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Merlin group is deadly got Barnsterz Pirparac Woopzilla and it goes on
TBH, I'm surprised that I'm a seed over some players (I'm only online level 40 and have never competed in any online events like Avalon, Xpand, etc.), and there are a lot of signed up players who are really good and yet unseeded...
However, the seeds are just to help divide the pool and reduce the chances of really good players being eliminated in round one. If you're good enough to beat most seeds, good for you, and you could do well in the tournament - and that should probably be more important to you than being on a list generated by people you mostly don't, or barely, know.
There are definitely a decent number of unseeded players IMO that are really good and could get pretty far, and I'm sure there's a decent possibility of seeded players getting knocked out round 1 (probably just jinxed it for me right then :P).
I think quitting because you supposedly aren't in the top 64 most favourited to win is beside the point of the cup, which is just to have nice, gigantic, WOHD tournament. The people who are taking charge of the event are just trying to make things fair, and I think they're doing a fine job so far. No one is doing this for money - it's all just for fun. And bragging rights :P
Your probably better off being a seeded pilot as it means you won't meet another seeded pilot at least until round 3
On the other hand you could face off with one of the many very good unseeded pilots in the first or second round and still get to wear your bottom as a hat. I spot at least 3 or 4 unseeded players in my group I rather wouldn't want to face in any round.
While all the seeded players are good, you're only as good as your last race and I too expect a few upsets in the first round.
Oh and it is rather amusing someone actually is insulted not to be seeded. Get over yourself and prove to the world how good you are!
Me Also wouldn't be surprised if some of the seeded players will be defeated in the first or second round... There are lots of unseeded players with skill, who will get people surprised I guess.
P.s Sorry fellow raptors, my real life has been busy last few weeks but I'm off for 2 days now, so I will contact the unconfirmed pilots of my merlin group TONIGHT! Peace
no worries R3BU5ER, we still have time. As you said guys, we'll probably see lots of surprises round 1. Amplificated, you're in the seeded player list regarding your overall wipeout HD career. As I said, we based ourselves on :
-Online rankings
-Connavar Rankings
-Avalon tournaments
-Other Zone tournaments
-Common knowledge of the level playing field
When I'm doing a search on Connavar's website with your name, I easily understand why you're seeded. When I'm doing the same search wth akirapill, I don't see someone able to beat half of the seeds, even a seed who retired last year, or an injured seed playing with one single hand or his foots. Seriously I can't understand people sometimes. Did you ever see me one single time bragging about my speed lap times?
Of course we had to make a choice, otherwise we would have around 100 seeded players.
PS : They fked my access at WZ once again at work, so see you guys later around 17h gmt+1.
I know Kanar, Just wanted to keep you informed :)
And you're right About the seeded player list. People can complain about it, but it has no use at all...the connavar is discutable though, many pilots haven't or couldn't ( like me) filled in any times there. And there could tactics be used against the titans. There will be surprises indeed. Let's rock wipers!
Erm okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by akirapill
I'm retired now (been so for about a year) but let me just give you what I know.
I've played against or know everyone on the seeded list but the following people:
AIIRW0LF
CHRIS-_REDFIELD
FLAFLASAT
MORFEO378
PP234
That means that everyone else on the seeded list has:
-Been playing the game for two years, including online play; or
-Been active in the community enough that I recall their names somehow.
And that's not entirely accurate even because now that I think about it real hard I recall seeing AIIRW0LF posting on the forums here and CHRIS-_REDFIELD from maybe an online race?
Also, that's not the end of it. From the players left unseeded, there are many more who have been playing for equally as long that I know for certain.
What I'm doing is putting this in perspective. You said you are better than half the seeded players (Who were chosen by a group after careful consideration.) That also means you are better than the unseeded players I know of who are also very good (In theory land anyways.)
If you are this confident in yourself, why did you back out?
It's a shame because even though it's a tournament it isn't all about winning it's also about being a part of it in some way. I can't race but I was motivated enough to make these boards you see, because this whole thing is for the whole community.
Now you will be missing out on your occasion, just because of a list that in fact doesn't really mean much because if you are the best you will win (Unless there's some bad luck.)
Too bad I guess, but I hope that now with what I told you you realize that you were not the only one who is good (probably I haven't raced you I don't think) but unseeded. Don't be insulted next time if there is another occasion.
Bhu Bhu,im not seeded.Come on folks,if someone thinks they are so fuc... good. Just race and kick their ass:twisted.( If you can)
:):+erich123
I don't know why some people take the seeded list so personally. Its just a mild indicator to try and get the groups to have a nice mix of players. I'm greatly looking forward to some potential big upsets in round 1!!
@D777
You must have raced morfeo???? He's the fast, friendly Spanish lag machine :beer
Personally, for me, it's hard to tell how good someone is when you have maybe raced them 5 times in two years. I can imagine a few people upset with not being seeded, the best way to answer that is show your worth on the track and prove us wrong. Time will tell if we got it right with the seeds or not.
I'm not really bothered about whos on the seeded list (I wasn't expecting to be
on it anyway), it's the way it's been set up, it's like saying your all good and
the rest of you are just here to make up the numbers, yea it'll be more likely for
two big names from the list to be in the final, but do we want that? Wouldn't
we rather have random races where the is a slim chance, but still a chance
that someone we've never heard of will be in the final. Yea all the good players
are more likley to get there but the way it is now the underdog has no chance
of getting through the group stages.
Do you see what I mean?
No one here is to "just make up the numbers".
It would be impossible to do this without each and every one of us.
no, because im going to win anyway :P
I do see what you mean, but every knockout competition in the world is done like this, if it's good enough for the darts it's good enough for us. :+
We probably could of picked 100 seeded pilots if it would of suited the layout of the competition board.
I think Kanar chose the correct amount, any more than 25% of the field would of been overkill.
I'm not expecting to last very long at all in this tournament, I haven't played seriously in ages, just a few quick games now and then, I'm just in it for the fun of it.
I prefare the way the FA Cup is drawn which had no seeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB1971
:P You have a point there! But it's not the way Kanar wants it and I happen to agree with him, I hope you reconsider though.
And Kanar I played you the other week, and after I thanked you for the torney invite? You remember where you didn't win a single race? Laught that off.
Or like the soccer world cup....Italy, France and Holland in one group WTF!Quote:
Originally Posted by akirapill
But this is little different with sudden-death from the start.
Actually Akirapill, I sort of agree with you. I would also have liked to see it drawn that way, but it just isn't. And I'm totally fine with it. And I totally disagree with the way you're posting your 2 cents here. Very immature and sad. Too bad man. :paperbag
Your saying I shouldn't post about the Wipeout HD Cup in the Wipeout HD Cup
thread? I'm just having a discussion about it, Kanar shows up and laughs at
me? I defend myself. Who immature? Forget it, I wont post in this thread
anymore.
Good luck to everyone anyway. Hope you all have fun.
No akira, that's not what I'm saying! To start your post like this is immature!
So when you disagree with some of the rules you just quit? And when I say something about it you react like this; well I won't post anymore...you guys have fun blabla...I just think that's immature. Or childish..if you like. Well, if you feel better now, I'm happy. Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by akirapill
So someboday takes the blue pill, so what guys? The rest of us can still take this tourney to where it should be, back to the good old roots of wipE'out".
LEt's bE friEnds! LEt's forgEt all this Ego garbagE, put the gamE to whErE it should bE: friEnds in spEEd!
Blah blah blah who wins onlinE blah blah...this is wipEout--it's always been a lot about luck and chance.
LEt's havE somE fun Everybody! :)
THANKS, my friend - We will for sure!!! :rock (That´s what it´s all about after all!)Quote:
Originally Posted by akirapill
I actually agree with akira, but he could've chosen his words more carefully. Rather than being so blunt you could've just said you think a system without seeded players would've been more fun and I agree with that. :)
And I'm sure you'll understand not everyone can be a seeded player, I know for a fact you're a great pilot (I raced you a few days ago I believe?). So no hard feelings man.
Ok I'm posting again because that was actually sincere but doesn't sound thatQuote:
Originally Posted by R3BU5ER
way now. I'll say it again, good luck to everyone.
I defended my mates, as I usually do. And Yeah I laughed at you because of that :Quote:
Originally Posted by akirapill
That was totally disrespectful regarding the guys in the list, and as DD777 pointed out, regarding the entire line up. You come from nowhere and you're saying that HERE. This behaviour totally pissed me off when I woke up this morning. Such disrespect toward people who litterally INCARNATED the game for 2 years now. You seem to have no idea of what these people are representing for the game & the community. Just keep in mind that every shortcut, every boost spot, every single good line is a little thanks to them. Did you miss the wipeout video thread or?Quote:
Originally Posted by akirapill
And last but not least. FYI, I'm playing online only when I'm drunk & high. Even if I'm respecting multiplayer 8 pilots cambodia races, I focused myself on the offline competition for a long time ago now. So tbh, I REALLY DON'T GIVE A **** about the result of the race, as it's just to share some good fun/rockets in the ass online. You want to play me fully powered? Just ask for it on the 1vs1 thread. Or ask to kgb if you can enter the UK line up for the upcoming UK/FR team meeting.
You clearly asked for an airstrike here. Seriously, who showed up first. And wtf with the FA cup? Am I a football team all by myself (or the other pilots), or did I miss something? Is wipeout about team or individual competition? Do you believe there will be a Federer/Nadal opposition first round next Wimbledon tournament? Can I ask for a wild card then? As R3BU5ER said, I you feel better now, I'm happy for you. But don't ask me if I'm happy now myself, no I'm ****ing pissed off by your behaviour because it's the kind of behaviour I have to face at my job, with the huge difference I'm paid for that. I can't tell you the entire world of wipeout story because I'm not paid for that. And I only know a little part of it, as I arrived here during the post pure, pulse era. You clearly missed way too much episodes. So I can only encourage you to do some forum search, so you could understand a little better this mysterious seeded player list/conspiracy theory you can't bear and you're able to beat anyway, at least for half of them if I recall correctly.
Picking up from my post yesterday, thanks for having room for me. I'll keep an eye out and try to check this at least once a day to make sure I don't miss when I need to play. Just tell me when and where I guess.
Is there really any need for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by akirapill
I cant see how youd expect to be seeded, or indeed care so much, if people dont know who you are......?? pretty impossible to judge a mans talents if youve never seen him play...
There no need for all that Kanar man. I understand that you've put a lot of
time and effort into this and I respect you for that, so your opintion does
mean something to me. Everyones entitaled to have an opinion and I've
voiced mine. You think it's funny, big deal.
Who said anything about being football team all by themselves? I'm talking
about the way the cup is setup, the draw, I'm not sure if your deliberately
trying to make me look foolish or you missunderstood. Basically I think having
a seed list is sh*t because it almost guarantees a big name orgasmic climax,
(and I didn't think that that was what this cup was about, my mistake?) you
think it's great. You think giving EVERYONE a random chance is sh*t, I think
it's great. I wouldn't have had a list.
The problem with having a list is that it divides people and this happens. Now
I'm insulted because I think I'm better than half of them, they're insulted
because I said that. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks they're
better than half the people on it, but it's a hard thing to put together. Arsed.
And the only reason I said I wouldn't post here again was because I didn't
want the thread to get to far off track and for this to happen.
Much better reply mate :):+
Still think you should compete though. If your as fast as you say id love to see you up against some stiff competition!!
Man, do you think they'll all be gunning for me? lol!
Bottom line is that the setup isn't "shaping up" in any way other than how it was set out at the beginning. The Avalon Cup was posted right at the start as an example. That tournament was billed from the start as the Wimbledon of WipEout. It had seeds. I didn't see any strong objection to that. I did, however, see strong objection to one of the biggest names going out first round. None of that is opinion or preference, it's just fact. It was plain and clear to everyone IMO, so if anyone doesn't like the format then they should simply get over it this time around and learn to look into things a little more before accepting next time around.
So let's all move on from this now.
Well we'll all need a new big tournament organiser after this one is finished after all, So I think we found ourselves one. But first, just shape up and kick some seeded ass in the Wipeout HD cup! ;)
Unless you're in my group in which case be nice :)
Still trying to convince fantmusik (in case there's a free spot later on) but he's a right lazy so-and-so. Might need to bribe him with a kebab or something. Erf.
P.S. Tournament winner gets a special (shiny) prize from me, I'll post details later :g
I think arikil should chill.if he is better than half the seeds as he claims that means in a worse case scenario he will win half of hs matches guranteed.
also i can ubderstand kanar point of view.he has bent over backwards for the last 6 weeks aranging something fantastif and at the 11h hour someone pops up whining about how this comp has been arranged.
personally i dont want a lucky did comp where it could be possible for a crap player to win.i want to see a real champion.if you even chance competition i suggest national lottery instead.
the seeds that were chosen are players from the history of wohd.for there legendary playing skills during there active period.im sure every seed will show us top level play during the comp.
I think we shoudl all help make this competition as fun as possible and stop splitting hairs and busting kanars balls..remember he does this out of lve for wohd its not a paid job
I no im new here so i dont expect my opinion to hold much ground but i think the seedling is a good idea and they were picked fairly! dont fall out over them just prove that ur the top dog on wipeout! sesame seeds or not i will own u all and claim the braggin rights!:nod
That's the spirit - top man! :+
I don't think I did. I remember lots but sometimes details escape me so it's always possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by osama bin haydn
Hes highest multiplayer level too if i remember correctly.
Could be a load of rubbish though :)