Im just glad to be able to play HD/ Fury again as I sold my ps3. I do have a vita and 2048, but soon stopped playing it due to the controls and small screen, but a full HD release on a bigger screen will get me back in. I will gladly buy day one and support this game. FLY HIGH!
I'm sort of wondering about Sony's motives regarding the release date, as surely they would of had got the ball rolling with this remastering a fair while before the PS4 Pro was released.....why are they waiting for release date in 6 months time?
That's why I think it's going to be on a Streaming service.
If it's not on a Streaming service, and does end up being sold as is for download as usual from the PStore, they you got to start thinking about what the motives are.
Look at it this way, you are Sony, and you have a great IP in the Wipeout franchise, but you have left it languishing by not building any new games, so people start looking elsewhere for a similar game.
Sony find out about a similar AG racer that is being made, how far they are in production, and when the first release date of this new game is due.
Sony think, Oh Oh, if we let these guys new AG racing game get traction, it could undermine the worth of the Wipeout franchise, and steal a lot of it's fan base.
It wouldn't be hard to guess that some head honcho at Sony would of come up with a cheaper way other than building a new Wipeout to steal the new games thunder, and that is to bundle the last 3 games together as a remastered version for Sony's latest console, and release it at the same time as the competition......there is no monetary risk for them if they do this.
Somehow, I doubt that Sony actually care about Formula Fusion any more than ensuring they're not pinching their IP. Fact is, Sony are going to make more money with the Omega Collection than R8 will with FF, no matter when it comes out, assuming that FF is going to come out on consoles at all.
If anything, they've made the release date where it is because summer is a prime release window for franchises that aren't quite as popular, like the spunkgargleweewees or annual sports titles. I can only assume it isn't earlier because they want to ensure they can keep the game at 60 FPS at 4K, a feat which is difficult at best even on the Pro. Then you have making room for potential VR support, which would put the hardware under even more stress.
As for why it exists, here's likely why:Sony made a kickstarter for something a while ago (can't remember what, I think it was Shenmue 3?), just to see if people were interested in it. That wasn't a good move, and they're not doing it again. If they fix the issues the games have, as well as removing the godawful multiplayer XP system from 2048, then this is a perfectly valid litmus test to show a boardroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakenator1
What a surprise. I retired ages ago and had just a few hours of WOHD playtime the last two (or three?) years. With this I might consider joining again. Never played 2048 and well, my PS3 BR drive is broken and .. whatever ... why not. Sony pushed some button. Even that the PS4 doesn't have a proper BR-UHD drive I now consider getting one (in summer). We race, we die!
Formula fusion can bugger off now. We've got this.
And maybe JUST MAYBE we could get some extra content/DLC for tracks we missed out on pulse and pure.
And more songs.
Jesus Christ we need more songs.
Better than nothing given we weren't having any news regarding Wipeout. And as it's been said, it can be seen as a preliminary step to a next true Wipeout; but if that's not the intention behind these aren't really good news. I take for granted Wipeout 2048 will have a racebox and an online mode just as the one in HD/Fury. It'd be extremely disappointing if it keeps on with its original crap online system.
This said, I'm really really looking forward to it
To summarize : 2048 offline and online experience were s.h.i.t, let's hope they keep the tracks (that were good) and include them in an HD/Furish format.
That's a very little adaptation, and it will please a lot of us.
Also, if they can add A+ speed on HD/Fury tracks, it will be awesome :p
I actually quite liked 2048, I mean, online is currently barren. Not that it was booming just after release. And it also retconned a handful of lore. But I thought it was fun!
What is the prevailing opinion on it? and why?
I'm excited for Omega Collection though. Happy to get back into HD + Fury. And what I imagine is they will just port 2048 plus the DLC, which included HD + Fury tracks and ships.
I'm hyped af to be able to play this again - and in 4k! Never got the chance to sit down with 2048, so Im glad to try it for real now.
See you guys online summer 2017!!! We gonna fly off with a beat!
I can't wait, really. I thought I would never played WipEout games anymore. But now!!
Also I'm thinking how Zone Mode will look good!
There's one thing I don't understand : will this be a game mixed? Or, you can choose to play WipEout HD/Fury or WipEout 2048? I hope the second choice. Never played 2048 so this will be my time :D
Also I think they will fix bugs, at least I hope. Just thinking of a WipEout HD without scoreboards broken, it's just amazing
Great news, finally! And 2048 will definitely look great on PS4, so if someone missed it, this is a good chance to try it out.
As for myself, I don't know if I will ever get a PS4 but in the case I do, that title will come home for sure!
Gameplay footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-zdzvCbI8
A new article on Eurogamer mentions several new things:
- There will be both a physical and digital release
- All content fully upscaled to 4K@60fps, including 2048
- There is a brand new soundtrack, probably down to licenses expiring
- No VR, which is unsurprising really
- 2048 will be given split screen multiplayer and up to 8 player online. Whether it's a true lobby or the matchmaking system from last time remains to be seen
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-its-ps4-debut
Finally! I'm glad this is becoming a thing. Although, one has to wonder if it's simply coincidence it launches on the same year as Formula Fusion...
I like this snippet from the article above
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There's the hope, too, that Omega will lead on to other things, and that maybe it'll pave the way for an all-new WipEout. "I would hope so," says O'Connor. "It's within the PlayStation DNA. I would hope this would bring new people in who've not played the franchise before, and whet the appetite of those who have played before. It's been a long time since we've had it on PlayStation."
And since they said that Sony have given them access to Studio Liverpools archive, we might actually get to find out what Studio Liverpool had planned for Wipeout back then.....now THAT has me excited.
So, could this mean the franchise is back in the game? Will we get more?
I suppose it depends if Sony wants to pay these two outsourced studios to do it, and if they think them capable of doing it.
Remastering a game wouldn't be as hard as actually building tracks and craft from scratch, but in saying that, I suppose since they have access to the archive, they would just have access to the craft physics of the last 3 Wipeouts at least, if not all of the Wipeouts.
Maybe they might get asked to remaster 2097, WO3SE and the other tracks from PURE & PULSE, and use the craft physics from the OMEGA pack......who knows.....at least there are huge possibilities now.......and some HOPE.:p
Since this OMEGA pack is boasting 4k gaming, and the only way to get that is with a PS4 Pro......just do some reading first....I wouldn't be rushing out to buy a PS4 PRO at the moment, you should read the official PlayStation forums about these console shutting down after only 3 or 4 hours of use straight out of the box, and not turning back on again......Hell, I remember that happening to my FAT BC60G PS3, and a couple of hundred thousand other people around the world as well.....crappy lead free solder was the cause with that indecent...... seems a multitude of problems with the PS4 Pro
USA Playstation forums.
http://community.us.playstation.com/.../td-p/46036840
UK/EU Playstation forums.
http://community.eu.playstation.com/...n/m-p/24696949
Maybe Sony/XDA will try to cobble up some of studio liverpools members to join them like Ami and whoever made HD and 2048 good.
It's been a long time since SL was made no more.
I don't have the mind of a coder, or a game designer, or of a graphic artist for hire.....I don't know what it feels like being hired on 'A Job' bases, so I can't feel what ex Studio Liverpool people are feeling when they read that these new 'Blow - in's' - [no disrespect meant] of gaming studios, get to mess with 20 years of their 'Pride & Joy' with access to the SL archive.
For all I know, it could be like water off a ducks back for a lot of them, and they see it as just part of the business.
I somehow doubt it though.....there is a LOT of LOVE just been handed to these guys.....sort of like watching the Love of your Life suddenly screwing somebody else......your not going to like it.
Maybe some old SL guys will get consulted/re-hired? One can only hope :)
Edit: the article above actually says they have a few SL people onboard, so there you go!
Martin Turton is at Clever Beans and he was a hugely talented guy that worked on 'Pure.
He left for a dream job in the 'states before it was completed (a decision he agonised over), but he was of such importance to the project I believe he still got paid his completion bonus despite leaving.
With guys like that involved it'll be a job done well. :)
Glad to see the vote of confidence, Foxy!
Still a bit bummed about the lack of PSVR support. Could have been glorious. Alas, I can dream, right? :D
I'm very much looking forward to this, will look fab in 4K HDR. Shame not a new WO per se, but it's a start and if it receives the appropriate support more will hopefully follow.
I do wish for a 2097/3(SE) update / add-on pack for future download and would love VR integration one day but fear it may need to be toned down quite a bit to not induce a Scanners scenario.
Please excuse me cutting and pasting my comments from another forum...
Mixed feelings about this. Of course I'm happy to be getting a version of 2048 that does the game justice, and I'm glad to hear they're tweaking the visuals further.
I've commented on my love for 2097 and 3 (more satisfying handling model, graphic style, soundtracks) already and I accept that these games will forever be live on via emulation.
However, just looking at the content available from the 'modern' Wipeout games (Pure, Pulse and their DLC that HD was based on), and the fact they’re calling this a 'remaster', there is so much more that can be done here.
- Some more updated tracks, please! Pure and Pulse have a vast library to choose from, all designed for the modern engine and ready to go. Make them DLC if you absolutely have to. Sebenco Peak, Blue Ridge, Statten Park, Sinucit and Citta Nuova from Pure. Arc Prime, De Konstruct, Basilico, Platinum Rush, Vertica, Outpost 7, Edgewinter, Vostok Reef, Gemini Dam, and Orcus from Pulse. I'll bet hardly anyone has even seen those last four before (they were kinda expensive DLC) and they're great. The tracks designs need no work, it's be as simple as updating the textures and poly count, which they're already doing elsewhere. Some of the 'organic’ tracks (trees, etc) could look amazing in the new graphic style.
- Zone mode graphics. These were cut back last minute on PS3 due to epilepsy concerns. Seriously. Get them in there, put a health warning on it if necessary. I really want to see this mode as it was intended to be, or how far it can be taken. Other games have come since that take the visuals further do it shouldn't be a problem any more.
- Surely some kind of VR or 3D support (its already in the PS3 game) without the FPS drop could make it in there?
I really feel like the Omega Collection could become the framework for the ultimate Wipeout mega mix. The content is there, HD started the concept albeit in a very 'lite' way and provides a very solid foundation to build upon. If it has to be DLC then I can live with that but there's too much of Studio Liverpool's excellent content to go to waste.
Add it stands, while I'm glad 2048 is in there, it's hard to get excited about the yet another rehash of HD's limited track set.
So, to support this in the hopes it may lead to a true 'next-gen’ Wipeout? I guess I'll have to, reluctantly. Sony, I know it was never the biggest earner (despite being remembered fondly by so many) but there will ALWAYS be a market for new Wipeout.
And...
While ANY new Wipeout is always an amazing thing, and I'm happy that 2048 will (hopefully) get the version it deserves (it was hard work on the Vita's small screen and the framerate wasn'tt adequate), I'm a little disappointed that we're getting yet another version of the Pure/Pulse/HD set of tracks.
When I saw 'collection' in the title I was hoping to see a mention of 3 or 2097. Like a lot of people, I'd love to see a return to those artistic styles, handling models and a focus on racing. Everyone has their favourite and 3 will always be mine (minimalist graphic style, refined handling, track selection, Sasha soundtrack).
Still disappointed about the demise of SL/Psygnosis.
Perhaps we could at least get a few more tracks updated for this version? Even just looking at Pure, Pulse and their DLCs (surely an easy conversion as these are what HD was based on), there are plenty more decent tracks that could be included. Pure was probably the most coherent of the 'new gen' Wipeouts imo.
And how about reinstating the true Zone mode graphics, which were cut from HD at the last minute after being deemed a health risk and too epilepsy inducing? I want to finally see the visuals as they were intended!
As nice as HD still looks today you could go to town with today's modern lighting and shader effects.
Full disclosure: Wipeout was the reason I bought a PSX, PSP, PS3 and Vita.
About damn time. My PS4 was collecting dust. Now it has purpose once more. Now the only question remains: Will the custom soundtrack return?
Very surprised by this.
Couple of things though:
* Really would prefer the original handling scheme for HD/F, pre-"fix" for the speed exploit. I'm not sure exactly what the problem was, but the fix seemed to neuter high level play. If something could be done to return regular play to the pre-fix state while still keeping the exploit from making a return, that would be wonderful.
* I really, really didn't like the handling model in 2048. It's so finicky it turns playing for records into an antifun grind; and for beginners, it makes the game even worse because they'll always be smashing into things no matter what. Trying to level the playing field by forcing good players to make mistakes as well is the wrong way to go about it. Thus, I'd like it if 2048's tracks were able to be played with HD/F ships & handling; with the bonus of being able to play them with super phantom selectable from the racebox. In fact, if Omega just had 2048's tracks, that would make the overall package superior, IMO. Maybe just have the ships as unlockables as the Fury ships are to HD's ships, only give them the same stats as the Fury variant so they can be playable across the whole game.
If those aspects are guaranteed, I would definitely end up getting a PS4+this game. HD/F is the only console-only game from the last decade I've really enjoyed, and felt wouldn't be entirely eclipsed by a PC variant. Having access to the 2048 tracks and being able to play them with a decent handling model and with a proper controller, and being able to motion-pitch with the DS4, would be too tempting.
Wow that is interesting to know, I looked for it online and I did found some footage.Quote:
Originally Posted by xdirex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G-SNDHzrFo
2048!!
wicked. we can play on some new maps now!
i wonder what effect this will have on the playerbase of both HD fury and 2048...
i dont see differences...Quote:
Originally Posted by miljoneir
to be honest, there's no real need for custom soundtrack, cause PS4 has Spotify ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Light Buster
and USB-Music Player. get an USB-stick with all your favorite music on it, there'ya go. it works with all games, except PS2 emulation (don't forget to mute the ingame music!)
True, but the equalizers on the tracks in HD/Fury still animated even with the music muted. It's also irritating to go out of the game to change/start to your music and go back in the game, this didn't feel right at least for me. I personally liked the music to be on sync with the game. And if you ever watched my Zone videos, the track equalizers also play in sync with the custom music as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JFthebestJan
That's not forgetting the shenanigans with server connections leaving the game causes.
Assuming that happened with HD, and not just 2048. It's just easier for a lot of people to use their own music, instead of paying for yet another thing where you don't even own the music. (seriously, I buy my CDs, the record companies can bugger off if they think they can come over and take them :D)
I hate my attention to detail, but there is an alpha blending issue with the ship exhaust trail and the new shield effect. The trail goes dim when the shield is on, you will notice on the Triakis segment. The missile also produces the rocket sound effect when exploding off target. Where do I go to annoy the people responsible for this travesty?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmOD9ia2n24
Well done to IGN for actually having a competent player though.
I'm so happy that those who missed out on the sublime 2048 will get it on SUCH a powerful home console. The handling was a huge step forward as was the overall aesthetic.
Not an easy job to do 2048's style justice I'd say which is why we haven't even seen an screenshot yet.
Oh goddamnit, now I'm never going to unsee that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkdrium777
it's pre-alpha footage, so no worries ;) I hope the game will be optimized for regular PS4 as well. no less than 1080p/60fps i expect. if they just going for 4k PS4 pro and don't care for the normal PS4 version, I'll skip the game !Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkdrium777
Well, between this and Crash Bandicoot I'll be buying a PS4. It would be cool to race with all the people I met playing WipEout HD/Fury once more.
would be a cool thing to integrate PS4 / PS3 / vita crossplay as well ...
That's a bug, or completely unrelated to the shield, as it doesn't happen near the end of that same race ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkdrium777
And yes, agreed with JF, making crossplay with vita & PS3 would be absolutely amazing, one can hope :)
ps3 and ps4 are two different hardware and soft systems... there 's no crossplay ( obviously online ) between ps3 and 4 in other game , i think . So ......
A new game with old features ( or an old game with new features ???? ) , that's what we will get imao.
Sorry guys , you'll have to buy a PS4 .... :beer