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    I too had mixed emotions about the prospect of there being no barrel rolls. After much consideration, I've decided they just don't feel... canonical to me, though, and they never will. As much as I got used to them, I'm actually looking forward to returning to the old WipEout/XL/3 style of play - and if there's no side shift, for that matter... all the better. I was never a fan of side-shift. In any event, a number of posters have pointed out that this is not a WipEout game, strictly speaking. All I hope is that this does not mean that the game engine will be so different as to be unrecognizable - what I mean is I hope the airbrakes still work the same (as yaw). This was one of the original wipeout's distinguishing features back in the day, and the reason I was surprised when they incorporated the side-shift (which is from F-Zero).

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    If I remember right, barrel rolls were put into place when everyone realized that the PSP would only have one set of shoulder buttons, which nixed the idea of reviving Wip3out's HyperThrust System.

    Barrel rolls were what the devs came up with a replacement.

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    For what it is worth, I personally like the idea of rewarding riskier moves. If it isn't barrel rolls, there needs to be some other mechanism in place to reward skilled pilots for making the extra effort. Having perfect racing lines isn't enough for me, and I think that rewarding players simply for having perfect laps isn't enough. Hyperthrust is ok with me because you get a boost at the expense of ship energy.

    While not having what some would consider an "unfair advantage" by being a barrel roll master might appeal to casual gamers, it certainly doesn't have the same appeal to seasoned players. Take Mariokart as an example... It doesn't matter how far you are in first place, you can lose it all in an instant at the last second with the cheap-a$$ blue turtle shell. Being good at the game doesn't matter as much if there is a game breaking weapon that essentially puts everyone on equal terms. There needs to be some type of risk vs reward mechanism to keep Wipeout competitive whether it is a hyperthrust or barrel roll. I personally prefer the roll because it requires skill to use as opposed to just being a risky decision.

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    How about an online algo which matches players of similar skillsets up against eachother instead of a random room to jump in ???

    barrels rolls or no, that is what we NEED.

    As for me, I lurve dem Beeyaaarrrrz. N I lurve me Piranhaz. Me care not whatya-flying, My Fishy always do its dizzy.

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    ^^ was exactly what I was thinking.

    Maybe make it a race option you can set at the lobby. Like check a box for "pilot matching." To that effect, I think an accurate way to be able to ascertain a pilot's skill might be an overall average of race times through various events, or at the very least use completion rate as a method. Although the platinum trophy was particularly difficult to get (and I have 9 now on different accounts) it was still a challenge the first time. There is a huge difference between pilots that earned it and those that have not. If it was an option to enable/disable, it would allow someone to play with anyone of any skill if online participation was scarce at the moment while at the same time would allow for more competitive matchups when there was a larger online presence.

    Also, the ranking system is horribly broken as is. I would hate to see the current ranking system dictate what accounted for "skill." I also have respect to novice pilots that want to take on seasoned veterans, so I think that if you wanted to you could join a game out of you abilities that should be allowed, but maybe have a warning pop up instead. There really isn't a perfect solution, but pilot matching is something I'm on board with.

    I'd rather see them get rid of Eliminator over barrel rolls any day.

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    @ terra & mannjon: pilot matching system won't work, because of the simple fact that not enough players will be present. look at 2048 and its matchmaking system, it's bullshit at best. if they simply copy the online system of wipeout HD, it would be the best option to go with. don't change a winning team, said some very smart person.

    btt: i love barrel rolls (obviously), no BRs = no purchase for me. bigsnake made a very promising approach in his Ballistic NG game. he added Hyperthrust from W3, added BRs from WHD & added Turbo from the whole series. it works really well so far. my2cents
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    Oh JF you are the best! Your name says it all. After I made that post, I cracked out on WOHD and came to the same conclusion: I can't live without my BR's. It serves as a mechanism to separate different tiers of pilots. There just isn't another way to make it "fair" for the pilots that aren't on the same level. You either make things unfair to veterans by taking away barrel rolls or make it unfair to new pilots by having that gap in experience. New pilots can always get better, and they only get better by racing better pilots, so ultimately I would have to say it is more fair to keep those elements in the game than to take them away.

    Now the hyperthrust is an interesting gamble I would like to see in addition to barrel rolls. You can thrust to get away from a missile, or chose to barrel roll later. It adds a bit of strategic defensive play to the mix that would make for more of a technical approach to racing.

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    You may be right there JF, I only sampled 2048 when I met Mdhay (remember him?) last month for an hour. I didn't like the vita controls, couldn't get used to it but it looked amazing. I didn't play online coz we were sat in a subway sandwich shop lol. Cool guy is our mdhay. legend.

    I didn't know 2048 had a pilot matching system to be honest. And yeah you may be right, the game is kinda for die hard fans of the franchise.

    Mannjon, the ultimate mix of BR X Hyperthrust X turbo sound interesting AND complicated, I believe I could like it very much. So sad to see no BR's in Formula Fusion, but I guess the devs are trying to keep the game as realistic as it can be, simulator like...

    ...speaking of which, I now have a beasty computer.

    i7 4790k processor 4Gh.z - with an after market processor cooler (it's sick)
    32 GB DDR3 ram
    NVidia GE Force GTX970 GFX card
    500 GB samsung solid state HDD + 2TB seagate

    running win7 ultimate edition makes use of all the ram. Windows index of 7.8 out of 7.9.

    So yeah, I'll be getting FF for it, it will run like a dream

    EXCITED!!!

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    whoa, what's the price of such a beasty machine? 32gb ram sounds really fast. i have a 1gb ram machine from04 (was the fastest notebook back in the days, 1400euros). nowadays it's barely fast enough to run my internet browser
    i really need a quantum computer, or at least lightspeed computer with anti matter battery energy supply
    Last edited by JFthebestJan; 10th July 2015 at 11:42 PM.

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    I are jealous to say the least. I've got a Windows 7 laptop dual core processor that when I fun firefox can occupy almost 75% of a core. I can't even play Dirt 2 on it with maximum settings. I'd like to barrel roll my computer into the trash for a new one. Ok, not really, but to keep with the thread ^_^

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