replaced by the PS1 version records, I have files of the PS1, PC and the Sega Saturn records as well. And I will be editing my times I have put on WipeoutZone.
I still blame myself for not knowing the fonts though.
http://kdn2197.deviantart.com/
What do the fonts have to do with what is on the memory card for the specific games? The records shown on the memory card should be correct, when you put a ntsc disk into the system, it will not load the pal records, but the ntsc ones.
Anyway, at least they were removed, thanks xavier for posting this
Ah, there we go, I was hoping for a response.
So now we know, he was indeed using the PSN version.
His mistake, but those times are definitely not valid in our PS1 tables.
All his times have been deleted!
Let me know if you see any ones I missed.
karbonis sr lap and race time
the PSN times should be on the NTSC table if they were to be added.