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Last edited by Jav; 26th September 2010 at 06:07 PM. Reason: Peace out (:
Hey guys, no need to fire any weapons there, as challenger misunderstood your post Jav. You guys are both zone battles player, so everything’s good!
Reading your posts guys, maybe we could go on with the obligation to pick at least one race in your 3 choices (so a limitation of 2 zone battles). Let me know guys if you’re ok with that, or if we’re staying with 3 choices without any restrictions.
Ah R3BU5ER, green lol. Well, we had lots of heated discussions on that matter recently, and as far as I know, every pilot who tried this custom setting had lots of fun. As you’re constantly absorbing the weapons, you’re quickly ending with a turbo, so I believe it’s a fair setting. The difference during green races are made with the use of turbo at strategic points IMO. Anyway, feel free to share your thoughts about that too with us here.
I'll play, count me in.
Received a PSN Message from R3BU5ER, you can count me in.
Apologies to Jav - I didn't understand you. I meant no offence.
And apologies to you, for overreacting. Looking back at it, a simple "I think you misunderstood me, check my other post" would've done the job.
Well Kanar, I understand what you are saying, but exactly the same can be said About Ã* normal single race. Only then, the competitors have the choise to shoot the boost-picker with Ã* missile, rockets, quake or whatever. I have nothing against the green league at all, I Just don't think it's suitable for Ã* important competition like this. On the second hand i bet there are competitors
That aren't even familiar with the green concept, I think the green league should stay on itself en shouldn't be integrated in Ã* tourey like this. No offence, Just my 2 cents.
I guess ill be training anulpha rapier and some ZB then
Also i'd like to credit R3BU5ER for getting me into all this, i think ill forgive him
Just got a PSN message from ONlocke. Count me in.
Lol Jan, I'm glad I have Ã* Dutch homie to practice some online rampage with. I was getting Ã* little loneley between all the French, German and English No...really glad you joined ouwe!
R3BU5ER that's cool, and that's nice to share our thoughts on that matter Tbh, I'm pretty sure green races won't be the favourite choice during this cup. Most of the people are even not aware about this custom mode lol. So it's not a big deal IMO. Mate maybe we should play some green races together lol, so you could see by yourself it's a fair way to race too. Just imagine a set of rocket in your ass, or a respawn. So a single boost late in green race sounds pretty fair compared to that eh?
ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS :
-Total free choice or restriction to 2 ZB max for each opponent
-Green or not Green
these are the questions atm lol.
The Wipeout HD cup
"For the record"
ALL INFOS/RESERVATIONS HERE
Last edited by kanar; 26th September 2010 at 07:23 PM.
Green races - I'm not completely against or completely for it, as I don't have enough experience with it. Maybe some practice green races with two players could be done as an experiment. It might be quite different in only a two player race compared to a fuller room. I've only done them in half full rooms ages ago but if I didn't get a boost it did feel like a massive let down sometimes. I felt quite reliant on it as my one way to have a chance. I don't think it's a less fair way to do it, as both competitors are exposed to the same level of chance, but I think in general people would feel it was less fair.
You could take separate polls on these things. But really you'd want a poll of the participants and not just a normal open poll.
As for the zone battle thing - you could just say that both players have to pick at least two different modes. That way no-one could pick three normal weapons on single races either. It might feel a little less like it was against zone battle that way, and guarantees at least a little variation in every match, which is probably a good idea if it's aimed at the best all around player, because they could otherwise get a route through the tournament where they only ever played weps on races, just by chance.
Mmm. I think we can definitely go with that. By modes, you mean single race weapons, single race no weapons, and zone battle, right? If you guys are ok, we'll validate this.
As for green races, let's say it's pending status for now, and still open for further discussions. As we're 2 on the track, IMO I believe turbo item won't be an issue. But as I said, I'm really open to any point of view. Try it & report any issue with it.
Ey that's smart thinking there saturn, I think that solves everything.
Just at least 2 different races, for example 1: no wep 2: no wep 3:wep, ZB, or (green)....right.? I'm totally in
Yes guys, that's exactly what I meant. I suppose the question is then only whether endurance is a mode and what it is defined as. At the moment I think number of laps is free choice, but if endurance were to be considered a separate mode then the minimum number of laps would have to be defined, or we would maybe have to say that number of laps doesn't make something a different mode.
EDIT: I suppose it's also worth considering whether a different speed class would count as a different 'mode'. I think maybe it should, because it's difficult to be a specialist of all speed classes and introduces variation as well. If so then perhaps a statement such as, "Each player has the choice of settings for three races. Of these three races, no more than two may have identical settings." Then you could define what the settings would be, e.g. single race, zone battle, weapons on/off, barrel rolls on/off, 5 laps (standard race), 15 - 20 laps (endurance race), speed class etc....Something like that.
Last edited by SaturnReturn; 26th September 2010 at 10:31 PM. Reason: .
Oh yeah... Also that! I was assuming that would be 5 anyway...
I forgot Kanar, I suppose ur right About not many people choosing for green, got Ã* point there!
But I still think it's questionable
Not my choise though good night guys
Last edited by R3BU5ER; 26th September 2010 at 10:34 PM. Reason: Forgot stuff
I think if you have too many choices it's going to complicate things unnecessarily, especially with so many pilots racing.
The format really needs to be set in stone before any further promotion is begun, and only to use the options that are available when selecting tracks on the online board, so for me Green Races should be out only because it is not a standard type of race selection known by everybody.
My suggestion is each player has to pick and host a track for one weapon on [any speed], one weapon off [any speed] and one zone battle track [the organizing committee should decide a fair max number of zones, as this mode is rarely played by most]
Only if neither pilots want to play zone battle, then they each get to replace what would of been zone battle with a 3rd choice of track/class/weapon on or off.
This should give a fair representation of any particular pilots skills, as it gives them the best options to select what they feel comfortable with, as we all know some specialize at specific speed classes, and make themselves equally as worthy as elite phantom pilots, and just as hard to beat.
The 7th track remains the same Rapier/ Weapons on/ Anulpa Forward.
What you want to do if pilot assist is asked for, I say let them use it if they want to, as we old timers know it slows you down, so it's not really going to be an advantage to anybody that needs it.
Last edited by blackwiggle; 27th September 2010 at 01:22 AM.
ohh yea you know im in
ill fly till they ship can fly any more or there isnt enough bood pulsing through me to hit the accelerator
I think going from allowing 3 ZBs to allowing just 1 is a bit radical. If 2 of 3 races are going to have to be single races, 5 of 7 plays will be single races. The better single racer has a huge chance of winning that.
Here's what I suggest. You basically only have 2 options:
Racer set-up
Single Race - Weapons ON - Track A
Single Race - Weapons OFF - Track B
Zone Battle - Track C
or
Zoner set-up
Single Race - Weapons ON/OFF - Track A
Zone Battle - Track B
Zone Battle - Track C
Let's go through all 3 possible match-ups:
Racer vs. Racer
You will have 5 single races and 2 zone battles. That's fair, I think, since it's a racer vs. racer match-up. The mode they both like most is played 5 out of 7 times, but they do need to show a bit of their Zone skills in the remaining 2. Well balanced, no?
Racer vs. Zoner
In this one you get 3 zone battles and 3 races during regular play. Then if it is undecided, the game goes to a deciding race on Anulpha Pass. Still, Anulpha Pass isn't a particularly hard track (in fact, the easiest) and I'm sure every Zoner knows their way around Anulpha. So if it should end 3-3 it will be a pretty fair deciding race.
Zoner vs. Zoner
Here we have 4 zone battles and 2 races during regular play. Meaning the zoners can play their beloved game mode but they do need to play at least 2, and if it is then still undecided, 3 single races.
Every 'set-up' needs to contain 3 different tracks [A, B, C]. Player 1's choice of tracks is irrelevant to player 2's choices. This means player 2 can also pick [A, B, C] if he wants to. But a combination [A, C, E] or 3 whole new tracks [D, E, F] is of course allowed. The ONLY condition is that every player picks 3 different tracks.
A player is not stuck to the 'pack' for the whole tournament. Rather, the player chooses the set-up he wants for that particular match. This means you can switch between Racer and Zoner during the tournament. Of course, you're not stuck to the tracks you choose either.
Finally, indeed, this means that players who do not have Fury cannot participate. But I think there's no other way. If the non-Fury players were to be allowed into the tourny, there would be match-ups in which solely single races are played, and no ZBs at all. Sorry, but I'm sure we all want a bit of diversity. 7 single races is simply too tedious.
In that case, because of the exclusion of the non-Fury pilots, I think we should aim for 128 players.
Feel free to comment on this proposal...
Last edited by Jav; 27th September 2010 at 02:54 AM.
I understand what you are trying to say Jav, but truly, I do not see the point, so let me get this straight:
Old rules:
Racer Vs Racer: 7 single races <---------- (If they really want to)
Zoner Vs Zoner: 6 zone battles and 1 single race <---------- (Again, if they really want to)
Racer Vs Zoner: 4 single races and 3 zone battles
Your rules:
Racer Vs Racer: 5 single races and 2 zone battles <---------- (If these guys want to play 7 single races, why shouldn't they be able to?)
Zoner Vs Zoner: 3 single races and 4 zone battles <---------- (If these guys want to play 6 zone battles and 1 single race, why shouldn't they be able to?)
Racer Vs Zoner: 4 single races and 3 zone battles <---------- (See any similarity with the old rules?)
If I understood your rules correctly, this is what I get.
As I said, I understand what you are trying to do, but it just doesn't work for me. The result of doing it your way would simply be; to force diversity into other peoples games, when they can have more fun by deciding what to play themselves.
Only good thing I see from it, is that the racers would get some much needed zone battle practice.
Just my 5 cents.