View Poll Results: Remove ALL FEISAR Prototype Scores from the Speed Lap Leaderboards?

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Thread: Removal of FEISAR Prototype (Speed Lap) scores

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    That is what it means. I see where you're coming from, but the problem for me is where do you draw the line? Initially I was thinking along the lines of removing all FEISAR prototype times down the the first one that isn't a FEISAR prototype. But then what if that one time is followed by another load of exploited times? It's impossible to tell an exploited time from a legit time with this ship and I don't believe exploited times should have any place on the boards, as they take the place of someone who deserves to be there by legitimate means, even if this is outside the top 8. It does unfortunately mean taking off legit times, but at the end of the day they can be repeated.

    Quote Originally Posted by hunterx848 View Post
    ...But I had no idea its an exploit... can someone explain please?
    As it's been fixed I may as well explain it for those of you who don't know. Before it was fixed, crossing the line for the first time at the start of a SL or TT event did not count as a new lap. Because of this, people were turning round and filling up the speed meter on the FEISAR prototype before starting. As the meter did not reset, they could run the first lap at full speed.
    Last edited by Hellfire_WZ; 28th June 2012 at 08:45 PM.

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    My feeling too, i own a legit record on metro park time trial A without the glitch, followed by soa booney still legit and several known glitchers, we all used feisar prototype, so my point is rid them all (legit & unlegit), it's more simple.
    Last edited by leungbok; 28th June 2012 at 08:33 PM.

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    yeah I by no means assume or think that everyone will share my point of view in fact I'm wavering a bit myself but yeah whatever happens happens. I'm just happy SL are paying attention to the boards, seemingly as much as the players are.

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    I'm just happy SL are paying attention to the boards, seemingly as much as the players are.
    Same, I think this is pretty fantastic to communicate here sometimes, welcome!

    Also I would agree with removing all of them if they can't be distinguished from legit times. This is unfortunate for the legit players but I think a lot will agree with hellfire, leungbok etc that it will be worth having them cleaned from the boards.* I was put off seeing the ship everywhere and was pretty suspicious but never knew about the exploit. Thanks for the explanation Hellfire clears a lot up!

    *it will be fair to the rest you know, gives everyone more of a chance to get decent and legit times. The ship is quite a tough one but hell if you are a fan you can do it again! Might appreciate the bump on all the other times too hah - may be a bit biased as I didn't use the ship very much - and if there was no other "total time" info being sent in those leader board stats it would be impossible to distinguish I think.
    Last edited by mangaroo; 28th June 2012 at 09:10 PM.

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    it bothers me that all Feisar prototype scores be deleted . I have several legitimate scores with this ship and I spent a lot of time. The only circuit in A + which the Feisar prototype is useful is capital reach, my time is legitimate and that of mad-ice too. So I ask you not to delete Feisar prototype scores in A +. But I find it really unfair that legitimate time is erased because of cheaters. Some people haven't time to remake scores that they already spent a lot of time ...

    Moreover, there is a glitch on metro park. In A+ class Airrionsmith did 17.10 while the world record is 33.68 ...

    thank you for asking our opinion
    Last edited by HunterGreg8; 28th June 2012 at 10:51 PM.

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    Cheaters have already destroyed all Feisar Prototype entrys in the record lists because legit times and cheater times can not be told apart. I vote yes to delete all Feisar Prototype entrys in Speedlap and Time Trial and start fresh. Top players can always remake or improve their entrys.

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    They can do it again, but do they have time for that?
    It's easy to say "they can do it again" but for example I would not have time to redo them. Because of my studies, from September it will be a difficult year for me. All I ask is not to erase the scores Feisar Prototype A +.

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    Just to see his name on top of the rankings don't justify to keep the leaderboards with glitched times. Everybody knows your skills, but for those that can't make a WR but maybe can reach a top 8 time, it's necessary to rid off the glitchers !!

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    We can do a data base with our legit times with these ship for our information, but I think it's important for entire community, not only hard fans.

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    Sorry, voted no, but meant yes, delete them. However, almost every time on A + will be dominated by the ag sys speed, which is the easiest to control ship, but the fastest overall. Even on the easiest course, the fastest rated ship with the hardest to control steeringpiranha speed doesn't stand a chance, even if piloted perfectly.

    A couple solutions:

    You could always just add a 2% speed boost to all ships on all speeds, and that would take care of the glitches times, old records that were added would still be beaten by the increased speed on the ships, and people wouldn't be able to restart their system to get the faster glitches races for records, then join again with new glitches times. The 2% boost would only be downloadable after logging on, so you would not be able to use the original game without the glitch fix download.

    Add a turbo to each lap. This would give the neccessary speed to beat any glitches times, and give some more of the classic play. Also, once the turbo fix is downloaded, there would be no way to use the glitch of the original game

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