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I'm not gonna comment on the main theme of your post, but as to it not giving you the boost sometimes, usually that's because you didn't complete the barrel roll in time, there's usually an audio cue to let you know that your ship has hit the deck.
your mileage may vary, but I've found that to be the only reason for not getting the boost myself. what I find a bigger problem is the times when it simply refuses to initiate the barrel roll
Yes, initiating the barrel-roll may be a bigger problem. Its too fiddly to pull off, and sometimes it just doesn`t work. Or it will roll a second or so after you l-r-l, and thus be too late to get the boost effect.
I accept your point about not completing it in time - this is mostly the case. Though sometimes I`ve done the roll, got the boost sound effect, but not got the boost itself. In some places there is such a fine line between completing the roll or not that whether you get the boost or not is almost beyond your control. Try the first little jump on Vineta K and you`ll see what I mean.
I think the barrel roll definitely needs to take off some shield energy, for a strategic quality, as mentioned before. however, I fully understand that it can be annoying at times when you don't have enough energy left to do a roll whenever you feel like it. AND, I just had the idea that would solve this problem completely, without taking away the challenge, but actually adding to it. THERE GOES: FULL ENERGY REPLENISHED UPON PERFECT LAPS! as easy as that.
great idea. anybody in liverpool listening?
I disagree.
While I like the idea of rewarding perfect laps, the flip side of that is that it would punish too harshly for the slightest scrape. It would end up being the case that, as soon as you touched the wall, you would just quit the race and start again because you would know you won't be able to barrel roll to a better time.
Possibly just a slight increase in energy with perfect laps but then that also disturbs the balance of the ships too, making shield strength even less of a consideration than it already is (which isn't much). Nah, I think SL got this one right as is. Or, as Lunar suggests, drop it altogether.
I think this happens if you've just activated a Turbo Pickup, either before the jump, or whilst soaring. Personally, I find the Barrel Roll easy to do, even on the faster classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by lunar
Note that I use the D-Pad and not the Stick
I changed from pad to stick because I can only do them reliably with a stick...... :?:
I agree they`re easy enough to do on big jumps if you`re concentrating. I think its the ad hoc barrel rolls off small steps and bumps that detract from the game and change its focus, when playing for times. If barrel rolls were unlimited it would make this even worse. Maybe there could have been barrel-roll zones, with it being impossible to do them elsewhere. Not sure if this is a practical idea though.
DT: good thinking.
On tracks like Modesto and Chenghou at Phantom TT it really can get uncertain whether you`ll be able to do two rolls per lap and still make the end in one piece. This adds a lot of tension to the game, which is good.
Also of note to this argument is that barrel rolls, energy loss and all, work in Zone mode. "You'll not notice it!" you claim? You may just on syncopia, i just had a rare blast around there and pulled off two accidental barrel roles on the wall-less drops section. Simply get a little off line and corrective action may just, as it did with me, result in a barrel roll! This should have been disposed of! :mr-t
Yeah, that unintended barrell roll thing can happen in Phantom too because there are a lot of places that you are technically in the air.
ive been reading this topic and i havent got pure yet because i live in england :cry:
and i hear you talking about barrel rolls, does this mean that when you fly off the edge of high ledges you can roll, if so what is the button :?
watch this movie and you will know what a barrel roll is :D
>> click here!
you press left - right - left or right - left -right quickly on the pad or stick.
its not just high ledges that enable you to barrel roll either. You can do it off a suprising number of lower locations, particularly in the faster classes.
and btw just because you live in England doesn`t mean you can`t have a PSP and Pure, though there`s not so long to wait for the official euro release now. :D
Ha! Finally a vdo of pure with some Good speed in it! http://www.geocities.com/zargz/leenden/ok.gif
i think the official release date is 1st september, i recently went to florida a few weeks ago and went into a game shop and asked for a demonstration on pure 8) . it was exellent! :lol:
I didn't want to buy a psp. til I saw wo pure. so it was a must. there's the fever again...
The idea of killing the barrel roll and making it way faster is a nice idea. I don't mind the roll, I kinda like it, but if that is what it would take to make it move faster, I'm all for it. Powerdrome had one great Idea. If you do not hit for a certain amount of time you recieved a turbo. this could be instilled in pure in that if you did not hit for 10 seconds you would recieve the same amount of energy back that a barrel roll takes off, this way, you wouldn't barrel roll if you knew you were going to hit the wall because of it.
That would be cool - kind of like Burnout 2, except that instead of building up a boost by taking risks, you build up boost by good piloting. :)
The barrel roll is just the hyperthrust feature a bit snazzed up I think.
That isnt too bad is it?
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+1 on Al's idea; sounds very practical and um... ethical and um... aesthetically right
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Not hitting the wall is its own reward..... and results in faster lap times even without giving you extra turbos. It could lead to what DT described above - more restarts because you know you don`t have a chance after a slight wall hit.
What I would like to see is an end to the separation between lap and race times which you get in Pure TT, aswell as in 2097 when not using the Piranha. Because of the boost over the start line trick you can either go for lap records or race records at any one time. You`re very unlikely to get your best possible lap record while going for a best race time. Barrel rolls add to this, because in a race time attempt you will do better to budget them over the race, but in a lap time attempt you`ll just go all out for everything. In Pure you`d be crazy to use anything but Free Play for lap records, which means you have two different game modes for lap and race time attempts. I`m being really perfectionist, but I think this separation between lap and race times is unsatisfactory and I would like to think there could be a solution apart from having a 2097 Piranha type supership.The nice thing about that Piranha is you just race for all records - lap or race - at the same time.