v1.30 update complaints

The thing is , this lag problem never existed to the extent it does now, and what relatively few lag related problems we had before certainly didn't effect so many different aspects of the game and to so many people as it does now.

The whole wipeout community has not gone and changed their internet connections ,SL says that they have not changed anything that should/would effect the game.

So what's causing the lag ?

Don't tell me,let me guess,.....Spectator Mode.

You can't blame the 2.70 PS3 update because the game was working online with that,and without these problems.

Blackwiggle - I agree entirely with you. I believe it's spectator mode and to be honest, I'd just get rid of it. But - what IS useful is being able to join a game whilst the game is in progress.

I have been getting lag since the new update too...the games suddenly "jumps" a little a few times per race. Never happened before the new patch. I thought it might be the spectator mode.

blackwiggle has a point, these problems didn't occur all that often pre-2.70 firmware or the 1.30 patch. Now I can't do a single race without either broken weapon pads or hang-ups. I'd go with CaptainWipeout's suggestion, remove spectator mode, but allow people to join games or better yet, fix it! :)

People joining games is part of the problem as well unfortunately,that's when you get the glitches.

Pity, as it was a good concept but it's ruining the gameplay.

Say your having a tournament,5 places filled,you start the tournament.
Somebody tries to join the game just after it starts [glitch] if they go into spectator mode [glitch] leave spectator mode [glitch] decide that they are not going to wait till the end of the tournament to join, so quit it [glitch].

You seldom get just one glitch in a game ,if you do,you can guarantee that there will be another player in the field upon the next races start, that has waited for the next race without going into Spectator mode.

If you have that happen with a few people doing this ,well your tournament is shot.

Actually,we could organize a controlled test to see if this is the cause.

If it is found to be the cause [which I'm 75% sure it will be] I might have a possible solution,it would invole SL ditching some aspects of Spectator mode and changing the information that is show on the board,basically to stop people unwittingly causing problems with the game already in play.

Another way to test the "join" bug is to run races in a full room and see if the problems still continue.

I'm sure you can get 8 volunteers in a friend only room to test the theory. No one can join when a room is full.

I agree. Would love to hear others opinions on it.

I've lost so many places in a race to these glitches which defeats the object and enjoyment of Wipeout. It's still a great game, I just hope that something will be done soon to sort it.

I completely agree with Blackwiggle (Post # 181)! The lag issues are ridiculous now. Many broken weapon pads in all my races earlier!

After further thought I'm not sure that having a full room would make it impervious to glitches ,reason being that people are still going to "attempt " to enter that room while not knowing it is full,simply by pressing the triangle "join race "option when they see a friend is online from the little rectangular box on the bottom right of the screen.

Maybe just this attempt might be causing glitches.

You could test a partially full room ,have your friends race and you go in and out of joining the room while it is in progress,and use the spectator option and quit it,also use the triangle button option as described above.

Count how many times you did this entering/leaving/spectator etc
Then those who were racing could report how many glitches happened and what they were during the race.

Not a pleasant experience I imagine for those racing,but we might get some sort of correlation between glitches in race with actions by others accessing it in various modes.

Well let's just hope some of the Powers That Be over at SL are keeping tabs on this thread and the ones like it so they're aware of the specific observations people have all had.

I know Paul Tweedle himself reiterated the fact that they don't make a point of having a lot of direct contact with their audience (though if you ask me, I think it makes consumers have a little more respect and appreciation of the people they're throwing their money at if they are actually tangible, accessible human beings as opposed to mysterious entities shrouded by a company name), but maybe all of this nonsense will encourage them to consider the possibility that something is wrong somewhere along the line. There can't be this large number of people all experiencing issues when nothing has changed except whatever the v1.30 update brought, unless it's just something unforeseen.

And the User Interface still needs to be made more streamlined, intuitive, accessible.

I've found a temporary workaround for those of us who are mid-rear pack runners to the problem of being mired in swarms of mines:
Don't play against wipeoutzone pilots
Today is the first time I have had FUN in this game since the patch, and it was because I was able to stay in the front half of the grid in about at least half my races. This left me a lot less mines to plough through.

Very true Lion, I have serius issues when I'm up against the big boys because I inevitably end up drowning in a sea of mines :(
Thing is, if I'm leading the pack I lose the lead, it's very often because the person in last place has a compulsion to lay mines/bombs everywhere even though they aren't competing with anybody behind them...:bomb
PLEASE STOP LAYING MINES IF YOU'RE LAST! :(

Weapon pads: Create a new game. Problem solved (worked 100% of the time for me so far :)) :D

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Originally Posted by stinkleroy

Just because you have not experienced this personally, doesn't mean it isn't happening to SOME PEOPLE.

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Exactly. I've heard that people have had tons of bugs when playing through Wipeout Pulse, and I personally never encountered anything too serious. o_0

It would be nice for one of the Dev's to acknowledge the other issues we are having. The non BR's, the freezing and non weapon pads, This is going to be a game breaker for me unfortunately. :frown:

@ Yeldar - When I'm in last place, I'm still trying to get into first. So, if I lay mines or bombs that may slow down whoever is in first (or 2nd or 3rd and so on), that can only help me in my quest, even if the outlook is bleak...crazy things can happen in WO. So, I will continue to lay mines if I'm in last. I never give up!

I got ****ed over bad in a race where i was in lead from Greenix on Moa Therma reverse by 5seconds until i came directly into the last man's mines, two rows of the bastards on both of the double triple speed pad on the second mag strip. As typical side shifting did more than **** me over, but it made me take nearly all of the mines sets, kinda like a bowling ball and a set of pins and getting a spare. This followed by the ship coming to a halt and not ACCELERATING til 6 seconds later when it didnt really matter, since i got ****ed over bad and lost the race:(

The ghost saving is totally and utterly broken.

Here are the issues I have experienced so far:

-ghost does not match record at all
-ghost starts to race one second after the race starts (happens all the time on the first race I do just after setting a record time)
-ghost skips ahead two seconds at the start of the race (looks like he is teleporting), it matches the record's line but it's two seconds ahead of the timer
-ghost ship model does not match the ship the record was set with, this shows up on all the records I have set so far

I don't know if its a PSN issue but SOCOM Confrontations suffers from a similar tiny lag spike when a new person joins the lobby. The issue in SOCOM has persisted since the game has come out dispite every patch containing notes on the issue claiming its be solved. I can't say I'm a fan of Slant 6's work with the patches, they seem to break more then fix half the time, but I trust SL since the original game was very solid.

I am all for removing the spector option, since due the the lag issues the game suffers from the spector will rarly be able to watch a race in its true form along with the fact that they themselve create a tiny lag spike.
Glad to see the devs listening in to the fans.

my 2 cents

Yeah sometimes the slower player can become very annoying, on one time on
Ubermall Rev where I had 5-6 seconds lead (10 laps race), he would hit me with
3 missiles on the last lap!!!
Then obviously my ship goes to a complete stop thanks to the new
overpowered annoying missiles, and then game over, missile + quake on me.

And another time, a 20 laps race, the last player would always mines, bomb,
missile me, took me 3 laps to overtake him.

^
Those sound more just like bad luck rather then a problem. I've had that happen to me many times.