We don't know yet, I cannot get online with my account. I hope so, and that is where the problem is right now, no one responding to important questions from our forum.
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We don't know yet, I cannot get online with my account. I hope so, and that is where the problem is right now, no one responding to important questions from our forum.
I also try to obtain elite pass on all kind of events ! Only one left for combat, but it's a pain in the arse, 100 pts required and i'm at 81 atm :bomb
After that, 4 zone events and 2 A+ challenges of the 3 i already unlocked.
I highly recommend people in the know to contact SL at this point. Leungbok has played through all three seasons elite, and no TT or Single Race option has been opened up. Even if it opens up after a A+ challenge, that is WAY too hard for any new wipeout player to accomplish. not one question has been answered up until this point regarding the gameplay options, it seems as if IGNORE ANY GOOD INPUT has been put into play, and the situation will blow over, and people will buy the game anyway. Let me assure you that you will be pissed with these options at this point. Why not a reply like " we are working on this". Or, " that's just how the game is going to be" or, " you do have all these options, you need to do xyz first".
It really feels now that single player will only be events and single lap, which is a travesty considering the great gameplay. Just to change the game, the best parts were taken out. I can't comment too much on multiplayer, but it seems events there too, with voting, and NO options besides these. This WILL kill the multiplayer experience very quickly without the standard options as well for choosing races. We don't look forward to a new event coming march 15, 7 laps, empire climb, kill 4layer goal, ect. We wouldnt mind playing that, but what we really look forward to is coming home, setting up some races with our options, then racing, or finding a race with the settings we like, then joining. There is absolutely no reason to take these out, nor is there any reason not to add them back into the game quickly with an update.
The only reason to not do this is because the debs want to say, " this is our game, and we are not going to change it no matter what".
Sometimes there are reasons for people to be upset, and you need to listen to the problems and solutions that are presented. This is most certainly one of those times.
Sorry for double post, but I needed to add one thing
It is not a nice thing to IGNORE your biggest fan base, to never reply to any suggestions, complaints, or reccommendations from people who love your games. These suggestions regarding controls and gameplay options have been presented months ago, by forum and by letter regarding these very same topics, and seem to have been ignored completely ( with the exception of reverse braking) in favor of making a game that deletes all the great things it had in it. There was no reason not to have both campaign AND racebox, or an equivalent of that.
Hey guys! long time - no see :)
I've been lurking for a while, trying to decide whether to get a Vita w/2048 or not.
Ignoring the fact that 32Gb cards won't be available at launch here in DK (other markets are apparently more important), it seems that 2048 isn't quite what I want either :(
My main focus would be on TT/SL since I would be using the Vita where there's little to no network coverage, thus making on-line almost irrelevant for me. Not being able to just select a track and go for a 100 lap jaunt puts me off quite a bit. Not being able to customise the controls would also mean me learning a new control set - I'm to old and set in my ways for that, dammit! :p
Still, it is WO. I'll keep an eye on this thread. Hope to see you on the tracks sometime.
Edit: From the livechat:
3:14 [Comment From LiamLiam: ]
How substantial is the tournament mode
3:14 Michael Pulst:
there is no tournament mode in Wipeout 2048.
wait, what?
It really seems like it is only events and SPEED LAP, which really is frustrating not to have the options. If you haven't noticed this is frustrating. :(
I like how we keep finding stuff like that. I get a nervous chuckle every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic-dk
But seriously. Put what's good in WipEout back into it SL.
Yeah, exactly.
I really (really!) want to be excited about this, especially since Al and Leungbok both seem to think there's a good game hidden in there somewhere. That's the vibe I get at least, please correct me if I'm wrong :)
I like the Vita as such, I think 2048 looks incredible and I like the look and feel, despite it looking more modern than HD and Pure...
But... Al's list some of those things that made e.g HD great for me. And the no racebox/no tournaments/no custom controls kinda puts me off.
I won't be getting a Vita from launch, especially because of the memory card situation, but I really hope 2048 will look somewhat familiar after a few patches. Anyone remember HD's multiplayer at launch? :lol
Despite i didn't finished the solo campaign and didn't unlocked everything yet, my global impression on the game is very positive.
But first i will talk about the negative points :
- loading time : yes, they're a bit long (less than pulse ps2 anyway).
- SL/TT(the few ones from the campaign's nodes) without turbos. IMO the speed laps already are very interesting to race with the different routes available on each track (skill cuts), and also the tactical caracteristics of the various ships, mostly the prototype types, like the feisar which ability is to fill a speed gauge each time it hits a speed pad or the AG-Systems able to do 2 rotations for BRs with stronger boost and ehnanced side shifts (but other "classic" ships are great also depending the tracks/route ;)). Longer and more tactics tracks than HD makes TT/SL already very interesting, but yes turbos could increase possibilities and fun.
- The lack of single races, time trials (all tracks/speed classes), combat races (who need that ? :p) and tournaments is a pity.
- AI is uber-cheated on the most advanced challenges :lol (but some will take that as a positive aspect ;)).
I don't know about the online campaign, i can't go in multiplayer races with my european account, but i can see the leaderboards, the friends connected and their advancement in the campaign directly in the game.
positive aspects :
- Graphics are unbelievable for a handheld, i find most of the tracks nicer than HD's one (who already is my best looking game of ps3). Sol is graphically my favorite (and one of my favorite in terms of gameplay).
- tracks paths are awesome, the different skill cuts give several different tactics to win a race (taking some skill cuts will prevent you to take other ones like on unity park).
- longer and wider tracks. Even if the tracks are wider than HD's ones, their size and the difficulty of some turns or chained turns makes them very challenging at higher speed classes.
- The speed. Probably the most important aspect of the game. 2048 at super phantom is faster than HD or pulse. My feeling is that C class in 2048 (flash) equals rapier in HD. That game is very fast, one of the faster wipeouts.
- No 60 fps but a very smooth and well programmed 30 fps, i don't see the difference with HD on speed laps at super phantom, maybe some frame drops in some sr against AI, but nothing very significant.
- Difficulty. very easy at the begining (season 2048 ) it's very progressive and the last challenges of the campaign become really hard. The A+ challenges are way harder than the elite phantom sr from HD, mostly because of the uber-cheated AI which hit a top 10 rank at each race (i'm ranked 5 on queens mall A+ challenge and i only beat the AI of one second, lol).
- More strategy in the ships choice, i already spoke about feisar and AG-Systems prototypes, but other prototypes have cool characteristics. Auricom prototype is a fighter type ship, he can hold his lines whatever hits it (weapons, ships) but he can't pick up defensive weapon (green pads), qirex is also a fighter type prototype and if he can't pick any items, he's equiped with an infinite and powerfull canon (it reminds me a cheat code from 2097, the old school members will confirm... or correct ;)).
- ghost management. For a speed laper like me, it's awesome. You can race as usual without ghost, with your best one but also with the ghost of the pilot of your friendlist the closest from your record (the one just in front of you), and you can do the same with the guy just in front of you in the rankings, even if he's not on your friend list. It's very enternaining ! :D
- The handling/gameplay : IMO it's simply the best wipeout on this aspect.
Al will give is thoughts on that, to me it's a mix of HD (with side shifts and BRs) and older wipeouts (2097 is the closer IMO) for the floaty/slidy ship's behaviour. Like in older wipeouts, at the higher speed you reallyyyyy have to anticipate the turns to avoid the walls. Wall hits don't stops you neat, but the slow down is significant (i compared with my ghosts ;)). Lines still rules !
- weapon : atm i didn't saw something new except the qirex proto weaponry or the rockets which are one for the speed ships, 2 for the agility's ones and 3 for the fighters. The slow down from weapon hit is less significant than on HD (well, if your hitted by two close range rocket shoot you'll stop anyway :lol).
Yes, we can regret the lack of racebox mode, tournaments (even if that way we'll have less 12 empire climb's races C class, pilot assist extreme on :p), a game based on campaign (offline, online), the details changing the sl/tt competition (no turbos), but in any case we can say that game was made quickly or casualy. The devs did a great job and it's the must have of the psvita, even more than uncharted golden abyss.
The devs did some choices, it's respectable, but we can disagree and tell them.
karl Jones already talked of an incoming DLC, maybe it's still time to implement some stuffs in that one that makes old timer (the base) fans happy and more enthusiasts with the game.
- racebox with tt/sl/sr/combat/tournaments/zone.
- custom controls
- turbos for each lap of sl/tt
- patch for loading time
- more tracks and teams
- livery editor (as promised)
- time trial online (:p)
Nice review, would you consider this game, the best in the series to introduce new player in the franchise ? because i tried to introduced WipEout in WipEout HD to many of my friends but they stop playing at flash speed because the game became too hard and they hit a lot of wall (even in Moa Therma and Anualpha Pass :rolleyes:)
also i agree with the decision of Studio Liverpool to remove the turbo boost for speed lap (dont really care for time trial) since everyone is using his turbo at the end of the lap to get the boost in the second lap and that make you use 2 turbo in a lap and making half of your lap useless because you dont use the turbo until the end...
All of those should be free except track and teams (and new gameplay modes.)
DLC was done the right way in HD (very much less so in Pulse, and PurE while ideal is not viable now unfortunately) so I'd like to see more of that instead of nickels here and dimes there.
"At least" in a DLC. Off course i've nothing against free patches ! ;)
3 best reasons to get 2048. That ghost feature sound, well, amazing! I remember battling, and losing, O_BRs ghost om Amphirev for 2 weeks. It's real motivation when the ghost is someone you know :pQuote:
Originally Posted by leungbok
Thanks for the rundown, Leungbok. I kinda look forward to it now, despite it's obvious shortcomings - I'll wish for crappy weather this summer, so I'll have an excuse ready to buy a Vita!
I agree with just about everything he said
1) combat mode is not good, incredibly choppy because you have to stay in the mix, not too worried about this however, in that I will never play it again after the game is beaten
2) while Leungbok thinks that the racebox missing is a shortcoming, and should have been in, I think it is terrible that it has been removed from what would have been a really incredible experience. A very bad oversight as to knowing what wipeout fans love about the game. I am hoping it gets back in soon, even being told it would be in in a month would be great, Single and multiplayer choices, that is where wipeout is really at. It knocks the game down over one letter grade if not more because of this oversight.
3) I wouldn't say the best controls:) however, it is imo the best of the last 5 games by far, and if they added custom controls and racebox (or exact equivalent), it would start getting into the mix of the first three games for me. I really love the gameplay
4) not really floaty, but the flying is great. I think it gets in the air more than HD because of the speed increase. The slide is like pure xl combo, you can get out of control easy if you are not on the ball.
5) the game is far harder despite the wider track sections than HD, it is not even close. The skill cuts, are skill cuts, and it is difficult many times to stay off the wall
6) A newbie can perform well in this because of the wide tracks, but it will be very difficult for them after season one if they follow the easy routes, they will not get elite passes to unlock things. That is where the racebox would help immensely, no new players are going to be able to unlock everything in single player campaign.
7) I like that the campaign is difficult, some things near impossible, that is great, just make is so you eventually open everything up if you play enough hours, also once again a racebox sort of thing would be good to help this along.
8) turbos would be great in tt, but it is very fast already. I think they should be in, but not a deal breaker. For speed lap, I can see why they took them out, but have no real opinion on it as I don't play that as much. I think most speed lapers would like it in, so I'll side with that
A better introducer to the serie than HD ? hmmm, i'm not really sure. Maybe the difficulty at the begining of the campaign is lesser than HD, because of the wider tracks and the comfortable C speed class. It's more accessible at first IMO, but if they plan to finish the game 100% with all the elite pass, it's another story ! At C and B speed classes, the main routes of the tracks is accessible for newcomers except maybe sol and altima, and the AI is easy to beat to half of 2049 season. Pilot assist also can help, it gives more the feeling of being in control than on HD and have 2 settings (normal and extreme) but overrun are still possible with it on, the ship's choice also can help newcomers depending if they want to be fast, destructive or stable. But A and A+ speed classes and skill cuts mastering are only for experimented pilots (except for the one of empire climb ;)).Quote:
Originally Posted by lanceurdehache
Lol, the same for me i can't win the last combat event in elite on altima, i have to rely on lucky pick up and my best is 95pts :brickwallQuote:
Originally Posted by JABBERJAW
I totally agree, when i jumped in the all new sol track in single race at A class, i missed a lot a mode to learn a bit the track. Unlock, at least, the speed laps only when you finish the campaign is a bit tough, lol !Quote:
Originally Posted by JABBERJAW
Just confirmed from kateru ( SP) that TIME TRIAL and SINGLE RACE are NOT on the racing grid like Speed Laps. This means we have to select from events, this is absolutely horrible, having to find an event to compete on. I don't even think all the tracks are opened up for tt's and single races at all the speed classes, and even if everything was, that is not the way to choose a race. Once again, back to the main thing, I sincerely hope SL is looking at this and saying,
1) " ok, we like what we did, but see these shortcomings on the front end, let's put something in place so our game will last much longer and players can choose what they like to play and controls they want to use.".
2) Let's hope they are not saying this, "screw them, this is the game and that's final, we will add tracks, and ship skins, but nothing else."
At this time it seems #2 is quite possible since there has been no hint of any response to important questions.
This is too bad because it's really a small thing to add. Only thing I can think of is: Wipeout doesn't sell much in Japan, so Studio liverpool doesn't care too much at this point, and they're preparing a day one patch for US and PAL release. I'm still confident.
I'm preparing myself to see this 0.1% of dev effort that break 50% of the game remain for ever... :brickwall
What's the difference between a speed lap and time trial again? Is it the amount of laps or ghost ships or what?
In wipeout speed lap is one lap, time trials are several laps. ;)