I've read through this thread as carefully as I could and I didn't see an answer to this yet: The log out of PSN workaround: do you have to do that every time you start WOHD? Or does it fix the problem after the first time?
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I've read through this thread as carefully as I could and I didn't see an answer to this yet: The log out of PSN workaround: do you have to do that every time you start WOHD? Or does it fix the problem after the first time?
I think the most shocking thing about this update for me was getting to see how many people actually use PA online. 5/7 phantom games last night were PA enabled. :o
Couldn't say but yesterday when the game froze at startup I used the workaround. This morning I forgot about it but it didn't freeze. Hopefully, that means they've fixed things up a bit, server side.Quote:
Originally Posted by aerobie
how many of you feels something strange in the handling?
yesterday i've no time to test some out, now i've just finished some races of OFF-LINE game, i've used only the archetypal ships, the poles apart ones, feisar-harimau-assegai then triakis-piranha-auricom
-now seems there's no edge beetween the ships of the same kind, feisar seems heavier than before, harimau too, now harimau seems even a 8 handling ship if not under
the heavier ships feels lighter and lighter heavier, than before :blarg
-TRIAKIS seems SPEEDIER and LIGHTER!:blarg
-seems the handling edge have been closed now beetwen the extremes
personaly i don't like this thing, if it is true
i'm very confused, someone should come out and confirm this things, if these tweaks have been done for real , or these are just all tricks of mind, or many people will turn crazy!
i've noticed other many things but for now i want to focus/talk/get in depht on this argument which i'm more keen and worried about
guys PLAY OFF-LINE TOO!
I've read another workaround for the freeze was to delete the saved data. So, I think it's not a server side fix, but saved data were updated after playing yesterday allowing the game to works fine after 1 use of the PSN disconnection workaroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Golgofier
stinkleroy: games with PA enabled are not necessary games with PA players.
Well, the update got on to Slow-taku for the wrong reasons. And this doesn't even acknowledge the issues we've been talking about here.
Though, honestly, as I said earlier I must be playing a different game where 1.30 isn't fecking up as badly as other people are saying. I still have my save game, custom controller settings, etc. Aside from a few weird disconnects that hurt my rank, this new update is the bee's knees for now. But I will gladly take a v1.31 soon.
As for Triakis being faster, I like that. Now Triakis won't be totally useless.
It's good to know I wasn't the only one where the controls didn't reset. I would have noticed too; I use a Saturn pad with 6 face buttons.
The new issues that have risen due to the update do need to be addressed but some of them have been blown out of proportion a bit. Fundamentally the game is still the same only with a few handling tweaks and weird barrel rolls. The thing that needs fixing the most is the freezing and pausing because that is really irritating. Icaras feels different and I've found a friend in Auricom which was unexpected.
I think we should try to be positive about this. It was a good update for features, but had a few unexpected things added in.
I'm not sure if it's due to my relative inexperience, but I haven't noticed any handling changes. My Piranha feels the same as it's always felt in the corners! (Why hello outer barrier, care for a cuppa tea?)
If there's any changes, perhaps it's to the camera? Somehow it feels a bit more... I'm not sure, but maybe the camera has been tweaked to follow your craft a bit better? The camera doesn't seem to feel quite as... "loose" as before.
Can anyone pinpoint any definite changes to the handling?
I haven't downloaded it yet because of the problems I am hearing about. Here a few possible constructive questions I hope could be addressed by SL
1) Is the game laggy/framerate slower due to people watching in specator mode. If so, could there be an option to turn Spectator Mode OFF
2) If the Barrel Rolls not happening due to lag cannot be fixed, Can there be an option to not download this patch?
3) I love new material for the game, but not if it is going to hurt the GAMEPLAY, that finally came into it's own in HD, where the framerate was excellent, minimal lag, and Barrel rolls worked 95% of the time.
4) Is the game the same speed as before, with the physics being what seems to be slightly different?
5) I really liked the Physics where they were, A little more grippy than pure, but less than pulse, does it feel more like pulse now?
thx !Quote:
Originally Posted by Amorbis
totally agree
people whinning everywhere are a bit boring imho :)
edit: i upped 2 or 3 multiplayer race time of mine with this new update ... so cant be THAT bad !
1}You didn't "Originally " like the Physics the way they were,You, I, and everybody else bitched about how HD differed from other Wipeouts in that regards.
We got used to it,took a while ,but it happened [apart from Infoxicated that wouldn't have a bar of the BR situation,{could there be a reappearance?} ]
2] The handling Physics have changed ,SL's PR Department can go blue in the face trying to tell us otherwise [they haven't] but only those who know the game can truly tell.
3] BR's have DEFIANTLY changed, well the Chance of execution has, that's diminished by a huge amount,not just at the oblique points ,but most noticable at the most previously prominent points.
4] Speed changes are debatable,it depends if /how many Spectators are viewing/waiting for entry into said game.
You get the occasional lag free game,but only if it has a full field of 8.
That seems to be the depending factor.
5] Not having played PULSE online myself I am not qualified to answer,but from what messages I have got & replied to it would seem this is so.
ok, i'm more than happy of this, i'm not happy that ships like harimau and feisar feels heavier and behave like crazy horses sometimes...Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ O'Connell
then...definitely i'm not totally crazy, i've noticed something changed in camera too, seems the ships are slighly far, higher angle , so sligthly little on screen...am i a paranoid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerbis
then, if i haven't noticed this before now and there alwais was, feel free to offend me :
at start some ship like triakis aren't entirely on the camera, the exhaust are for 1/4 cut out of screen, other ships like harimau,feisar are completely on camera and there is space leftover
definitely someone from SL or Sony must come out and say something about, or there will start a thread
If the update hadn't screwed up so badly then yeah, sure, great. So many people are whining because it's crap. It's perfectly justified. Besides, if I don't whine, then what am I supposed to do while I'm avoiding WipEout like the plague because it's been ruined? Maybe I'll just play offline, supposedly that's not affected too badly.
A lot of the issues seem to show a complete lack of thought. Spectators are coming top of records tables. That's ludicrous. Ship handling has changed. Why? There's no good reason for it. Barrel rolls don't work properly. If you don't like them then fine, but I've worked hard at them and now they don't work at all half the time. There were bad lag issues before, but instead of doing something to fix them them they pile on a load of stuff that makes it worse. Yeah, brilliant idea.
The whole online interface is, in my opinion, very messy now. Before we had less "features" but at least it was a fairly sleek setup and was a game I loved and had played more than any other game I've ever owned. Actually, there's a good chance I've played WipEout HD more than all other games I've owned put together. No joke!
Maybe they should have introduced things gradually and tested them out rather than shoving them all in there in one go only for the majority of them to not work well at all and for the basic game dynamic to be completely screwed.
I havent noticed any handling or physics changes (and I'd be surprised if there were any) certainly the Qirex is as it was when I set it, though admittedly thats all I used last night. I'll make an enquiry next week though.
I've been playing Wipeout before the vast majority of current players were born.
Every incarnation of this game has been slightly different.
Some have sucked [Fusion} but this game has always had a phoenix looking over it.
This update/Patch should be considered as a basically NEW VERSION of HD.
I think,the thinking behind this update has a lot of "Be Prepared" about it.
The DLC we have all been waiting and hoping for might not of fitted in to what we have recently been playing .
A new, bold,different version,what we have been requesting WIPEOUT might hit us all very soon.
ADJUST .
If you stand still you are a target ....SL has never been a Target.
;)
OK, so it's a new game. So who stole my old game and how can I get it back? How does anyone have the right to:
1. Take something I've paid for away from me?
2. Render the hundreds of hours I've spent playing and improving all but useless?
Give me the option to also play the game as it was in its standard guise and I'll be happy. Until then I'll just be pissed.
Well, this is the risk every game developer runs when implementing changes in an already established game.
Some will embrace the changes, some will not. Some will be happy with whats been done and feel it has made the game even better, while some will feel like they've been stabbed in the back and will want their old game back.
I hear what you're saying Saturn and I agree with you on some points, but not enough to sway me from playing. If you and others feel this update has completly ruined the game for you, well that really sucks and I'm sorry for you! It would be a real shame if WO lost fine players because of this. Personally though, I feel it's made an already awesome game even better, aside from the lag/glitch issues which I trust SL will sort out.
Golgofier, that's a massive part of the problem. They're not sorted out many of the other issues so far. So I have little faith they can get this to work properly, no matter how much time they have.
Regardless of the minor hiccups with the update, I'm very happy with it. The new features of online are great imo. Badges make every race or tourny interesting, over and over again.
I do however hope that a fix for the framerate stutters arrives soon. It has cost me more than one race already.:frown:
I actually like how the options are displayed, it's much easier to read.(maybe not the races in a tourny, but still) I do think also that races in progress should be a dark grey instead of the blue, and full races in black or red.
The ranking system may have to grow on me. I'm not too keen on the way it reverts you back to the rank you were before the race, or races. I think it should keep those races you've completed as your added ranking. DC's happen and isn't quite fair in that regard.
Yes I know they have failed so far in fixing some of the game issues that have been brought up since WO HD launched and expecting them so fix them now would be naive. However, the micro-lagging/glitching is completely unacceptable and I have to trust SL will do something about it. If they dont, it would be like a car manufacturer not fixing randomly detonating airbags (in lack of a better metaphor :P )Quote:
Originally Posted by SaturnReturn
I agree, I hope so, and I like you're metaphor.
They will sort it.
Saturn you have the satisfaction of being one of the best players ever of this [ current version] of this game,you times are proof.
You have to look ahead at the challenges that will BE.
Everybody that plays the game will now be on an even footing ,are you up to the NEXT challenge?
When it appears.
Go for that,the goal posts have been moved
I'll reply to the other stuff later, but I did not bitch about the physics in HD. I didn't expect them to be different from pulse, and they ended up being better than pure or pulse, which I liked. I've always said I like xl, but never expected those physics. I was happy that the bugs from the other two previous games were fixed, but now it seems they are back in (at least the Br thing). I'd like to play it, but am scared to dL it now. There is enough swearing in my house atm practicing pulse :) to add more. I guess in the end I'll download it because it will be required.
Hehe, I like your idea, blackwiggle, of something new and game-changing (and a bit ominous :eek ) being right around the corner.
I would be surprised if it's more than a couple of new tracks/ships but I hope I'll be proven wrong...
Fine, move the goal posts, but wait for me to score. There are still a lot of things in the game I can't do - moves I can't pull off. I wasn't where I wanted to be yet. If a whole new game came out then that would be a different matter. I could still play the old one, I could still enjoy it, and I could still progress. I could also start the new challenge of a new game with everyone else. I can't do the former, and I can't do the latter because the game is so buggy.
Am I the only one that sees that a load of crappy badges and other largely useless content has replaced a game which was truly amazing?
Am I the only one that sees a complete and utter lack of foresight in this update? A lack of effort, a lack of testing, a lack of intelligence. Half of the problems just shouldn't be there. They shouldn't need extensive online testing to find issues like the thing with the race times for spectators, or the fact that handling has completely changed.
It's a half-arsed update to renew interest in a game in order to make more money from people. It's cheap advertising. They add one or two things that devoted players actually want, such as no PA option, in the hope that they'll forgive them for ****ing up everything else. If they're gonna make a new game then fine. Put the effort in and make a new game. Don't give me some bullshit that ****s up a product I've paid for and put a hell of a lot of soul into just to make a quick buck. Can no-one else see that's what's happened? Seriously!
Anyway, that's it for me. Certain people have told me that they agree with me. Most aren't as pissed off as I am but some are. If one of them tells me it's improved then good, I'll give it another go. Until then you will not see me playing WipEout HD online.
About handling i haven't seen any difference atm, Ag sys seems to me the same it was before, also internal view hasn't changed imho.
When i 1st race after solving the bug of the patch (thx RR ;) ) I had 2 races to get back to normal feeling ( 1st was completely *****y due to control sheme changed, 2nd race : just because i am a diesal :D )
I haven't raced offline yet, will test during this coming weekend.
I am very impressed from the new patch and all the good job SL put in it :)
Of course i had those slowdowns ( mostly depending on who was the hoster), grey pad and BR not working all the time ( idem : depending on the hoster and possibly the rank into the race ) also some freakin impressive freezes for 2 sec ( only 5 of them during my 4 hours session) anyway except those , all the new features brang by SL worth more than a try ! i am addicted and only regret one thing = HD should have been released 2 or 3 years ago when i had the time i wanted for playing...
==> PLEASE SATURN : give it a go again matey , worth it and it's not because i have the 'saturn logo ' for my PS profile but for me the handling hasn't changed : have a look into your control and modify the % for airbrakes or else i am sure you can get back to your original feeling.
same adviceQuote:
Originally Posted by Asayyeah
thank U colin let us know, anyway this supposed change is obviously more evident in the "opposite pole " ships, the heavier and the lighterQuote:
Originally Posted by Colin Berry
not to be a whiny bitch mofo but for me this is an UPDATE ,a PATCH, to be more precise patch 1.30 the first considerable patch, i'm happy of this , just because it imply that the game is supported, but this isn't DLC,Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwiggle
DLC are tracks, ships, modes, all this is good but i cannot consider it as DLC
don't come to tell me that the DLC all we waiting for, the secret stuff they are working on since late october is this stuff because in that case i will stop playing immediately
i repeat , all this is very good , thank U SL but i cannot believe over 6 months of working and waiting for us and we get this
don't want to sound direspectful
The airbrakes settings hadn't changed on mine. I checked straight away when stinkleroy told me hers had. Mine were the same as ever but still felt wrong. I think my anger has passed a bit. Right now--->:frown:
I hope the next stage invloves getting over it. I miss all you frenchies already.
Come to think of it. Is it possible that the airbrakes settings had changed but that it just 'appeared' to be at 10%? It definitely said 10% for both sensitivities.
Someone suggested somewhere that maybe camera angles had changed slightly. This could explain why it feels different in external views but not cockpit view.
EDIT: Oh and I'm worried for guys like darkfaerytales that were awaiting DLC. I was thinking earlier that this could be the thing previously mentioned that SL were 'working' on. If so then that wouldn't be good for those who wanted new tracks etc. I'm off to play Pure now, I never did get anywhere with that one.
my handling feels different and i use default settings cos i'm lazy.
maybe i'm just imagining it though (genuine comment, not sarcastic)
It is possible that Arnaud and others do not see a difference in the handling because they play first person, and use alot of different ships, or there is none? Playing in third person allows you to see your ship and it may look different as it is turning. Maybe I will try tonight on a TT before I download the extra content, then download, then try the TT again. I only want to use one ship, Is there any specific ship someone would like me to use, that they think feels different?
I am still worried about the Barrel roll bug, meaning not being able to do it. It wasn't able to be fixed for pure or pulse, and if all of this new content is staying in, is there any way to fix it? I would put my money down, that the spectator mode is causing it, does anyone who knows something about programming have any different ideas?
ok, not to be direspectful again, but then this is not DLC, this cannot be call DLCQuote:
Originally Posted by SaturnReturn
these are a bunch of options and tiny nice logos and script on a screen, a nice bunch of cool graphics
it's like to point a cat and pretend to call it horse
at very cost to pass for a cynic mofo i cannot explain myself how people can be so glad for it
i will be very very happy & satisfied if and/or when we will get a couple of tracks,or ships, who maybe are something different from a dozen of logos on a screen and 4-5 although very cool options...
sorry for my cynical tone
I didn't say this was DLC. I referred to it as a thing. I can't exactly remember what we were told was coming. I just remember that some 'thing' was being worked on. I'm saying that I hope this thing isn't that thing and that DLC will still come.
i hope too, i'm not refering to what you said , i was refering in general way, colin was refering to DLC when he told us that the core team were working on something , just go back some pages in this thread and read
it sound too strange to me that they're working since fall 2008 to this patch...anyway i can't tell i'm not a programer
He also said he hadn't worked on the game in a while and that he couldn't say what DLC would be or when. There is always the risk that he has been informed by someone who either confused the term DLC or just doesn't use it as strictly as you or I. I did after all have to download something which could easily be considered content, not by me, but by others.
Still, the fact that they've updated the game at least shows that they're supporting it on some level and that is a promising sign for further support and some genuine quailty DLC. If I had new tracks and ships then I'd be more inclined to play again.
I hope there is actual DLC to come! I personally like the update. The rank system could have been better, maybe giving points for being in top 3 only and losing points for being in the bottom 3, but apart from that the updates are good. Especially PA off and 20 lap races!!!! Thanks SL!!!!
The only issues I have along with others is micro-lag, the auto-save issue and more frequent online game freezes. About once a week after a few races I would be playing online and the game would just freeze and the PS3 becomes completely unresponsive. Id have to turn the PS3 off and reload to get back online. Last night in the hour and a half I played this happened twice, im hoping this doesnt become more regular because it is very annoying.
ok, be realist, we race in the same 8 tracks with the same two courses/directions , with the same 12 model of ships of the same teams, in the same 5 variants ( modes , 6 if you count online )
now we have options that are available only for on-line not for off-line
now we can choose to pilot assist on/off
barrel rolls on/off
invite friends, select for quit a lap in speed lap
a spectator mode who is a mess...
and badges who are like trophies , cool but you don't go anywhere with them...
options...
i know my pragmatism is annoying , but this is the truth, i'm a ****ing hard headed, i don't let me fooled so easily
i wonder how much time will past before people begin to feel the void again
we will see, if this is a strategic move to release before this patch focused on the on-line play for appeal more people ( and more new people ) so that when the flames are hot and hotter the DLC comes out , it's a brilliant move:+
,brilliant
in the other case, and this stuff is what they were working, i rest in silence wordless...
For what it's worth here's my thoughts:
I liked the update. Sure there's some glitches that need sorting, but the update as a whole has added to the experience of playing WipEout online. The hanging at the start was probably the most scariest part for me!! I thought that my beloved game had been trashed for good. A quick search of Google soon solved that problem though!!
I like the feature that now allows you to see ALL races - in the past most of the time you had no idea if anyone was actually racing. Also the ability to see your friends and join them is great!
Someone in an earlier post mentioned the Leech Beam seemed to slow you down more. I absolutely agree with that. I also felt the controller vibrate more violently while being leeched. The bomb proximity problem finally has been fixed, but it took a bit of getting used to. I think it was LOUDandPROUD who said in an earlier post that the physics have changed as well. I tend to agree although it's hard to nail exactly what has changed, but for the first hour or so last night I was all over the place and got severely hammered.
The spectator mode need addressing, its very jerky, and would be good if you could rotate the view of the camera. However, as I said earlier, this is just one of those glitches that I'm sure will be fixed.
All in all, a good job, and can't wait for the fixes and the next one!!!
sorry bad post