Will you buy the coming DLC?

[Colonel]

It's a double edged sword. I wouldn't buy DLC for 2048 at the moment because I've barely touched the game in weeks. And the reason I'm not playing it is because of the lack of replay value i.e. no Racebox and severely limited Online functions.

Make the game whole by including the options that should have been there in the first place. Then I'd start playing again and would probably buy the DLC too. I can imagine many players feel pretty similarly.

[stin]

Colonel, you`re right, but, luckily, I`m still play alot atm.

Now, I just decided to get DLC but I will be really disappionted if Racebox is not on after that.

stevie

[xtriko]

Im gonna get it for sure, but my respect and support for the devs will go severly down. But i still have Hope

[amplificated]

Don't think so. The more I play 2048, the less I like its handling, I abhor the general direction the game went in, and all I hear regarding its many faults is that they aren't going to be fixed.

I might do an SL challenge every now and then, but really - the game just isn't worth any more of my time than that, IMO. DLC is just going to be another slice of sub-par undercooked raisin cake. They didn't even consider chocolate, the bastards.*

*forgive me if my silly metaphors are lost on you.

[Colonel]

The more I play 2048, the less I like its handling

Sadly I agree with you. It just feels too loose, the ship swings about everywhere and feels too hard to control. Since I've got back into HD again (the break I took was only about a month) the handling is a pleasure; it's firm and direct, and the ship does what you tell it to almost immediately.

Thinking about it, I might sell my Vita. Somebody's offered me £170 for it, and at the moment it's an expensive paperweight

[leungbok]

It just feels too loose, the ship swings about everywhere and feels too hard to control. Since I've got back into HD again (the break I took was only about a month) the handling is a pleasure; it's firm and direct, and the ship does what you tell it to almost immediately(

It's exactly what i'm now bored with HD ! 2048, even if it used the BRs and sideshift went back at the original wipeout's handling (not perfectly but closest than pulse and HD). HD's ships turns too much like a car without wheels. I like the fact that you really have to anticipate more and be more subtle on the steering on 2048. Pulse was fast and the track's paths were very difficult to race but the handling was too much responsive IMO, pure's handling is more floaty, more "wipeoutish" but the game is too slow for my taste (still an awesome game and i love it like pulse). HD was a compromise between both for the handling and was (is) the game to play to meet other pilots online. 2048's is better to me, handling difficult to master and awesome speed, the sort of challenge any wipeout fan should appreciate ! And about that, Colonel, you should insist to master A+ class and all track's paths on 2048, you'll become a damn good wiper, and HD will appear too much easy to race for you in few weeks !

@Amp, i thought the game's handling was perfect for you since you beated zico on first lap !!

[Colonel]

It's a fair point leung, and I value your opinion. I just haven't fallen in love with 2048 like I did with HD. When I first played HD I was hooked within hours, I've played 2048 quite a bit for some weeks now and it hasn't had anything like the effect.

Part of it is the handling I guess, part is the lack of options (especially online), but I think a lot of it is that I'm just not arsed about sitting with my headphones on looking at a 5" screen. In my living room I've got a 40" HDTV, a surround sound system and a very comfortable sofa. Those things combined make playing HD an absolute joy, even when drunk or hungover (which is often). Add to that the difference between the Vita's controls and the ergonomic heaven of the DS3 and I'm not fussed about 2048 anymore to be honest.

Sorry, I know I've gone miles off topic, can't help rambling sometimes.

[amplificated]

haha... I think that I beat Zico on my first lap is more a sign of failure on part of the devs to understand what they were even doing in making the game, rather than me being good at it. Of course the new ship physics not being as pronounced or are more easily manageable on C class could also help explain that.

It really just seems that you control the nose of the ship and then the rest of the body swings around like dead weight, and I think it feels cheap, uninteresting, and that those controls just don't feel right for a ship. It sure makes things difficult as the speed increases, but for me there's just nothing to gain from getting better. I don't like the game that much.

Maybe it's just coming from HD, but I feel that I already know 90% of what to do on the tracks, and it's just a matter of getting lucky with the controls after fighting against dodgy ship and track physics to get "that lap". I rarely get that feeling with HD, it feels like it's all up to me to get the controls right (most of the time, anyway).

I wouldn't say I'm just into HD's commonly-referred-to-as--supposedly-"easymode"-controls, either... I've put some time into WO3, and while not enough to get good at it I can still see the how mastering the game, especially at high speeds, would be fun. I can't say the same thing about 2048.

/offtopic

[mangaroo]

At times I've felt both of what leungbok and colonel_gadaffi have felt about the game (and already know JabberJaw's* position in the handling spectrum). I think part of it seems to be how you feel about the console and its capabilities at the time as well and how you sell it to yourself. Wipeout is a great game and if you try to, you'll enjoy it. 2048 has the quality and the challenge in the handling, as leung pointed out, for a fan to delve into and I think with some time and effort you'll find a ship or two whose handling you appreciate. Online is whole other issue and I think that is what is upsetting most people - what's the point of DLC if we can't enjoy the online in the long-run, once we've mastered the single player (I'm no where near) and are looking for a specific multiplayer battle challenge.
Can't say I feel the same amp about it being not fun to master. Regarding more airy physics I feel it adds more to consider while driving at high speeds which is a pretty awesome feeling, never felt more like a pilot - and have to agree and cite leung again with the car without wheels description for hd - which is fun too, but different. Controlling the nose (or...neck it feels) makes me feel like "threading the needle" even more really and wouldn't think of it as cheap/arcade - although a little especially at higher speeds, also makes first person view more useable. I feel it also compensates for the wider-tracks and airy-ness as well. Is there a ship that you particularly hate or like? I feel the feisar is the most nose-following ship of them and it isn't my favourite really due to all the swinging. Still waiting to reach level 41 for the last speed ship...may have to boot up multiplayer some more for those elite bonuses but a mix of the other ships is fun and varied enough for me.

HD/fury has the fps, control/feedback and the online pairing to be a worthy alternative and it is nice to have options but everyone wants their own handling preferences in the newest wipeout (not to mention the portability and the graphics of the vita are pretty awesome). There are always older titles that you can fire up for something different on the vita (pure/pulse, hopefully emulate some of the PSone games in the future) and newer titles to look forward to as well so hopefully we can stay positive I'm still not convinced that we won't see a racebox, unless I've missed something. If we do get it then things won't be so bad at all imo. Especially if the DLC is going to be new tracks but I wouldn't be surprised if the first set was just the rest the of cross-play tracks they were talking about in the playstation interview.

*PS JJ- still haven't gotten around to doing the grip mod, all those screws look really daunting to put back but can't wait to get to it this weekend as I really want it done, hope it goes smoothly...still can't imagine it locking properly after I put it back together but will re-read your instructions carefully, thanks again!

/results from a night of sleeplessness.

[newtype]

I doubt I'll buy 2048, let alone the DLC, until they add Racebox and actual racing online play. Until then, SL and Sony won't get another dime from me.

The sales do seem weak for such a title, but if this is how they are going to continue making games, then perhaps it's time they went away. First KZ3, now 2048 - these Playstation exclusives are being used as vehicles to push Sony technologies rather than being great games in and of themselves.

[MENGKESHI]

I agree with Leungbok. The speed is awesome and imo the handling in my opinion is a nice balance between old school racing lines + speed pads and more recent barrel rolls. To make it perfect for me, the handling could be [I]slightly[I] more floaty, maybe somewhere in between this and HD. You definitely feel the horizontal momentum the ships build up in this game and imo there is indeed more emphasis on handling the track at high speed than finding BR in random places. If they don't release any racebox it will be a massive shame (although personally I still have a lot to learn in this game and prefer speedlapping anyway). I probably will buy DLC, although I do totally understand the frustration of players who prefer racing online.

[Rapier Racer]

As of 2 days ago I can no longer progress past the intro movie without the game throwing up some jibberish error message then closing down every time. So, at present, no, seeing as I can't currently play the content I have already paid for...why do i get the feeling I'm going to loose game progress since my last save data backup to get things running again...

It will most certainly be interesting to see how playable any new content is considering the number of errors, crashes and instability 2048 seems to have. I hope the new DLC works nice, and doesn’t cause anymore problems.

[mangaroo]

That is really strange, I would send them a message (unfortunately over at Facebook.com/wipeout204 else I would backup the game and attempt to restore it (or just the save file) and download it again if it is digital..

On the topic of DLC, do you think they would be able to add ships that change the feeling significantly, as DLC? I would love to have a ship with the physics of van uber from wipeout pure...still so fun to race with. TBH any ship that would simulate the experience in pure would be amazing to have.. I know the tracks are different now but still, l I know I'd enjoy it and so would lots of others. Maybe a HD/pulse style ship for the other end of the spectrum as well. If it was possible I'm sure they'd be popular.

Also, just 10 tracks...really could use some more, especially since no reverses as well.

[Dusk118]

I don't need to buy it. I could already get it for free if I only had a Vita with 2048.

[mangaroo]

You mean because you have wipeout HD, you'd get the cross play dlc for free like they mentioned earlier, right?

Are we expecting the DLC to be only the rest of the cross-play maps?

They could have had natural landscapes (I'm sure they could find somewhere for the glass floors) as well as the city maps they made to reflect the early stages of the league's development/funding. Or like different temperatures or weather at least..these similar maps take their toll. Even Altima...feels a little like the other city maps, probably the long grey road, wish it mixed in a dirt road or something. Sol and to a lesser extent metro park and subway are what really mix it up for me. I'd buy any tracks really . Although I'd feel gutted if it was another city map. We should expect reverses at least right? Seems like a waste not to have them.

Hopefully if it is just the cross-play maps initially like they were talking about in the interview a while back, the other dlc will follow it. They mentioned announcing details about the DLC in a few weeks on their Facebook page.

[duncandes]

Anybody knows if I have wipeout hd/fury on blueray cd I get dlc HD for vita for free to ?

[mangaroo]

It's a good question, I'd be worried that you won't be getting it but SL are smart...maybe they sorted it somehow by trophies or another way but seems unlikely - of course just speculation, worth asking at Facebook.com/wipeout2048 via private message

[duncandes]

Will try. I post here if I get an answer. Thx

[Hellfire_WZ]

The whole thing is just speculation at the moment, nothing that anyone has heard so far with regards to the HD content has been officially announced. You'll need to wait until it is before you can get an answer

[duncandes]

I have the answer. Nothing concrete.

"There will be an official announcement via Facebook and Twitter concerning content and prices in the next few weeks. cheers"