View Poll Results: What do you think should be done with the GREEN league?

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  • make all GREEN races 6 laps to avoid messing up leaderboards.

    7 15.91%
  • Close it down

    3 6.82%
  • Leave the GREEN league as it is

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Thread: GREEN League : the bane of wipEout?

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    Default GREEN League : the bane of wipEout?

    Is the GREEN League a fair racing league? Not in my book!

    Any race where all weapons are absorbed except for the GREEN weapons (autopilot / turbo /shield) is unfair - because the there is no chance of slowing down the opposition, or getting shot/bombed - and a very minute chance of blowing up and an unfairly increased chance of getting much much better times (even record times)... This is not wipEout as it was intended and leads to comporomised leaderboards times... We all want more people to play wipEout right? well they'll just give up after a week when they realise that the top times were impossible to achieve and be put off from the game forever - I've had a few complaints about it myself!

    We've had problems on WZ before regarding unfairly achieved times, take the Pulse era when CFW and Jaytech were the bane of the format, everyone caused an uproar back then - I rememeber it clearly! This is no different - in fact it is worse, because it is not just an individual but an entire league of pilots who are involved.

    Did you guys not think that this GREEN league will lead to controversy?

    47 posts were deleted from a precious thread created by OBH, because they were deemed off topic by SaturnReturn.

    I invite you all here to express your opinions on the fairness of the GREEN league, what options we have to make it fair, etc...

    There's also a poll option, please use it!

    EDIT: I voted "make it 6 laps"
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    Ace, Buddy, you know I like you and I respect you... I can't forget the time we were racing almost every evening on Pulse! Buuuuttt, I could copy and paste my beloved post from yesterday... but I'm not pissed off anymore, and don't want to fight with you mate

    Let's take the wise idea expressed by MSSA :
    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmadSmartAlex
    In terms of "fairness", how are these "green races" any different to just playing a normal race against one random beginner to try for a record? After the first few seconds, it's basically the same thing...
    Think about it, when Yeldar (sorry mate, it's not against you, I choose you 'cause you're the fastest... I'd really prefer put my nickname instead ) is racing with average pilots, like me (unfortunately) ... after 5 seconds I don't see him anymore, he has all the weapon pads, I can't shoot at him... it's wide open for a WR.

    From yesterday's post : I really appreciate the idea of Ace3Cube, he proposed the Green League, forced nobody to join (even if we tried to recruit Pirhapac). The goal is to have a new experience with Wipeout (which is getting old... yeah, deal with it). And then some people complain AGAIN with the ranking board.
    Please remember that Wipeout is a GAME... the goal is to get FUN while PLAYING.

    For what it takes, I like GL and I'm not an Icaras player (well occasionaly but I'm even faster with my Ag-S). If you wonder why, it's not for ranking, it's not for times, but for two reasons :
    - a different experience, it's good to change sometime
    - I'm always last, so eating tons of mines and bombs... and this is sssssssssssssoooooooo frustrating !!!!! With GL, I'm still last but at least I can race properly!

    PS : I don't put back the funny images, this could lead to off topic.

    PS 2 : please please please Jasmin, do not write "Icarus" again, I'm about to cry each time I see that? (ps : Icaras)

    EDIT : of course, I vote to leave GL in peace man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temet View Post
    Think about it, when Yeldar (sorry mate, it's not against you, I choose you 'cause you're the fastest... I'd really prefer put my nickname instead ) is racing with average pilots, like me (unfortunately) ... after 5 seconds I don't see him anymore, he has all the weapon pads, I can't shoot at him... it's wide open for a WR.
    This.

    Why do you get so worked up about leaderboards? They have been misleading at best since pretty much always and we all should have a pretty clear idea on what level we are just by racing each other. We don't need leaderboards for that. On any given sunday, the top 50 players will beat each other no matter who is placed where at the leaderboards.

    If you're afraid the poor, poor newcomers are being scared off by silly MP times, how do you think they'll react when they fire up SL/TT? Even discounting all the bogus laps/TTs how is a newcomer ever going to beat a yeldar/pirha/whoever TT? I think you give the unwashed masses way to little credit - if they think the game is fun for them, they'll play and, maybe, eventually end up here.

    I'm average at the best of times, but still keep coming back to WOHD, simply because I think its fun. Maybe I'm being naive, but I like to think that's why most of us play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACE-FLO View Post
    unfair - because the there is no chance of slowing down the opposition
    I guess you should improve your own time. Not slow down the opposition. Be faster.

    And there's also a strategy which isn't in TT & SL. I mean, speedpad or pick up... Stealing pick up for the contenders... Passing other players on first lap with speed pads...

    I think personally that we must be more involved in the strategy when we play Green League that classic races ; because of quakes etc...

    One error and you're down. > Most of players refuse that, because the skills aren't here.

    I agree, the first lap is the most important. And when there are eight players, it could be difficult to win when you're last on the departure lougne.

    But when you're four as at the last green league, there's no problem.

    I see best players win Green Races. So... ? What's wrong ?

    Best players win. The others lose. Accept it. Do not cry.



    P.S.: The 'you' isn't for you Ace-Flo, of course. It's for everyone.

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    If I want " comporomised leaderboards times " as few ppl say, I got a better idea [but i think some pilots make it times ago] ==> I take one friend, put invit only and here we go ! I'm alone to race and i try to kick ass !
    I stay away at the moment and i " lol "

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    In the thread OBH created there where heaps of points brought up. Bullshit that 47 posts where deleted, most of them where on topic and related to Icaras pilots out there since alot of them are Green League racers. The only off topic items on that thread where the funny picture Temet and I posted on the thread. All in all the posts that where deleted by Chris Harvey / SaturnReturn brought up some good points. Like the record tables being wrecked since the game is being played in a manner that it wasnt suppose to. Like i said before in the posts that where deleted the record times acquired in Green League races stand out like oil on water. Green League race acquired records need to be in a record table of there own so not to get confused over legit records acquired in online races.

    Points brought up like doing 6lap races over 5lap races so the records are not merged is a start. But really those records are a cheap way to get your name recognized in the game, those records need to be in a table of there own then all will be good. As Temet said "that Wipeout is a GAME... the goal is to get FUN while PLAYING." which pretty much how the game should be recognized but the creation of the Green League has brought up some points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIGO1987 View Post
    All in all the posts that where deleted by Chris Harvey / SaturnReturn brought up some good points.
    Please call me SaturnReturn. Until you posted my full name a lot of people didn't know it. I don't have an issue with it if they do, but I think it's my choice whether people know my full name or not.
    Thanks

    On topic - I think it's up to individuals how they play the game. I don't really like green races that much because I feel it becomes all about the turbo. But I find the best solution to that, for me at least, is to just not play green races. It's worked out pretty well so far. So I voted 'not bothered'.

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    It might of been brought up already as I have not read all of this, but if people really want to race without weapons ruining the game why don't they race with weapons turned off - job sorted! I know it sounds out there, but you never know it might just catch on

    If I could be bothered I would vote for 'not bothered'

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    People found out about your name when you became moderator here late last year, not sure what thread it was on. But i can refer to you as just SaturnReturn, SR, or just Chris minus the full name if you like me too.

    That is a bloody good point KGB acutally. But the damage has been done on the record tables and there isnt much of a Studio Liverpool to clean it up like they did back when they where at full staff power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace3cube View Post
    If I want " comporomised leaderboards times " as few ppl say, I got a better idea [but i think some pilots make it times ago] ==> I take one friend, put invit only and here we go ! I'm alone to race and i try to kick ass !
    I stay away at the moment and i " lol "
    100% ditto

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