Website for Global Rankings

[idloveacupoft]

I'll check out the vid and add some times. I'm an average pilot, so I'm sure my times wont make anyone up there too scared :)

[scarfrogers]

Doesn't matter dude! More important to get new faces on the site. Post away! Never feel they aren't fast enough, we all start somewhere!

[Connavar]

Hello, haven't been here for a while, but the ranking website is still running!

[terra-wrists]

..and we love you for it, thanks Connavar :) :+

[mannjon]

Great site Connavar.

I have a few questions about the overall ranking if you don't mind.

1. Is Phantom weighted higher than other classes for overall rank? I've noticed a few pilots with a higher overall ranking that have a lower average and a lower number of entered times. I looked at their matrices, and their scores are mostly in the Phantom class.

2. Is there a penalty for not having Syncopia races, time trials, and speedlaps? I noticed a significant boost in averages for the few events I've completed on Syncopia, but I can't tell if my scores are being brought down for not having some of them added.

3. I figured that on average, not having an event added drops the total weighted score for that track by about 50 points for each event not added (for example, if I had a 1000 score on a time trial, but no other scores added, then it seems like my total score for that track for a specific speed class would be around 850).

4. For those events where 1 pilot has a lead time posted by around 2-3 seconds higher than anyone else, I have an incredibly low score even for being in the top 50. Is it better to not post my time for that event or leave it in for overall ranking?

Thanks!

[kleidoscopik_1er]

@Connavar: And i hope it will be running for ages ^^.
Thx for it, that's the best wipeout hd's tool. It make the game 10 times better for lots of reasons, in my eyes.
Every games should have a cool and interactive leaderboard like this one.
If i was developing a racing game, that's how i'll wanted the leaderboard to be on the official website :)

[nu9get]

would be cool a facebook app\page that share any record update in real time!
a lot of people use facebook, can be usefull...the new records will show up in the home so you can see them instead of refreshing the site anytime

[stin]

Very good idea!

stevie:)

[Connavar]

Hello!
mannjon:
#1: yes, phantom gives more points
#2: something like that ...
#3: true, because it makes sense, do you think you deserve 1000 points for a track if you only did time trial on it? The site will reward all-rounded pilots
#4: yes, that's true, the algorithm was working well until people started performing crazy BR!

=> about the #4, I can improve the algorithm to make it really fair (it's not bad I think but it can become perfect), I have the solution in my head.

However, since there will be a new Wipeout compilation soon, I plan to redo the whole site from scratch to accomodate the new game!!!

The site will be basically the same as this one but much better optimized + you will be able to choose multiple games (new filter), so it can support the PSP + PS3 + Vita + PS4 games + the Events section will be working ... finally.

[JFthebestJan]

the good thing with PS4 is, no1 can argue anymore to not post video, cause PS4 records your gameplay, and it's easy as it can get to edit everything and upload it to multiple sites as YouTube / twitch and stuff.
edit 1: with one of the latest firmware updates it's possible now to record up to 60 minutes of gameplay!
edit 2: i predict however, that it'll not be possible to best any WR made on PS3 played with d-pad. hear my words, DS3 is far superior to DS4 in terms of d-pad acrobatics ;)

[nu9get]

there's a way to make the DS3 work on PS4?

[JFthebestJan]

if you have an up to date pstv, then the answer is yes, BUT it has input lag, so the definitive answer is NO, unfortunately no 'real' way to use DS3 on PS4 :(

[Connavar]

i predict however, that it'll not be possible to best any WR made on PS3 played with d-pad. hear my words, DS3 is far superior to DS4 in terms of d-pad acrobatics ;)

=> that's why I will add a "GAME" filter, so it will be possible to:
- see combined rankings (PS3/PS4/vita...)
- individual rankings (only PS3, only PS4, only vita, etc)

It will be interesting to see on which platform we can get the fastest laps, it might depend on the track as well, who knows.

[Cipher]

Glad to hear Conna! :)
Please do add a way to ban ppl by IP if you're re-doing it, spammers/flamers/haters like the friendisspeed guy ruined the chat box from time to time
If you need assistance coding, just ask ;)

[xI-eI2aiiZZa-Ix]

Isn't that irrelevant?
I mean if you can play with the stick, it is arguably the superior input way.
Imo it doesn't make any sense to distunguish between two solutions being inferior to stick. It's rather important then to determine the (possible) differences between the sticks. But since I haven't tested rhe DS4 to the same extent as the DS3, I cant help on that topic.

[JFthebestJan]

...I mean if you can play with the stick, it is arguably the superior input way...

why exactly? from my personal experience, the stick sucks compared to d-pad. it's personal preference, you cannot say stick is superior, nor the opposite.

[xI-eI2aiiZZa-Ix]

Well, you have told me once that you suck at phantom because it is too hard too control the ship with the D-pad. And i personally think the same, hence i dared to make the assumption that it applies for everyone.

[JFthebestJan]

yeah, but with stick i suck even more in phantom as with d-pad. as i said, it's personal preference, no 'stick is superior to d-pad' nor the other way around applies here. it's subjective, not objective. that's all im saying ;)

[xI-eI2aiiZZa-Ix]

Well, one could approach that topic statistically by looking at the top 50 players of all different classes and game modes for example.
And by examining the distribution one yould derive at least a tendency.
In general i would put it this way:
The stick is better for basic maneuvering the ship, simply the race line. It is definetely more precise than the pad. I suppose we can agree on that.
The D-pad on the other hand is easier for doing barrel rolls.
But here is the thing. Learning how to implement the barrel rolls with fast execution on the stick is not as hard as reaching the same steering precision with the dpad as it is possible with the stick.
This gap is why i think the stick is better on the top level. But of course, i don't mean to say that you can't reach top level by dpad usage as you have proved already by yourself ;)
But feel free to disagree with that conclusion.

[terra-wrists]

whatever floats your boat :D

Scimi

[nu9get]

And i personally think the same, hence i dared to make the assumption that it applies for everyone.

nope, not for everyone, i can't drive the ship well with sticks, i use only d-pad (pitch too, i removed motion sensors from ds3 to make it lighter), especially on phantom! as JF said, it's subjective



The stick is better for basic maneuvering the ship, simply the race line. It is definetely more precise than the pad. I suppose we can agree on that.
The D-pad on the other hand is easier for doing barrel rolls.
But here is the thing. Learning how to implement the barrel rolls with fast execution on the stick is not as hard as reaching the same steering precision with the dpad as it is possible with the stick.


aaaaaand also no, still subjective; imho. i used to play d-pad since first wipeouts on ps1, and i use d-pad for every race game played on console, i get waaaay better lines with d-pad since i used it for years, and execute good BRs meanwhile....learned more faster than the sticks. i had decent times with it...

depends on the player, on which game style you feel more comfortable, if you play well and feel good with sticks, you'll never play good with d-pad and viceversa.

also i don't think me and JF are the only in top 10\20 that used d-pad, if i'm not wrong Lilith maybe uses it?

[xI-eI2aiiZZa-Ix]

Back in the days i've played need for speed and gran turismo only wirh the dpad, just wipeout made me switch to stick...

[nu9get]

Back in the days i've played need for speed and gran turismo only wirh the dpad, just wipeout made me switch to stick...

same here for gran turismo and need for speed :D *brofist*

for me playing with dpad is a tradition, switching to sticks would be a betrayal :lol

[tug_14]

stick

[Connavar]

Hello!
I'm adding support for all the games now, but I need help.
Can you check if this list is correct, and if not, what to change?

http://wipeoutrankings.com/script/games.py

What I want, for each game:
- best way to name the game: Wipeout 2097 or wipEout 2097 or ... ???
- all the modes
- all the classes
- all the ships and combinations if they impact the results (for example Icaras+, or AG Systems - agility)
- all the tracks, in the racebox order (unless it's better to present them in the alphabetical order on the site??)

+ which sub-sections to use, for example:
```Forward
track 1
track 2
Reverse
track 1
track 2
```

I think that's about it?

Do we need Wipeout 64?

And then we'll be able to select a game, and the modes / ships / tracks will match accordingly.

Thanks!

[Connavar]

Okay I think I got it right ... also added Wipeout 64.
Now I'm missing some icons for the tracks ... I'm wondering if anyone has drawn them here? SVG would be best :p

[Cipher]

You can find most of the stuff needed for HD/Fury here: https://liger-inuzuka.deviantart.com/art/Wipeout-HD-Fury-Shapes-Mega-Pack-Resources-402758653 (see description for teams)
It's in .csh format (custom shape), but you should be able to export them to .svg from that

Thanks again for putting all this work in! :)

[mannjon]

One thing I noticed was support for super phantom on the HD fury side. Is this a real thing? I've never seen it.

[JFthebestJan]

the original link from first post is dead atm, this means either the site is gone for good, or it'll be re-launched soon...

[Connavar]

Haven't checked the site for some time, but I did today, and it was down due to some SQL issue, so I fixed that and it's back up.
However, that's still the old version. I have a new version working with all the Wipeout games, going to release it soon.

[carbonara2097]

hey conna, nugget here, can't wait for the update! do you have any idea when it's up? the site is backup again but it still have some errors

[blackwiggle]

Conna, I just sent you a PM......as I did ages ago [When Omega Pack was released]....hopefully you will answer this one....MUCH NEEDED site for record keeping :lol

[Connavar]

Okay, the site is a mess, because it's old code (2007) and I can do 100x better now, and certainly not in .php anymore ... did you know that the host upgraded PHP from 5 to 7 and then of course the site stopped working, as PHP 7 is not backward compatible (facepalm)! Of course, on the host, it's not possible to revert to PHP 5.
However, the only problem is the domain name, I'd like to keep wipeoutrankings.com.
I'm willing to do the work because I already have another version that supports multiple games. I'll check your message now.

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I started working on it now, going to transfer the domain and have a completely new and better site, written in node.js and javascript and getting rid of the php code.
I'm not starting from scratch as I have the layout and javascript for handling multiple games, that part works great and here are some screenshots.
So I just need to redo the server side.
ETA: 3 weeks. Until them, please write down the records somewhere else.
Also, I will add a surprise that will look fantastic, but I won't say anything until then.

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[JFthebestJan]

Hey Connavar, what about adding 'BallisticNG' to the rooster of games included into your rankings site? I know, it's not an official wipEout game, but technically spoken it is the most complete wipEout game out there, and the best one as well ;)

[Connavar]

Hi, the new site is almost ready and supports any game as long as they have similar modes, like SPEED LAP, TIME TRIAL, etc.
Can you give me the list of all modes + tracks + classes + ships for that game?

[JFthebestJan]

yeah, of course, i'll make a list and sent it via pm...

hey, here are the infos regarding the game...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/473770/BallisticNG/

mode: Race / Time Trial / Speed Lap / Survival (Zone)

class: Toxic (Venom) / Apex (Flash) / Halberd (Rapier) / Spectre (Phantom) / Zen

track: Cassandra / Zephyr Ridge / Surge / Harpstone / Aciknovae / Zephyr Climb / Nova Split / Luna / Dover / Ishtar Citadel / Arrivon XI / Omega Harbour / Utah Project / Marina Rush / Atlantica / Europa / Vega Square / Route 05 / Thunderhead / Basin / Metro
- ALL of those tracks have a reverse version and can be raced in Mirror mode as well, which means 4 variants of each track!

special track: Tokyo Bowl / Relay / Underpass / Lujiazui Park / Hydrome Bed (no Survival mode!) / Arrivon Peak (no Survival mode!)
- ALL of those tracks have NOT a reverse version, but can be raced in Mirror mode, which means 2 variants of each track!

team: G-Tek / Wyvern / Hyperion / Scorpio / Omnicom / Diavolt / Nexus / Tenrai / Protonic / NX2000 / MTech / Caliburn / Barracuda 0 / Barracuda A
- ALL of those teams can be raced in ANY mode, but NOT in Survival mode!

special team: Barracuda S
- it's the standard Survival ship and can be used in any mode, but must be unlocked first, which is not an easy task ;)

VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW IS:
this game consists of 2 physics models, that means you have the PS1 era and the PS4 era physics, which essentially means you get 2 completely different games!
PS1 era (2159) = handling mix of wipEout 2097 and wip3out!
PS4 era (2280) = handling mix of wipEout HD/Fury and wipEout 2048!

cheers and thank you very much in advance...

[Connavar]

Thanks. What's that mirror mode, it changes the track completely, or just visually? Wondering if I should include that in the rankings.
I'll add a new filter for the physics model.
A bit tricky to add the exceptions like: "ship is available in all modes except Zone".
Race = Single Race + Multiplayer Race?
Also which stats are kept for those modes, same as Wipeout HD? for ex: Speed Pads, Best Lap, ...

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Got this for now. Track order that you gave is correct, or better to put it in alphabetical order?

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See the "PHYSICS" filter? It only appears when "Ballistic NG" is chosen, that way, it doesn't unnecessarily clutter the interface when looking at other games.
I can use this technique to add game specific filters for upcoming games.

[JFthebestJan]

Mirror mode is exactly that, it mirrors the track, which makes it a new track.

Race = single and multiplayer race, yes.

the track order in my above post is exactly the ingame order.

for Race and Time Trial modes the extra section is 'Best Lap', for 'Survival' mode the extra section is 'Perfect Zone'. Speed Lap has no extra section.