Watering down the Class to win...

[Aeroracer]

what about the fake id brigade who play in a room and win a game cos they were lucky run away instantly then come back on in a different id and lose like normal..thats so funny when you know its the same player and you send them a text saying hi and good games but accidently say there last user id name instead of their current one they are using..

or howabout the players who get beat slag you off with rude texts then change id's come back in then pretend to be your friend..

all these types of activities and you thought wipeout was just simple racing....

[RedScar]

I couldn't even find a phantom race today, first time I've logged in in a very long time but everything was elim or flash/venom which is bah. The one rapier race I did make it in didn't have anyone who could compete, won twice by 10 seconds and I'm not fast compared to most ppl on this forum.

I also waited in a server that was running a phantom tourny, but it was on the 5/7 race so I decided to wait it out. Tourny finishes and host switches it to elim......RAGE!!!!!!!!

[Temet]

I personnaly agree with Kyonshi's initial post.
I didn't read the fighting posts after, don't care about them
That's all for me.

[UB3R~JKP]

That's very arrogant of you Temet, oh well...

[Rapier Racer]

... if they can't handle pilots who want to make a room more of a challenge by trying to evening out the odds, no other two ways about it in my opinion.

I disagree.

What dropping the class does is offer the less skilled host a little more control over the ship which may or more likely as I have experienced may not make it any more competitive at all. They just get smashed at a slower more boring pace as the Phantom pilot is still better at navigating the track and quite possibly with the weapons too. The very reason I tend to drop out there no buzz to a race like that.

[UB3R~JKP]

I disagree.

Phantom pilots are bred for speed but rubbishing other classes is nothing short of pathetic...just cause you don't see the point doesn't mean it ain't there. If you come out of your "phantom master race club" tinted classes you may see that.

Bit of a laugh you think phantom pilots are better than pilots who main other classes, wonder what JJ will have to say...

Also, are you saying Mini cup drivers are less skilled overall in comparison to F1 drivers in hindsight?

[KGB]

This has been covered a little before here

It does leave a wry smile on your face when things like this start happening. Personally It winds me up a bit if someone plays a track over and over until they win and then move on to another track. It's is if they are waiting for what they consider the right result to occur and all other results previously were erroneous.

Shifting up in speed annoys me more than dropping speed classes, this is where they usually do the start-straight-away trick. You get the feeling that they are chuckling to themselves 'he he, I fooled them, losers'.

All this is based on what I think is true of course the reality may be different.

Remember: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you .

[kanar]

I disagree. If you come out of your "phantom master race club" tinted classes you may see that.

heey Rapier is retired anyway no? Plasma dude, should be great to see you online more often!

UB3R, I agree there, & would have been awesome if JF took a little of his time to show us his skills at the cup. I don't know exactly what mini cup is; but I would compare venom & phantom with karting & F1 myself. As I'm used to phantom, I feel venom like a slow motion movie. But the fact I'm feeling like neo in the matrix doesn't prevent me at all to face a Smith agent (yeah JJPAP I'm using again my dumb analogy I served you recently ah ah) and deeply eat the dust. Because my reflexes are based on phantom speed, and my br spots, more important, are based on phantom speed too; what I'm trying to say is venom, flash and rapier (regular) users have a slight advantage compared to phantom pilots only, as they know more (useful) br spots. And they're used to this speed more than an exclusive phantom junkie.
But hey, Ayrton Senna didn't make his entire carreer into karting

[Aeroracer]

I started playing wipeout on phantom.my attitude to other speed classes was if its not phantom you are rubbish and unskilled..only phantom mattered all non phantom players are rubbish.
Luckily for me i do not have this total crap incorrect attitude anymore.
now i have played all speeds i have realised lower speed players use different skills.i have played and beaten good phantom players on slow speeds but have lost to phantom players who can play all speeds as all phantom players cannot compete at all speeds.same as venom only players can play phantom.

Trashing low speeds is not right.miss a pad on venom and you lose the game miss a pad on phantom and it makes little difference

[Kyonshi]

Something striking me is that, except the fact i may brought my point in a mistaken way, most people find it annoying and lame that some players may shift down Classes and start-right-away, while i was criticized to over-think it all

Anyway, i'd beg to differ from UBER~JKP and agree with Rapier Racer.

We cannot deny the fact that most beginners play lower speed Classes and most experienced play at least Rapier and higher. Now i've seen a lot of low rank players trying their luck on Phantom and quickly realizing they can't fit in there for the time being. They will retro-grade to lower Classes. Kinda confirms what Rapier Racer said. Slower speed means better control for less experienced pilots.

Phantoms pilots may find this a bit boring and can legitimately assert so. On the other hand, i firmly believe that, based on personal experience and observations done through 2 years of playing, Phantom players still have the upper hand whatever Class they play into.

If you try to be a race technician at least a bit, you easily adapt yourself and still point out where the BR spots are and where those can't be performed the same way as in Phantom, if not possible at all. Reaction time of Phantom players are inevitably more developped than those of Flash or Venom. Playing at Phantom Class kinda puts you into sort of trance, getting yourself concentrated and navigating in the most surgical way to grab Speed pads and at the same time managing pick-ups. What's the result then when you play on lower Classes? You race while your mind steps back and can take more time to analyze what's going on. Having your anticipation senses sharpened on Phantom does logically make you a better pilot on lower Classes, and i believe this can also be applied and observed.

I played a lot of races on Venom yesterday. I mostly never do that but there was so few rooms to play and i wanted to race anyway. I won most of them with the Spare Time badge. I don't what does this mean to you people but i kinda see it like Rapier Racer does

This said, i think its wrong to tend to see Phantom players as up-tight people who despise the lower Classes. As far as i'm concerned, i take nothing for granted, anything can happen, anything is possible. But the facts are there and can be observed. To everyone what fits them best, but nothing convinced me yet that an everyday Venom pilot can race adequately in Phantom.

[JABBERJAW]

I think that a hosted room should remain the same speed class, that is why someone joined your room in the first place. If I was playing venom, and someone switched to phantom I would be agitated by this. It doesn't make sense to change that when people joined your game to play at a specific speed. I think the changing ship thing is an accident though, just trying to get the game started again, and not waste a crapload of time

[kanar]

Just like I said Kyonshi, Ayrton Senna moved on to phantom class. But there's pilots around here, who never made this step, cos' they're more at ease at lower speed. You can beat 'em in phantom, but you couldn't compete with 'em at their own fav speed class. Sorry but I don't know well JF(thebest smthing); I think he doesn't like phantom, but I know for a fact he's a serial killah at lower speed class.

[SaturnReturn]

Indeed, there's a big difference between the average player who is starting out and can't handle phantom just yet, and those who continue to push and improve on lower speed classes. There are plenty against whom I know I personally wouldn't stand a chance at lower speed classes unless I did a lot of learning.

That's very arrogant of you Temet, oh well...

I think he just meant he doesn't care for arguments. Fail to see how that's arrogant.

...rubbishing other classes is nothing short of pathetic...

But calling other people pathetic just because you don't agree with their opinion is perfectly fine? Even though I disagree with RR's opinion too, I consider 'pathetic' quite a strong word, and quite insulting. Not sure why you seem to be having a go at people here in this thread JKP, but I'd appreciate it if you could share your opinion with less attacks on peoples' character. That goes for the thread in general - I've had already requests to close the thread, so let's please keep this friendly.

[leungbok]

IMHO phantom speed prepares you better to be competitive on slower classes than the opposite ! Learning new BR spots isn't the most difficult !
But i'm not a phantom only dictator hey, i play and have fun on all classes!!

[SaturnReturn]

I agree it's not too difficult to learn them, but to cover all the tracks takes a reasonable investment of time, so against people who really specialise at those classes I think plenty of phantom racers would struggle, if they were just thrown into it, probably (massive speculation).

[JJPAP]

But the fact I'm feeling like neo in the matrix doesn't prevent me at all to face a Smith agent (yeah JJPAP I'm using again my dumb analogy I served you recently ah ah) and deeply eat the dust.

Sorry for moving away from the actual subject, getting back in a while ...
Definately not a dumb analogy, Kanar (took a while to get it, though, rewinding my mind back all those years to The Matrix Years - almost Lumiére, hehe). I´m absolutely convinced: Different speed classes = Different skills. Almost 4 different games, each taking more than a couple of hours to master ... ... And I´m not the one to define what the "preferable" skills are - or speed class. You like - You choose. Simple as that (to me).

Actual subject ("Hosting"):
I really don´t see the problem! It´s a 3 sec annoyance (well, like a bad respawn!). Just leave the room, make a new room and host the way you think the game is supposed to be hosted

[Aeroracer]

I agree with you saturn and jjap about all classes have there own skills .you cannot assume just because you play phantom that you can easily win on lower speeds.i thought i could and found out i couldnt.there is a big dfference.i respect all speed class players with equal respect now.

[Rapier Racer]

Phantom pilots are bred for speed but rubbishing other classes is nothing short of pathetic

Rubbishing other classes? Anything below Rapier I find boring, which is my preference, how is this rubbishing? Dropping classes and sharply starting the race, purposely not allowing people time leave the room is pathetic. I failed to see any increase in the competition on the occasions it happened to me, since you seem to have missed a key part of that post, let me help you out. AS I HAVE EXPERIENCED.

On no occasion did the class get lowered for me to then have my ass handed to me, thus formulating the opinion stated. I've not played online for a while so even if I got back into it, this may not be the case any more.

If you come out of your "phantom master race club" tinted classes you may see that.

Why would I want to willingly drop my class choice down? My sense of entertainment would go down with it, generally speaking, Rapier is the only other class I find entertaining for a while at least. Phantom class tinted?

Bit of a laugh you think phantom pilots are better than pilots who main other classes, wonder what JJ will have to say...Also, are you saying Mini cup drivers are less skilled overall in comparison to F1 drivers in hindsight?

YES!! That's exactly what I'm saying, as you can see in my post by the many times I made comparisons of a fictitious game to real life sports, none of which I'm interested in and one I've not even heard of.

[RedScar]

Why can't we all just get along? This discussion of opinions has now started down the ugly road of personal (whether direct or indirect) attacks.

[amplificated]

It's more annoying to join a single race game and the host changes it to zone battle or eliminator. I don't really like those game modes

I don't mind speed class changes that much. The most annoying things are when the host starts before you even get a chance to leave, or takes too long to start. Or choosing the same track over and over again... Or just choosing a linear path through the tracks, going from Vineta K to Tech De Ra (fine in Avalon, which is competitive, but a bit tiresome and uninteresting against random people).

If the host ever does something that doesn't gel with what I want from the game at the time, I'll leave. It's not a big deal - there's usually other rooms with people in them.