Speed Glitch (used in my moa therma venom TT)

[blackwiggle]

If somebody can explain to me how the hell anybody can come down on top of another racer [Not boosting over with nose up/turbo], just as that racer is running over the pick up/weapon pads at the beginning of the home straight of Sol2 forward, without using a glitch/exploit go ahead, I'm all ears!

It would seem from my brief encounter with the lower speed classes that they have become like Dodge City, and that this Glitch/exploit has not only been used for some considerable time, but has become so wide spread it has become accepted practice among those who make these speed classes their specialty.
[reading some of the replies in this thread have basically confirmed this to be true]

It's a pity, if only for the reason that those who are using them can't see the damage they are doing to the game.

Most if not all newcomers to Wipeout started at the lower speed classes and work themselves up to Phantom.
They do that because they have gained experience in craft control, learned the tracks by heart and gain some sort of game plan on whether to use a weapon or absorb etc.
This learning curve, slow but steady gaining of skills, has historically been based on the old psychological reward of lose a few win a few principal, that's providing that the required skill level to win a few has been reached.

Now if you put in this glitch/exploit, which is being used in these training classes [I don't mean that as slight to venom/Flash specialists] the win to loss ratio is altered to such an extent that those new to Wipeout, who either don't use the glitch/exploit by choice, or are oblivious to it's existence, won't be getting their fair share of wins.
The inevitable result is loss of interest in getting better and eventual abandoning of the game entirely.

If you don't have new people joining into the Wipeout community then that community will die due to natural attrition, no community means no people playing it, then they shut the servers down, end of story.

[SaturnReturn]

As far as I've read I still only know two people using it. What makes you think it's accepted practice BW?

[Reezy]

@blackwiggle.
A lot of the elitely skilled pilots on this board have a very good reputation and I think it is very unfair to hurl accusations at the majority of them, just because a tiny minority have been abusing a glitch.

"but has become so wide spread it has become accepted practice among those who make these speed classes their specialty.
[reading some of the replies in this thread have basically confirmed this to be true] "

These words to me imply that you do mean those very people, and is a bit disrespectful to be honest.

Call me naive but if they say they haven't been using this glitch then I'd like to believe them.

[Oryx Crake]

@bw I dunno about standard practice or anything, though I do agree that my win/loss ratio has been getting worse of late...

In any case I'd like to refer you to my last post on the page before this one.
I mean I honestly dont see the point of being angry with the fact that there are glitches in the game for very long, not that I like the fact that there are but, honestly, what can we do about it? We can either live with it and be proud that we are honest racers who dont abuse the glitches, or we can cry bloody murder every time we see a glitch being used... I for one will choose the former.

[MegaGeeza22]

Blimey.. i think someone should lock this thread lol, before it gets out of hand!

[SaturnReturn]

Really? I think it's pretty tame considering. Threads have been locked in the past that were far worse than this and people have complained about their freedom of speech bla bla bla.

That's not to say people should make it worse. Keep it measured folks.

[amplificated]

If somebody can explain to me how the hell anybody can come down on top of another racer [Not boosting over with nose up/turbo], just as that racer is running over the pick up/weapon pads at the beginning of the home straight of Sol2 forward, without using a glitch/exploit go ahead, I'm all ears!

It would seem from my brief encounter with the lower speed classes that they have become like Dodge City, and that this Glitch/exploit has not only been used for some considerable time, but has become so wide spread it has become accepted practice among those who make these speed classes their specialty.
[reading some of the replies in this thread have basically confirmed this to be true]

Firstly, due to the lag in the game, it's hard to tell what other people are doing - full stop. Everything on screen seems to be a disjointed version of events taking place a second behind what is actually happening. Personally, I've raced slow-train in the past and I haven't ever thought he was cheating.

Secondly, I'm calling bullshit. I really don't think that many random players stumble across wozone in a period of a few hours to the point where every other player who plays the game is going to know about the exploit, let alone use it. I'm also failing to remember seeing any replies from players declaring that they're going to use this online, but I'd be happy for you to point some out to me though.
Venom takes a different set of skills to master than Phantom, and it's very BR-heavy. Maybe you're just not used to it?

[yeldar2097]

It was meeeeeeeee, I'm using it everywhere!
...Nothing like lightening the mood when you have nothing of value to add

Although I must agree, there's only a handful of people that know about this glitch, and prior to this thread being made I'm pretty sure there were only 3 people that knew about it, one of which was me (as a result of talking to one of the people who actually used it). Now that this thread is out, and handful of other players know about it too, none of whom I would ever think to acuse of using it. Respectable players basically. Most pilots are too good for this kind of thing, we're elitist and snobby like that

[Darkdrium777]

Read this thread with the Indian accent and there's absolutely no tension...

[yeldar2097]

Tripe removed

[SaturnReturn]

Well if there's still that much time to gain then it does make me wonder what the big deal is on these other tracks. Proving it's achievable, by anyone, supports what DjM has said really, in that his times aren't glitched on those tracks. People can not believe it all they like but it's only if they're impossible to achieve without it that anyone can be sure, at least with out absolute proof.

Also, I don't get the Alan Partridge thing, and this last one seems a bit unnecessary.

[Jav]

Lmao Yeldar has gone on some epic 'beat the crap out of Djm1z' spree, love it

Yes Saturn, but a relatively new guy leaving Yeldar and Leung behind on a 4 lap time trial is very suspect, as (and I am sorry) I don't think DjM would get anywhere near those times without the glitch. Then again I also like to think of humans as good and honest people, everyone that does not have power to rule within reach at least, but it's highly suspect this time.

[MegaGeeza22]

lol, yeldars video almost makes me want to give up wipeout lol! i wish i had all that free time... then maybe id be better.

[yeldar2097]

Yeah ok fine I'll edit out the tripe, wevs.

[amplificated]

Yeldar's video was about 90% flawless and still only got the top time by .02 off a known glitcher, whose only videos haven't been particularly spectacular displays of skill - when they were uploaded less than 2 months ago. And now he refuses to record videos. Very, very sus to say the least I think.

TBH I think this glitch is a bit weird, and if it became more well known a lot earlier, it could possibly have been a legit tactic. However, when there's so many years of history behind the series and around 2 years of records being made in this game without the knowledge or the use of this glitch (which is so unintuitive and nonsensical, less than a handful of people had even discovered it after 2 years), it's fair to say it shouldn't be used. It's obviously not meant to be a part of the game, and it's a shame Studio Liverpool will likely not be releasing any more patches to fix this (or any of the other glitches people have already been complaining about for ages, for that matter).

Honestly, if it were really in dispute, I'd say there should be a poll from the best players and community figures to put a final word on its legitimacy.
Personally I think the factors I listed above take it out of contention for being legit.

[icarasDragon]

I couldn't care less about this glitch, with it being censored and all this arguing who isn't of scared being yelled at if they are discovered using it. the leaderboards are so buggered up with bad uploads, cheaters, glitchers, liars and hackers I only read or watch unedited videos or recounts by some of the most respected pilots! /rant

[blackwiggle]

I've decide to throw in the towel regarding this or any other glitch/exploit.
It seems nobody really cares anyway, so stuff it.

I've been playing HD online since day one, I know when something strange occurring is due to Lag [which this incident defiantly was not] or a glitch.

Why do insist that a glitch was used you may ask?
Because there is a stash of private videos that were made ages ago that showed this exact glitch, plus many more.
It was made to prove a point, or to put it bluntly, proof that somebody who was using glitched times to get on top of the leader boards, and it was decide by all that knew about the glitch's and who viewed the videos not to use them, or to tell others how to do them for the intention of protection of the legitimacy of the records.
That's all gone to **** now anyway with this current mess.

On the Sol2 forward glitch's it shows the take off points and the arrival back on the track points, which is where I was at one of them when it happened, and I've race that track online at least 1000+ times and it has never happened before, so naturally my suspicions were automatically raised.

Who the actual perpetrator was remains in doubt, I don't know for sure, I can't remember who else was in the room, if I did I would name them, all I know were the zoners who I was racing at the time, who I have never named by the way.
I know Slowtrain, Texasalex, Tarqinfarquar , Sinus1 and the rest of the Venom/Flash experts are damm fast, and they don't need to cheat to win.

It just seemed one hell of a coincidence to me that this very thread reporting the use of a glitch at venom/Flash speeds appears at the zone, then within 24 hours I happen to be in a race with a few of the above zoners and somebody decides to use it, right in front of me!
What the hell am I supposed to think?

It would be negligent in my duty as a raptor in the HD WC to not call attention/warning to what I thought might end up being a possible breaching of the code of ethics, in fairness to all competitors.

I had to call it as I saw it.

Ok , ready for the firing squad now.

[phaeton_pl]

I have nearly 900 hours of gameplay on my account (60% is venom/flash) and i've never found this glitch before. I do speed laps most of time, trying to find some tricks, shortcuts, overusing sideshifts, finding ideas how to get faster but i NEVER noticed this glitch. I'm i just unaware or this glitch is not so obvious and easy to find? Anyway, i don't think it's widespread at all and there is no need to panic

This topic have so many clues how to do this glitch that i found it easily last night I'm affraid i'm not the only one. We should move on i think, this topic brings attention and is not helping to keep the glitch in secret.


P.S. I was checking leaderboards over the weekend. Venom, flash - M1zw1z is everywhere. I was happy to "fix" some of those #1 records

[blackwiggle]

Please don't tell me you used the glitch as well to knock him off.

[KGB]

It just seemed one hell of a coincidence to me

I would suspect that that was all it was Blackwiggle. Also are you saying that this glitch has been know for a while or are you talking about another one.

Slow-Train as of this moment has pulled out of the cup due to this. I hope some of us could talk him round. I haven't talked to him much prior to the cup starting, I have since, and it would be a big loss if he wasn't playing. He isn't interested in how to do this glitch. Someone who has been playing so long as you Blackwiggle should know strange things can happen in multiplayer without it meaning someone is cheating.