Whaddya think of Matrix reloaded?

[Azrael]

I went and saw Matrix 2 last night. I was just wondering if you guys have seen it and what did you think. I must say i was dissapointed. I enjoyed the first one at most levels, i like cyberpunk and kung fu movies and am a big john woo fan so after watching it enough to get past the comic book acting and script, realised it for what it was ( a comic book movie that looks cool.) and was able to enjoy it for what it was. After viewing the second one i can't help but feel this script was written after the public decided there was a whole heap of spiritual connotations in their. I'm not saying their wasnt' but i do feel the emphasis the movie viewing public has attached to them to be somewhat overated. This movie seemed to try to be more than it was. I felt that the wachowski brothers have tried to attempt something beyond their abilities and so have got the bones of something their but it all feels tacked on to me. Oh and the fight scenes were too long and repetetive and they used the same moves from the last movie(cop out).
Of course this is only my opinion so you should probably just take it with a grain of salt.

[Bob Todd]

Au contraire... the whole thing including the videogamewas scripted as one thing from the very start. It's all been in development since five years ago.

I think the second one is excellent... I loved the car chase. It was way more exciting than the first one.

[infoxicated]

Haven't seen it yet, as I intend to watch it back in Scotland rather than visit the fleapit scouser infested cinemas that Liverpool has to offer.

Using the outragously self indulgent, badly directed and glaringly fake fight scene at the end of Mission Impossible 2 as a benchmark, I'd be surprised if any fight scene in the future of cinema could rank as low.

So if they're better than that, it's a bonus :)

[Task]

Azrael: You mean "there" when you say "their", "their" is ONLY a group possessive: "their socks", "their best times". "There" is a pointing indicator, "over there".

Reloaded is awesome. Its existance even improves the original. It's obvious that the whole story was formed before they shot the first movie, you can see that things were in the first one for the specific reason of making you wonder about certain things till you've seen the second one. Probably my favourite thing about the movie is that the base concepts apply to the audience as well as the characters in the movie! Incredible!
I'm guessing that you're one of "the 99", one of the many people that for whatever didn't look very deeply into the movie. Going by internet opinion, there's a lot of people with similar opinions to yours. I doubt that the Wachowski brothers meant for such a strong reaction, but I'm also sure that it was "part of the plan". Frankly, I'm amazed at how correct they are. I never would have though that the ratios would be so high.

[jmoid]

I wasn't convinced. I really wanted to like it, too, as I didn't really give the first film a chance as I thought it ripped off William Gibson - an opinion tempered by the fact that Gibson actually really liked the first film... but I came away with a similar opinion to Azreal. The plot was didn't seem to have any coherence - I just remember 20 minute fight scenes, followed by 10 minutes of talking introducing a whole load of new concepts that weren't mentioned previously but are suddenly the most important thing in the film, until after the next fight scene... OK, that's a bit harsh actually, but I just don't think it was that great. Parts of it look amazing, but overall - not so good, IMHO although I'd be willing to give it another try.

[Lance]

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for those who've seen the movie, i'd suggest reading James Berardinelli's review of it:
http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/m/matrix2.html

he tends to agree with Azrael about the intellectual content, but regards the movie as so open-ended that he can't tell how meaningful anything is until the third segment comes out later this year
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edit corrected grievous typo

[Task]

Well, I totally disagree with the idea that there's no "intellectual content". There's LOTS to think about in this movie, it's just not at the forefront. When you're not in an action scene, there's a constant barrage of little things... IF you're paying attention. The concepts that hit me during the talk with the Architect were jaw-dropping (OMG, I've been a sheep! I see what's going on now!) and one of my favourite bits of "intellectual content" is how coming into the movie you think you know the answer to The Question, but coming out you realize that you were wrong and you go back to the same damn question that started it all... What Is The Matrix?

However, I'm in TOTAL agreement with the "I'm reserving all judgement till #3", it's just that I'm _so_ sure about what happens next episode that I'm not bothering to reserve judgement. 8 )
Of course, if they screw up Revolutions then I'll likely be _very_ disappointed and join the rest of the world in condemning Reloaded as highly inferior to the first.
But till then... Reloaded was awesome! 8 )

[Azrael]

Task: i take it your a fan.
I should have realised i'd get slammed by somebody critisising such a popular movie. But I'ts good to see other people having strong opinions about the film otherwise what's the point of having a Forum. i really did enjoy the first movie, but personally for me it was at a purely (That looks so cool) kinda level. It also upset me when the people watching the film praised it for it's originality i feel that the director's have succesfully taken a whole heap of idea's from other places and put them together in one movie. I think the first one did this really well, but come the second film i think they got excited thinking "Look what we can do!! and went overboard on the effects.
as far as the depth of the film is concerned. i never viewed the matrix as "Thinking movies that explain the meaning of life". But by all means convince me i'm wrong.

[Task]

8 ) Am I a fan? Well, I'm definitely a fan of science-fiction, and I'm also an anime fanboy, which I guess means I'm also a fan of the Hong-Kong-Action-Flick, and I'm a big fan of a well-made movie (or book, or graphic novel for that matter), and I count myself as a fan of good music, as well. Oh, look at that, The Matrix combines all of those! Amazing!

I totally understand that there is a large number of people that don't appreciate Reloaded for everything that it is. Likely, they're going to stay that way until Revolutions is out. Once that happens, there are two possibilities:
1) My total faith in the Wachowski brothers will be justified and "the 99" will realize the depth of the story inside The Matrix.
2) They'll screw it up, I'll recant every good thing I've ever said about them, and all the negative reviews will be proven correct.

With The Matrix, "originality" is really not the prime point. The base concept goes all the way back to Socrates Cave: from any given single viewpoint, it's difficult to determine exactly what "reality" is. The specific concept, "how do we know if life is just a dream or not?", is probably as old as logical thought. Anyone who praises _anything_ for originality is (9 times out of 10) merely not up on their history. Saying that something sucks because it's not original... well, it makes the speaker look like a total idiot. Originality is almost never the point, and it's rarely good even when it is. No, the beauty of The Matrix is the total skill with which it was all put together.
1) Science-Fiction/Cyberpunk: We've been wanting to see this stuff on screen ever since William Gibson published Neuromancer. Blade Runner is good, but what we all wanted to see was.. The Net. What we all wondered more than anything else was "what would it look like to be _inside_ a computer?". The answer is "if your computer is sufficiently advanced, it looks indistinguishable from real life". (Take that one, Mr. Clarke!)
2) Anime/Hong-Kong Action: The one thing that you always hafta do when you sit down to watch this stuff is to throw your science brain out the window. You hafta accept that someone can jump at least 3x their own height, and that if you're strong enough you can punch someone 10' through the air and through several walls as well. In The Matrix, you can use your science brain to understand why these things are possible! Not only do we get the marvelous action we crave, but it's all theoretically possible, too! Wow!
3) Movies: The main characters are the only people who act "strange" in this movie. Until "rescued from The Matrix", even Neo acts normal. But once someone knows "the truth" and comes back into The Matrix, their personality is totally different! Why? Because they KNOW that they're nearly gods while inside The Matrix! You can SEE the character changes happen! Even better, the "non-humans", especially Smith, really _act_ the way a program might conceivably act. Good characters, no serious problems with the acting. As for story elements, there isn't any extraneous material, and everything in the movie is done well. The pacing is solid and steady, there's good little jokes put in there now and then, the whole movie is balanced. Achieving this is a filmmakers dream. I applaud the high level of quality that infuses the movie.

Now, if you're looking for deeper meanings inside the movie, (Even Though, really, when you get down to it, why on earth would you be looking for the meaning of life in an Action Movie of all places? Aren't you more likely to find it in a dumpster than in a Hollywood movie?) there's no problem there, either! You can take it and analyse it all you like. We're talking about one person with inhuman powers and abilities who is destined/prophesized to lead his people to freedom, there's no way you can avoid the religious connotations. So if you're looking for things inside the movie that point in that direction, you can easily find them. For instance, any time anyone in the movie says "Oh, God" or "Jesus Christ" or something similar, if Trinity is nearby she'll say "what?". Isn't that cute? All this stuff is in there on purpose. It was made this way.

I could go on, but I don't want to spoil the third one for you. 8 )
Once Revolutions is out, then we'll see...

[Lance]

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i agree that what Jay says does apply to the original Matrix movie. though i've not seen the second one, the intentional presence of all the elements he mentions in the first one makes it likely that they are in the second one also. possibly the objections come mostly from action fans who do not want long breaks in the action. but as i recall, the first one had long breaks for exposition and philosophy, and it worked a treat.he mentions

to slide a bit offtopic: The Matrix was the first of four great 1999 movies that i saw in the theatres when they were first released rather than waiting for the video. i don't know if it's just my opinion or not, but it seems like 1999 was one of the best years ever for fine movies. that year i also saw American Beauty, Being John Malkovich, and Fight Club. don't even get me started on how great Fight Club was! all four of those movies were radically better than what one normally is offered
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[Task]

Oh, absolutely Lance!
I haven't seen American Beauty yet, but those others you mentioned are definitely marvelous examples of true quality filmmaking. One you didn't mention however is Run Lola Run, another 1999 film!
Yes, 1999 was an incredible year for good movies, but it hasn't really been much of a downhill slide since then. Like I was saying, the quality of all movies in general has been ramping up to an incredible degree.
I mean, LOTR. By God, what style! The cinematography alone...
And Amélie! I never imagined that the "romantic comedy" genre could transcend itself like that!

Every year I go to the film festival, and every year I am amazed by the offerings.
So good. It's like having a new Casablanca every 6 months, instead of once every 10 years.

[Azrael]

Wow, what can i say.
Task you present a very convincing argument. As for the other movies mentioned, i really enjoyed being john malcovich, although i often wondered what it would have been titled had he been unavailable, Being Tom cruise? maybe not, but it was a great movie. The others- Run lola and Amelie i have heard great things about but never seen maybe i should make an effort and see them. Back to the matrix all you said i tend to agree with and i must confess when you mentioned Gibson i totally revaluated because the large majority of people who like the movie don't know who he is, or john woo and have never watched any anime in their life. Did that scene where she falls out the window remind you of the begining of ghost in the shell? I just wish people would give credit to the history of the film and understand the heritage.

[Task]

:D Well thank-you, I try.
8 ) I think "Being John Malkovitch" was brought to Mr. Malkovitch before they started filming. It just wouldn't have been as good with anyone else. "Cruise, Cruise, Cruise" just doesn't sound as marvleous as "Malkovitch, Malkovitch, Malkovitch". (go watch it!)
Yeah, the "Trinity out the window shooting backwards" was totally GitS. "Giving credit" is something you'll only ever hear from a select few writers/directors/producers, and those people are rarely even given a chance/opportunity to give such credit.
When was the last time you heard an interviewer say "So Mr. Talent, what was your inspiration for this scene here?"? The questions are always general, never specific enough for such answers. Besides, the only people who really _care_ about the heritage are those that already know it, so it's assumed you know. If you don't know, then chances are you don't care. And if you _do_ care, well, there's just a _ream_ of people who are anxious to tell you where so-and-so "stole" that idea from, and there's a guy behind him who urgently wants you to know that actually it has an earlier implementation and...

Hoo boy, do I always type too much? 8 )

[Azrael]

Not too much.
My gripe is not with directors citing influences and indeed the Wachowski bros were quite open about their influences i just feel that when you understand the history it can add extra depth and meaning to a piece of work. But then again i also feel that a story in whatever medium should be viewed independent of everything else, so i dont think i really know what i think anymore. But it seemed an interesting thought at the time. Hmmmmm.

[Harvai]

one thing i'd like to see in The Matrix Revolutions is another 'lobby' scene!!
only this time MORE guns, MORE dead guards and MORE wicked music!!

[JABBERJAW]

I thought it was great, the movie got way deeper than I had anticipated.

[Vasudeva]

Greetings,

I finally got to see it yesterday. It was way better than I expected. I was kind of disappointed by the first movie (bit too much all-guns-blazing with some cheap philosophy plot) but this one was a lot better in my opinion.

One thing though, I was wondering about when Neo is in front of the Architect, and the Architect is presenting him with the two choices. What if the Architect is lying? What if, if Neo chooses to kill all humans, the Matrix WILL disappear? A bit of a pity that this part remained unexplored.

Oh, and Taks, not to be a dick, but...


With The Matrix, "originality" is really not the prime point. The base concept goes all the way back to Socrates Cave: from any given single viewpoint, it's difficult to determine exactly what "reality" is.

It was Plato's cave. Sokrates was abused by Plato as a mouthpiece. I doubt Sokrates really believed in or was concerned with the metaphysical.

Peace,
V.

[NiktheGreek]

I gotta say, I loved it. However, it gave off an entirely different feel to the first. The first gave the impression of a small resistance, showing nothing beyond the Nebuchandezzar save for a few mentions. This one made it feel like a universe, what with the huge city, ghosts, vampires etc.

It's very good, but my feeling is that the possibilities for the Matrix setting won't be fully realised by the end of the third film - fan-fiction and the games (particularly Matrix Online) will finish it off.

[The Boye]

The Matrix Reloaded - Explained...

Zion is a program, just like the Matrix. How is Neo able to figure out that he is able to stop the sentinels in Zion near the end of the film? The spoon given to him earlier. It had obviously been bent loads, but how outside the Matrix?? This gave Neo the inspiration and the understanding that Zion is still a matrix.


The One explained

"The One" is a program, but has to be "attached" to someone in the Matrix. So Mr. Anderson got it in the 6th version of the Matrix. Then "The One" program's purpose is to allow Zion to be destroyed then to rebuild it. The reason for this is because of anomalies - the 1% of humans that don't accept the Matrix.

These are all brought out of the Matrix program and into the Zion program by the "Morpheus" program and other similar "ship captain" programs. Then once all the anomalies are out of the Matrix (and in Zion), that is the time for Zion to be destroyed, thus killing all the anomalies off. The Matrix is then upgraded, thus creating the next version of the Matrix, but Zion must be rebuilt so that the next lot of anomalies can be brought out again so that they can be destroyed.

This is the feedback-loop, and is the reason to retain a handful of people so that Zion can be rebuilt.

So this is why Neo said the prophecy was a lie - the One's purpose was not to end the war as the prophecy stated. Unfortunately, "The One" program must be re-used each time, or copied, so it can be "attached" to a new anomaly inside the Matrix. So what happens to the old "The One" program? It faces deletion, and as the Oracle explained, it goes into exile instead, just like the French bloke (the Merovingian) did. He was the first One (probably from the second version of the Matrix), and once he fulfilled his duty, he became an exile program and "abdicated" his "Oneness" by choosing Persephone and power. This is evident in the bogs when Persephone asks Neo to kiss her. She says she wants him to kiss her so she can feel what it is like again to be kissed by something close to human, just like the Merovingian used to be. Then she says to Trinity that she envies her, but that these things are not meant to last. So the Merovingian used to be just like Neo - a One - thus proving further the feedback-loop explained earlier.


The correct door in the Architect's room

Now there are two possibilities here:

1. All the previous One's chose the right door allowing a "temporary dissemination" of their code into the Matrix (i.e., the code they "carry" thus indicating Neo is indeed human), then he must select (unplug) 23 people from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. This takes away the possibility that stories from previous rebuilds of Zion will be carried through. But Morpheus indicated in the first Matrix that this is the case anyway. He said, "there was a man born inside, able to change things, it was he who freed the first of us," - basically the One previous to Neo. And this proves that the previous One chose the right door also. Neo's purpose is also to choose the right door, but he does not because he faces deletion afterwards and has the choice of going into exile - programs choosing to go into exile is the one thing that can't be accounted for in program parameters. Thus, he chooses the left door instead this time. How was Neo able to choose the other door? Because of his extreme willpower? - Even the Architect indicated that he'd noticed this - "Interesting. That was quicker than the others." Or more likely, because the Oracle upgraded his coding with the candy on the park bench. The candy/cookie was a method to change the One's program. She said he has made a believer out of her - this is quite human-like and perhaps the previous One's didn't accept the upgrade candy, now she has hope... hope that Neo will finally choose the other door.

2. All the previous One's chose the left door, saving Trinity and letting Zion fall. So this time is no different. But the Architect does say, "You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated," and also, "this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it," - assuming the Architect isn't lying, then they have already destroyed Zion (i.e., Zion has fallen) five times - i.e., the result of going through the left door.


Morpheus and Trinity are programs.

Morpheus's purpose was to find the One and deliver him to the Architect. Trinity's purpose is to control the One by getting in love with him. Trinity is supposed to be the mother of the new One every time the Matrix is Reloaded. That's why the sex scene was so important and why she was named Trinity.

The Architect says, "she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it." He was correct though because she did die just like Neo did in the first Matrix (Oracle said he or Morpheus would, and she didn't lie, but he came back to life). Trinity dies, but comes back to life (we are using medical definition of death in all this of course!). The Architect has already laid down an ultimatum for Neo choosing the left door: The Architect - "Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race."

Neo - "You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive."

The Architect - "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world."

Looking at this further, the Architect does say "coupled" with the extermination of Zion will the human race be exterminated. So he says everyone connected to the Matrix will die, but if Zion is not exterminated, the human race will not necessarily die. Also, there is likely to be a time-window between not going through the right door, and the cataclysmic crash, thus allowing Neo to unplug as many as possible from the Matrix, then those people won't die. This will be the start of the next Zion. As for the Matrix, a cataclysmic crash doesn't mean the end of the Matrix - just needs rebooting or reloading!


Agent Smith explained

Agent Smith is the only "human" in this world. He's the one spreading himself like a virus replicating himself over and over until the Matrix will finally get overloaded and fail. Smith is the one who wants to get out of the Matrix for good. He said so in the first Matrix, "I must get out of here, I must get free! And in this mind, is the key," squeezing Morpheus's temples, "my key! Once Zion is destroyed, there is no need for me to be here!" Smith knows that by killing Neo he can escape the Matrix because Neo is the key to resetting the Matrix, or to shut it off.

It was originally killing Neo (in the first Matrix) that allowed Smith to become powerful (cloning ability) - so killing Neo again will allow him to gain Neo's powers completely, and thus gain the power to shut down the Matrix. So where the hell did Smith come from if he wants to destroy the Matrix? He's obviously not meant to be there - he's a computer virus as he has every characteristic of a virus - he multiplies and spreads and infects (and emulates) other programs like one. He is exactly as he described humans at the end of the first Matrix - "You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus." But who put him there? This will only be revealed in
Revolutions (Revelations?) I guess - but I'm betting on humans in the real real world, i.e., outside of Zion and the Matrix. They'reat war with the machines and trying to destroy them by infecting them with this virus -Agent Smith.

So the irony with this theory is that Agent Smith represents the human race!! Neo represents the machines! Agent Smith says to Neo just after he's seen the Oracle that he became free when Neo destroyed him in the first Matrix (remember when Neo entered his body and exploded him from inside out) - as a virus, Smith has the ability to "inherit" other programs' abilities and thus inherited some of Neo's.


The anomaly explained

The anomaly is all the humans that do not accept the Matrix. The Architect says "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to aliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control." This includes Neo, but Neo's Matrix avatar is attached with the One program so that he can follow his purpose as explained earlier under "The One explained". However, he is also supposed to protect himself and destroy anything that gets in his way - i.e., Agent Smith - so that he may fulfil his purpose. Further proving Neo - and other non-accepters of the Matrix - are the anomaly, the Architect says, "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix."

The clue here is Neo's program name - "The One". Take one-third for example. 1 over 3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3, you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000, where has the "remainder" 0.00001 (One) gone? This is the limitation of computers, this is the mathematical imprecision inherent in programming (of the Matrix) and the eventuality of the One anomaly unable to be eliminated.


What is the equation then?

Not sure, but it definitely involves pi. The Keymaker refers to the window of time to open the door to the mainframe as 314 seconds. 3.14 is pi to three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. Half a circle is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of Neo and Trinity's love scene - conceiving the next One? "NEO", incidently, is an anagram of "ONE". Trinity and Neo - one on one; a choice - one or one. Leads us to 101. "101" is mentioned numerous times in Matrix 1 and Reloaded. Neo's room at the beginning, Merovingian is on the 101st floor, the 101 freeway of the car chase in Reloaded, then when Trinity is hacking into the power plant system, she resets the password to Z10N0101. Freaky. Indicates that she is a program because that's not some random password she's put in. 101 is binary for 5, which in zero-based binary counting: 000 is 1, 001, is 2, 010 is 3, 011 is 4, 100 is 5, 101 is 6 - And this is the 6th version of the Matrix! Then there's 303. 303 is the room Neo got shot in Matrix 1, the Oracle lives in room 303, it's also the hotel room number Trinity is in in Matrix 1 and it's seen at the end when Neo fights the Agents and Smith and begins to literally see the code that makes up the Matrix. 101 x 3 = 303, a trilogy, 3 + 0 + 3 = 6 = the 6th Matrix.

Trinity means 3.


Who is the "mother" that the Architect refers to?

The Architect says, "Please," in an almost disapproving sense when Neo suggests the Oracle, but does not reveal who it really is or even directly that Neo is wrong. The architect was the one who created the Matrix; the co-creator is neither Persephone nor the Oracle.

Both of them are only programs that have a purpose in the matrix, just like the rest.

The Architect is in charge of the Matrix world and the co-creator is in charge of Zion. She has almost the same age as the Architect. Therefore, that woman is the Head Counsellor, the only woman of importance that lives in Zion and the one who asked for the two captains to volunteer at the council meeting. She's the one who knew all along about the Matrix. She was the one who told Zion's Defence Minister to cool off and to let Morpheus do his work so things could go as planned. Or alternatively, it could indeed be the Oracle. She is the only program that truly wants humans to have a free choice... at the same time, she sees the future, because she knows the program code - she is like God - which is why Seraph protects her - see "Who is Seraph?" below.


What's so special about Neo's avatar?

Neo is a skilled hacker, and his avatar in the Matrix is based on the person that founded the AI of the original machines that eventually took over the world... How? Take a look at the disc he gave to the bloke at the door at the beginning of Matrix 1. It said "DISC AI" on it. The hollowed book Neo takes the disc out of is "Simulacra and Simulation" - a collection of essays by the French postmodernist philosopher Jean Baudrillard. He opens it to the section "on Nihilism" (meaning nothing is truly known, etc.). "Baudrillard's concept of simulation is the creation of the real through conceptual or 'mythological' models which have no connection or origin in reality. The model becomes the determinant of our perception of reality--the real." And Morpheus says, "Welcome to the desert of the real," in Matrix 1. I'd say this book describes The Matrix to a tee. So this disc contains the key to the AI, and thus how to destroy the machines, so I think they'll use this info in Revolutions to ultimately destroy the machines, which means he'll have to go back to the nightclub and find the guy he gave it to.


Who is Seraph?

The reason Seraph (the chink guy Neo meets before meeting the Oracle) had golden code and was so spectacular is that he came from the first incarnation of the matrix, which was heaven. "Seraph" is singular for the plural "seraphim". The seraphim are the highest choir of angels and included amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and Malaciah, and they sit on the 8th level of Heaven just one below God. So Seraph will obviously have a big part in Revolutions, but whose side will he be on - the machines or the humans?? That is the question.


The Twins

They are exiled programs that emulate the human myth of ghosts as the Oracle explained. They are programs behaving badly. Persephone killed one of the Merovingian's bodyguards with a silver bullet because he was emulating a werewolf. So if the Twins could phase into ghost form, why didn't he when his arm was trapped in the door of the garage?

Was it because he was wounded or because he can't phase when his arm is trapped? No of course not. The doors of that building, when shut, always led somewhere else (usually in the mountains) when opened again without the Keymaker's key. So if it were slammed shut due to the Twin phasing into ghost form, the Twin's arm would've ended up god knows where, but certainly not attached to the Twin's body

[U V]

i found the film just a normal 'popcorn' film realy and not as good as the first; i was hoping for maybe a film like 'Blade II' where its just differant from the first one and stands up in its own right.
i loved the camera angles and the use of shadow in the first half of the first film [very 'Dark City'] but this seemed to have none of it.

i prefer 'The AniMatrix' as there is more style and vision in the short storys than both live action films

[JABBERJAW]

That explanation is good except that the wachowski brothers said they would never do anything so stupid as to have the real world be a matrix as well.