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    That was seriously impressive videos of these tracks, so smooth as hell and loving it!

    stevie

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    Hi all !

    I've started working on a remake


    TEAMS.INF


    EBOLT.INF


    MISS.INF


    PBAR.INF

    The road to victory will obviously be very long but I guess it can be done.

    I first would like to thank Dominic Szablewski because without his work there wouldn't be anything to start from, coincidentally I started to look at the files just two days ago before his post and it's crystal clear to me that I wouldn't have figured out all he did figure in his WebGL experiment.

    The project and its status:
    • using C# and MonoGame
    • implemented out pretty much all he did in his experiment
    • coded a scene parser/renderer and a bunch of other things
    • a GUI app. to preview and reverse engineer remaining things (WIP)


    Once I feel there's a decent workspace for potential contributors I will push onto GitHub as well as making some RSS feed about the progress. Let's see what emerges from this project say within a 1 month time frame ...

    Help is welcome !

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    o_O "Curiosity amazing" I do not understand much about this because it's not my job, but what you are doing is a great job. This is the continuing human evolution. "Leonardo Da Vinci" dissected corpses to understand the human body. Sigh..Sigh .. my little "WO" what you are doing? I hope that "WO" as the "Phoenix" .. can rise from the ashes

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    aybe - I have already had this discussion with another member over a remake of the original game. You need to be aware that any use of the Wipeout IP and all associated trademarks would be in breach of copyright

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    I would also want to add that doing a remake is a LOT of work, something that is usually underestimated.

    Making a track viewer is quite easy (unless you have to reverse engineer most of data format yourself, like Dominic Szablewski / Phoboslab did). While it might looks like a huge step have been done, this is actually 5% of the job.

    Doing a complete game (remake) with all bells and whistles is another story. Not to say that it would require to carefully reproduce the physics from original game (AFAIK, we have no clue how exactly it works), making a gross approximation that is great to play but not faithful to original would make the remake a totally different game.

    @Hellfire_WZ's yes you are right. Anyway, copyright issues can be avoided by forcing players to bring the original data by themselves to play the game (so original CD would be required and remake executable would read data from there directly). If you do it like that you should be fine. Importing the original 3D models in a 3D editor and distributing them freely with the remake is totally illegal (copyright infrightment).

    About copyrighted names and associated trademarks : the remake should not include any of theses. Using alternative ones should be ok (like SpeedExtreme instead of Wipeout). This is what CorsixTH (aka Theme Hospital) did. And it is just fine (until today).
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    @Hellfire_WZ: I know, I think like @tigrou that basically we'd expect a player to possess the original game files; the project by itself will contain no copyrighted material at all.

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    @tigrou : clearly it's a LOT of work, I know what it takes when it's about programming ... as I said let's see what emerges within a month and maybe one can envision a bit more than an editor/viewer. It's probably irrealistic as a one-man job because of time and social constraints, hence my idea of bringing an incentive starter-kit and making it public in GitHub after. Obviously one can not achieve every aspect of this project, while I think I can personally achieve most of the low-level plumbing it's quite clear to me that help will be needed in regards to physics and testing, for instance.

    Let's positive a bit ! and see if it gets any attention within the next weeks

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    @DIXI200 : sorry forgot to reply ... I hope too, we're a bit far from Da Vinci or corpse dissection though

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    I think like aybe says, one step at a time, see what progress can be made.

    Just about copyright, have a read of this tale of woe about a guy that made a Smurfs fangame for the Amiga using backbone
    http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=76750

    Separately I had a poke around the PC version of Wipeout 2097 and the Amiga version of it last night. They both use the same files apart from some PowerPC loaders required for the Amiga version. The Amiga version was smoother and could be rendered in higher resolution but the data is the same. The PC version has BMP files of the images used, quite easy to view.

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    That's quite ironic from the communist cartoon that the Smurfs is ... one thing though: he ripped things from a 2011 anime which is probably still being sold as a DVD. Lesson learned, it's also wise to not send any money next to an e-mail received online, those companies know that most people would be intimidated this way and might pay right away though they didn't necessarily employ the legal procedure. A legal and safe way is simply to not ship any copyrighted content, period. We live in a world where some people even wants to privatize a free and universal good : water ...

    That said, I had a quick a look at Amiga WOXL files since Alex Power was kind enough to share them, they look pretty identical and I'm not even sure it's in big-endian (haven't checked though). Haven't really done anything on the project today since I was fighting with C# a bit, @tigrou is right but you are too, to exist this thing has to be realized and it's not gonna happen by magic and in one day. I just hope that the initial motivation/passion will not fade away, it's a critical aspect right now for this project to see the light of the day.

    As soon as I've made more progress, I'll see if either the admins here would let me have a dedicated thread or I'll setup a place in my domain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigrou View Post
    @Hellfire_WZ's yes you are right. Anyway, copyright issues can be avoided by forcing players to bring the original data by themselves to play the game (so original CD would be required and remake executable would read data from there directly). If you do it like that you should be fine.
    That may be true but then it’s pretty much what a PSX emulator would do. Having a dedicated software wouldn’t add much (versus an emulator), unless you wanna add new game modes or new ships or things like that, and then enters the topic of alteration of material.

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    Aaaaanyway... back to the topic?

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